Canada's health care collapsing...not sustainable says doctors

Don't forget that it is the governments that make the changes, not the doctors. And also remember that each province has a different health care system than the other. :)
 
I was going to say that each province has a different system, Loghead. Which province in Canada has the best health care system now? I understand that no health system is perfect.

topic off- Anyway, we recently were discussing swine flu concerns, because the fall and winter seasons are coming. I'm told his gal friend works for the ministry of health in Vancouver, BC. When they get the vaccine in October, it will be served to health personnel first. She was shocked that the number of nurses who refused it saying, "I'll never get it. I am healthy." She also said that they ran out of masks to wear while administering the vaccine last winter, and there is already a shortage of masks this year.

I thought you Canucks might want to know what's going on in BC, because I don't want you guys to catch swine flu from nurses.
 
Oh, we both posted it at the same time. Oh, never mind...
 
Kokonut, the article does not support your statement. Did you read the whole article?
 
Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press
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Not a myth. Sorry guys. If they are sending patients across the border to Detroit hospitals and such then something's not right in Canada.
 
kokonut said:
Not a myth. Sorry guys. If they are sending patients across the border to Detroit hospitals and such then something's not right in Canada.
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funny thing is... Americans get medications from Canada or travel to Canada to get medication... I guess something's not right in USA either :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
funny thing is... Americans get medications from Canada or travel to Canada to get medication... I guess something's not right in USA either :dunno:
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For Rx meds, right?

Maybe each thinks the grass is greener on the other side? :hmm:
 
Jiro said:
funny thing is... Americans get medications from Canada or travel to Canada to get medication... I guess something's not right in USA either :dunno:
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where did you get the ideas?? just curious. If someone who have no health insurances and go to canada which makes sense to me. :dunno:
 
Urgh...

Stop dragging our healthcare into this. It's not the same thing and our problems with the healthcare is different than the problems Americans are facing. For the most part, people are content with our universal healthcare. The only ones that are not are the ones who are either impatient or they have a rare disorder.

That's the problem with anything universal-- it works great if everyone faces the same problem. However on the flip-side, privatization also has it flaws in that not everyone is included at the most basic level.

Why I get the feeling it is not really about Canada healthcare, but rather "Obamacare" that Republicans are so adamant about?
 
My friends in Canada are very happy with their health care. I'm sure that there are problems because there are problems in any system. This article says that doctors are working to improve the system. The article does not a support your position.
 
souggy said:
Urgh...

Stop dragging our healthcare into this. It's not the same thing and our problems with the healthcare is different than the problems Americans are facing. For the most part, people are content with our universal healthcare. The only ones that are not are the ones who are either impatient or they have a rare disorder.

That's the problem with anything universal-- it works great if everyone faces the same problem. However on the flip-side, privatization also has it flaws in that not everyone is included at the most basic level.

Why I get the feeling it is not really about Canada healthcare, but rather "Obamacare" that Republicans are so adamant about?
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You are probably right on that assumption. Got the same feeling too. :D
 
Universal health care is simply not sustainable, it leads to more and more rationing. What Canada's experierencing right now is a lesson for us to learn and heed the dangers of such folly attempt here in the states.
 
kokonut said:
Universal health care is simply not sustainable, it leads to more and more rationing. What Canada's experierencing right now is a lesson for us to learn and heed the dangers of such folly attempt here in the states.
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You have no idea how much we pay in taxes, do you? Every time I buy a consumer good, I have to pay 15% in tax, not including all the little add-ons that vary from product to product like gas tax, environmental tax (if I decide to buy beverages), sin taxes and so on. That is not including the prenenium I have to pay with every paycheck, and the mandatory investment into our employment insurance that come out of my paychecks.

Obamacare is not the same model as the Canadian healthcare system. The problems we are facing are our own, and strictly our own and they are not at a federal level-- they are at a provincial level. And frankly, I think you guys will get better healthcare than we will in the long run because it look like the healthcare system will be regulated at a federal level, not at a state level.

You can look at the pros and cons, but to say that they won't work for your country is wrong because your country will employ a different policy and have to tweak its own.
 
I didn't say it was the same model, the concept is there. And a warning for those who think nationalized health care is the answer here.

This is really all you need to know about Obamacare in two minutes with Dr. Brian Day, the former President of the Canadian Medical Association:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1RymX9GZc]YouTube - Former Top Canadian Dr. Brian Day: Obamacare Will Bring Rationed Care & Skyrocketing Costs[/ame]

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Bill O'Reilly: Dr. Day what is the biggest problem with your health care system?

Dr. Brian Day: Well, the biggest problem is access. By access we have, in the Canadian system the first line of defense for a sick patient is the family doctor. And, in a population of 33 million Canadians 5 million Canadians do not have a family doctor.

Bill O'Reilly: Is it because the doctors don't get paid as well as doctors get paid as well in the United States? We have 30% more doctors per 100,000. Is it because they are not getting paid as well?

Dr. Brian Day: No, we rank 26 out of 28 in the developed countries as far as doctors to population. It's part of the mechanism of rationing that has to happen when you promise to deliver everything and don't have enough resources.

Bill O'Reilly: Is that a major problem rationing in Canada? Are people suffering because they cannot get in to see a doctor?

Dr. Brian Day: Oh yes. We have over a million people waiting for surgery and probably another million waiting to see their specialist before they get to wait for the surgery.

Bill O'Reilly: Obama says if we pass this trillion dollar bill over 10 years that costs will go down in the United States. You're saying that in Canada they have skyrocketed. So, I'm just saying, this is what we're hearing we don't know. Does it seem plausible to you that if Obamacare gets passed our costs are going to come down?

Dr. Brian Day: I don't think so.
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kokonut said:
I didn't say it was the same model, the concept is there. And a warning for those who think nationalized health care is the answer here.

This is really all you need to know about Obamacare in two minutes with Dr. Brian Day, the former President of the Canadian Medical Association:

YouTube - Former Top Canadian Dr. Brian Day: Obamacare Will Bring Rationed Care & Skyrocketing Costs

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1) Provide a full transcript, so the people can decide for themselves-- otherwise people might think you are presenting it in a skewed manner

2) Our healthcare problems are at a provincial level. If there are any problems with the healthcare system, it is the provincial government's fault. All you have to do is look at that government's history to see where they are going to have their shortfalls. B.C. is experiencing problems because they are putting almost all of our tax dollars into the whole Olympics thing. So right now, BC taxpayers are demanding the provinical government to stop spending money on the Winter Olympics and put it toward more subsiding healthcare and lowering living costs.

3) The 5 million people statistic doesn't account for walk-in clinics. I don't have a family doctor because there is a walk-in clinic about half a block away from here. My entire family don't have a family doctor for the same reason. That is about let see... 4 within the immediate family, and I know about 30 of them uses walk-in clinics since they don't feel like they need to use their family doctors.
 
kokonut said:
I didn't say it was the same model, the concept is there. And a warning for those who think nationalized health care is the answer here.

This is really all you need to know about Obamacare in two minutes with Dr. Brian Day, the former President of the Canadian Medical Association:

YouTube - Former Top Canadian Dr. Brian Day: Obamacare Will Bring Rationed Care & Skyrocketing Costs

Partial transcript
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You believe about what Bill O'Reilly said, lol.

Souggy made valid point so check their post.
 
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