British Court Allows Transsexual to be Transferred to Women's Prison

I disagree if, transexual woman should be in isolation room.

No, that's not what I means.

I means any crime like transsexual woman has vagina and boob, she come to store and steal stuff then get arrest and should be send to woman prison if she is COMPLETELY woman.

Sorry, your words aren't not going happen in UK and some states in US that where completely transsexual women has sent to woman prison.
 
No, that's not what I means.

I means any crime like transsexual woman has vagina and boob, she come to store and steal stuff then get arrest and should be send to woman prison if she is COMPLETELY woman.

Sorry, your words aren't not going happen in UK and some states in US that where completely transsexual women has sent to woman prison.

Well, can you accept "agree to disagree " ? We are not on the same page. :)
 
Well, can you accept "agree to disagree " ? We are not on the same page. :)

No, you are just intense about if transsexual woman (vagina-boob) died from attacked and rape in male prison for just commit theft at store, that's too extreme.

I don't care but you have no respect for transsexual people, that's typical gender police.
 
No, you are just intense about if transsexual woman (vagina-boob) died from attacked and rape in male prison for just commit theft at store, that's too extreme.

I don't care but you have no respect for transsexual people, that's typical gender police.

Once he committed crime, he showed no respect for the society. I do have respected for the society by not breakin' the law. It's too bad that he has to pay for his crime.
 
This person who committed crime is totally heartless. I am not a criminal. I don't rape. That person raped someone. He should be sending to the male prison regardless of what you say about me.

That transexual is still a "he" and he don't care about rapin' someone when HE committed crime. I would like to see him to suffer to understand how the victim feels. He should deserve it. Sorry to say this. I am against rape.

I disagree if, transexual woman should be in isolation room.

If you are against rape, then surely - you should have no problem sending this transsexual to female prison because we both know this person will be brutally raped by dozens of male prisoners.

Isolation room is not a guaranteed safety either. "She" should be placed in female prison. There's not a single proper facility for a person with vagina and boob in male prison.
 
Once he committed crime, he showed no respect for the society. I do have respected for the society by not breakin' the law. It's too bad that he has to pay for his crime.

so you do not care if she will get raped in male prison?
 
LONDON — A British court issued a landmark ruling Friday, allowing a transsexual prisoner serving life for manslaughter and attempted rape to be transferred to a women's prison.

High Court Deputy Judge David Elvin said the refusal of Justice Secretary Jack Straw and the prison authorities to transfer the 27-year-old was a violation of her human rights.

The prisoner, who began gender reassignment treatment years ago to become a woman, was not named to protect her identity.

Keeping her in a male prison "effectively bars her ability to qualify for surgery, which interferes with her personal autonomy in a manner which goes beyond that which imprisonment is intended to do," Elvin said.

The prisoner's lawyer, Phillippa Kaufmann, said she would be transferred in the coming weeks.

Although born a man, she began the process of gender reassignment while in prison. In 2006, she obtained a legal acknowledgment that she should be recognized as a woman.

The prisoner, who was then a man, was originally sentenced to five years for manslaughter in 2001 after strangling his boyfriend to death.

Days after his release, he tried to rape a female shopkeeper and was sentenced to life.

The judge said the prisoner had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and had been aware of her condition from an early age.

In evidence presented for the hearing, she said she had always felt like a woman.

"For me it is simply a reflection of how it should have been from the start," she said, adding she hoped to have surgery soon to remove her penis.

She has adopted a female name, had facial and body hair permanently removed and developed breasts after hormone treatment.

Elvin said she looks "convincingly" like a woman, although she has been prevented from wearing skirts and other items in the male prison.

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See where I highlighted above, it is still a "he" since he still has a penis.
 
so you do not care if she will get raped in male prison?

Well, men rape men in the male prison. Same thing. Women rape women in the female prison. Same thing. No difference.

I am talkin' about that man who changed his sex preference SHOULD go to the male prison since he was born with "male" genitals. That's my view.

If, you view that "she" should go to the female prison, just because of his sex-change preference into a female -- then, that's YOUR view in despite of "his" birth with male genitals.

I am just disagreein' with Foxrac's point of view. That's all. Each person don't see the same. No hard feelings here. :)
 
Well, men rape men in the male prison. Same thing. Women rape women in the female prison. Same thing. No difference.

I am talkin' about that man who changed his sex preference SHOULD go to the male prison since he was born with "male" genitals. That's my view.

If, you view that "she" should go to the female prison, just because of his sex-change preference into a female -- then, that's YOUR view in despite of "his" birth with male genitals.

I am just disagreein' with Foxrac's point of view. That's all. Each person don't see the same. No hard feelings here. :)

Where would you send a hermaphrodite?
 
so you do not care if she will get raped in male prison?

Well....it seems the shoe is on the other foot now....did "he/she" care when he/she attempted to rape a woman?...Did he/she care when he killed the roommate?

again, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander....as far as he/she getting raped in a male prison, the same thing is gonna happen in a female prison.

There's no "isolation cells" for certain types of prisoners? Seems there is/should be. Until the surgery is completed, his/hers "penis" cut off and a vagina implanted, or whatever is done.....and I wonder...who is paying for all this surgery?
 
I have no problem with this woman being sent to a female prison. It might simplify things if the operation is completed first though.

I am also willing to agree to disagree with Maria and RockinRobin on this issue. Since I don't really have that much sympathy for murderers or rapists.

But unless we decide to scrap gender prisons altogether and put male and female murderers in same gaol, then as a 'female' she should be in female prison with other female murders.
Believe me, females like that can look after themselves.
 
Problem is if she stay in a male prison, she would be sought after as a prize or worse-- be used as a token to elevate another prisoner's status just because she's the only female prisoner in the male penal system.

Same thing would occur in the women's prison system-- with one exception. Her "male" sex organs would be useless!

Either way, it doesn't matter. Why? It's the British penal system, not American penal system.
 
Well, men rape men in the male prison. Same thing. Women rape women in the female prison. Same thing. No difference.

I am talkin' about that man who changed his sex preference SHOULD go to the male prison since he was born with "male" genitals. That's my view.

If, you view that "she" should go to the female prison, just because of his sex-change preference into a female -- then, that's YOUR view in despite of "his" birth with male genitals.

I am just disagreein' with Foxrac's point of view. That's all. Each person don't see the same. No hard feelings here. :)

Well, there's 2 different thing to say.

I AGREE with you about transsexual woman with penis should go to male prison.

I DISAGREE with you about transsexual woman with vagina should go to male prison.
 
I have no problem with transsexual woman for transfer to women prison.
 
I have no problem with transsexual woman for transfer to women prison.

Word.

I think all transsexual people should go to proper locations, men or women only. Nasty crimes should never happen in any prison... =/ no one deserve this way.
 
See where I highlighted above, it is still a "he" since he still has a penis.

I noticed a lot of "he" and "he/she" on this thread, so just a word to anyone that is confused about pronouns regarding transsexuals.

Generally speaking, it's common courtesy in the transsexual community to use the pronoun that the person is transitioning into. That means that if someone is male-to-female (MTF), she would be the correct pronoun. If someone is female-to-male (FTM), he would be the correct pronoun. He/she is seen as degrading by many, so it's best to ask the person which pronoun they prefer.
 
...Although born a man, she began the process of gender reassignment while in prison. In 2006, she obtained a legal acknowledgment that she should be recognized as a woman.
Hello?! Is everyone overlooking this fact. The prisoner was a MAN at the time of the crime, at the time of the trial, and at the time of imprisonment. The prisoner didn't even begin the process of gender reassignment until he was in prison! Who's paying for the gender reassignment, and why was it approved of while he was in prison?



...She has adopted a female name, had facial and body hair permanently removed and developed breasts after hormone treatment.

Elvin said she looks "convincingly" like a woman, although she has been prevented from wearing skirts and other items in the male prison.
I have a medical question. What do the chromosomes of this person indicate? Male or female?
 
I overlooked the part where it said that she still has a penis. Now, I thinking if she still has a penis, she is still a man.

Reba does have a good point...who is paying for the surgery and why has it been approved?
 
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