Britan wants social security system like america has.

[ravensteve1961]

No link,,,Heard it on FOX news...Brits think its a bad idea what mr bush is doing by relying your retirememt on the stock market. Well brits dont know what our social security is really like. In america the goverment takes that money out when you work and you dont get it back until youre 65. Suppose you dont make it around 65? Then that money the goverment took gave it to someone else. Plus social security system is nothing secured about it. The government can look up your files and provide it to anyone. Your educational record, Your criminal record which means your employer can look at your files and that will determine whatever you get a job or not. British have no idea about social security system. That means the brits will have a lot tougher time finding a job because of your educational background or your criminal record. Right now its easy to get a job in england cause you can lie to your employer you graduated from high school. In america if dont have a high school diploma you dont get the job. Thats why liberals created the crime problems in america. Liberals created the drug problems. And the courts are a joke because of liberalism. Even prisons arent like prisons in america because of liberalism just look at the parole system thats even a joke too. Republicans want to abolish probations and paroles.Republicans think if you go to prison you do the whole time the judge gives you. British prisons dont have a parole system nor courts thers dont have a probation system. British dont have street gangs or drug problems and people there arent afraid to go out at night there. British can get a job without getting over 100 applications they put in.British dont have a welfare system like america does thanks to LBJ. So in case your british dont pray for a social security system. Come to america first and go take a walk in the streets of harlem then decide if this is what you want? Cause when you walk down the streets of harlem thats the future of london if you put a social security system like america.

 

[Vance]

Wow, you made many errors in your analyzation of Social Security. I don't know where to start...

I will say again... again and again. Look, I mean LOOK at Sweden and their Social Security system. It is SO success that neoconservatives are completely speechless when Prime Minister of Sweden smashed their faces with results one year or two years ago. Swedish governments provide the job training program and other programs for poor people through Social Security to get the jobs, to enroll at colleges/universities, etc etc. There are many things that has been so successful that Swedish governments easily wiped the filthy floor with these losers (Religious Right).

Liberals created the drug problems? Sweden is strong liberal-socialist country and drug rate is relatively low. So crime rate is relatively low in Sweden as well. Now in America, drug and crime rates are incredibly higher when compare to Sweden, it must be republicans/conservatives' doing since larger percent of Drug industries and Fast Foods are funded and owned by republicans. Hmmm. (I am posing as ravensteve to rave)

Prove me that liberals created the drug problems. Prove me that liberals created the crime problems. I can easily prove you that Drug industries and Fast Food are owned and funded by Religious Right (Thanks to few books which comes with ton and ton of references & sources).

In other words, you are raving again as usual. I am glad that UK and Sweden made the smartest choices where Religious Right is incapable to make any intelligent decisions.

Wait a minute... why am I replying someone's topic who seem couldn't read correctly that republican is the one who created the miscarriage bill, not democrat? Oh right, I am wasting my time on you and this topic.

Good luck with this topic.

Go UK and Sweden! --- And I will not bother to post or even read in this topic ever again because um, oh hell, some of you already know what I mean. Later folks.

 

[ravensteve1961]

Ok,,,Who idea was it that criminals should be paroled and early release if they behave themselves while in prison? Whos idea was it your first time offense you should be placed on probation? Whos idea was it if youre not a high school grad you shouldnt work here? Well it seems to me all of this started during the mid 1960s The liberal hippy flower power decade. Now when teens drop out of high school and get a job the employer turns em down. My dad dropped out of high school when he was 17 enlisted in the army and was successfuly employed in bethelhem steel factory. Now they dont take factory workers anymore if theyre high school dropouts. Now kids have no choice but to turn to drugs and into street gangs rob womens pocketbooks burgalized homes shoot people on the street take their wallets walk in a 7-11 store order the clerk open the cash register with a gun and then ether walks out with the money or shoots him then walks out with the money. Seems the liberals do more harm than good huh?:

 

[shezzbeav]

Dude, check out Australia's Social Security system at http://www.centrelink.gov.au

This should give you a better idea of what social security is all about!!

 

[ravensteve1961]

What do i click on?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Dude, check out Australia's Social Security system at http://www.centrelink.gov.au

This should give you a better idea of what social security is all about!!

Your link is not working.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Is what you mean, Ravensteve?

How Bush can change our pension system
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/050122/17/fatwn.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011505D.shtml

http://www.assertahome.com/1/ah/guides/commercial/britishGas/homeSecuritySystem.do

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/congress/pd021699g.html

http://www.britishcouncil.org/china-society-modernising-government-uip.htm

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Wow, you made many errors in your analyzation of Social Security. I don't know where to start...

Yes, I thought the same as you, too. His post got me confuse.

I will say again... again and again. Look, I mean LOOK at Sweden and their Social Security system. It is SO success that neoconservatives are completely speechless when Prime Minister of Sweden smashed their faces with results one year or two years ago. Swedish governments provide the job training program and other programs for poor people through Social Security to get the jobs, to enroll at colleges/universities, etc etc. There are many things that has been so successful that Swedish governments easily wiped the filthy floor with these losers (Religious Right).

Yes, your description is an exactly same as in Germany. It start at long time ago which it's good and meaningful for poor people to improve their education thru job training program and also thru Social Securtiy, too.

Liberals created the drug problems? Sweden is strong liberal-socialist country and drug rate is relatively low. So crime rate is relatively low in Sweden as well. Now in America, drug and crime rates are incredibly higher when compare to Sweden, it must be republicans/conservatives' doing since larger percent of Drug industries and Fast Foods are funded and owned by republicans. Hmmm. (I am posing as ravensteve to rave)

Prove me that liberals created the drug problems. Prove me that liberals created the crime problems. I can easily prove you that Drug industries and Fast Food are owned and funded by Religious Right (Thanks to few books which comes with ton and ton of references & sources).

In other words, you are raving again as usual. I am glad that UK and Sweden made the smartest choices where Religious Right is incapable to make any intelligent decisions.

Wait a minute... why am I replying someone's topic who seem couldn't read correctly that republican is the one who created the miscarriage bill, not democrat? Oh right, I am wasting my time on you and this topic.

Good luck with this topic.

Go UK and Sweden! --- And I will not bother to post or even read in this topic ever again because um, oh hell, some of you already know what I mean. Later folks.

wow, you know alot about Europe. It's exactly what I think the same as you over him. That's why I doenst make my posts much on his threads until I saw something about Security system here so I has to make my post and tell you what I know or not.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No link,,,Heard it on FOX news...Brits think its a bad idea what mr bush is doing by relying your retirememt on the stock market. Well brits dont know what our social security is really like. In america the goverment takes that money out when you work and you dont get it back until youre 65. Suppose you dont make it around 65? Then that money the goverment took gave it to someone else. Plus social security system is nothing secured about it.

And?

Of course government use my pension insurance on anything but I will get my pension money back when I'm on retirement or what? The government do not steal your money but "use" your money for anything. You will not lose your pension money when you are on the retirement because you has the proof that you insure pension for years for your future retirement.

Do I understand you correctly or what?

The government can look up your files and provide it to anyone. Your educational record, Your criminal record which means your employer can look at your files and that will determine whatever you get a job or not. British have no idea about social security system. That means the brits will have a lot tougher time finding a job because of your educational background or your criminal record. Right now its easy to get a job in england cause you can lie to your employer you graduated from high school. In america if dont have a high school diploma you dont get the job. Thats why liberals created the crime problems in america. Liberals created the drug problems. And the courts are a joke because of liberalism. Even prisons arent like prisons in america because of liberalism just look at the parole system thats even a joke too. Republicans want to abolish probations and paroles.Republicans think if you go to prison you do the whole time the judge gives you. British prisons dont have a parole system nor courts thers dont have a probation system. British dont have street gangs or drug problems and people there arent afraid to go out at night there. British can get a job without getting over 100 applications they put in.British dont have a welfare system like america does thanks to LBJ. So in case your british dont pray for a social security system. Come to america first and go take a walk in the streets of harlem then decide if this is what you want? Cause when you walk down the streets of harlem thats the future of london if you put a social security system like america.

No, it's not true. I work in London for 5 years. Yes, they have welfare service system and social security system. My relatives live in London, that's what I know alot about social security system from them. They are happy and satafised what Tony Blair did for his people.

Of course they check my criminal record or education. They are not interesting if I tell them that I has good certificates which I got from school and college, etc. They want is see "paper", not your mouth.
Of course you would not get the job until you prove them with papers that you have educations in your pocket. I only tell you what I know BECAUSE I work in London before married and move to live in Germany.

Of course prisons do have court, parole, etc.

They doesnt give my brother job quickly due his criminal record and education in the past. It took long to get him a job as painter thru Job Center but he's not happy. Job Center found him a job at electricial store. Lucky is the manager like him after know him better and promote him to be manager and work for 5 years to learn anything from him before he left job to set his own business at 12 years ago (I remember the year because that's time my 1st son was born). His business goes bigger and bigger now. He employed 8 people. He's rich and successful businessman now.

I only tell you what I know, that's all.

 

[ravensteve1961]

Thats not the answer im looking for. Whos idea was it that criminals should be paroled and early release if they behave themselves while in prison? Whos idea was it your first time offense you should be placed on probation?

Make Prisons like prison instead like a holiday inn.

 

[shezzbeav]

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ssa1991186/

This is all about the social security in australia.

 

[ravensteve1961]

DAMN,,, Aussies have it worst than america. Someday when your wallet runs dry youre gonna be angry at the goverment just like americans are. And americans are changing. Canada still have`nt get it yet and britsh are still liberal. Someday when you feel that tight pinch like americans had youll start voting conservitive. How americans got that way? It goes far back as the end of jimmy carters days. We voted for ronald reagan. Ronald Reagan showed us the way how to live prosper. Ronald reagan once said these words
""" The Problem Isnt the system.. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!""" Hes talking about you dont need social security ,,,You dont need WELFARE!!,, Americans can create our own pension system And thats what george bush is finaly gonna do. GET RID of Social Secuirty and welfare and allow us manage our own money without the goverment telling us how to do it.

 

[Reba]

Do I understand you correctly or what?

I think Ravensteve was referring to the fact that if a person dies before age 65, then all their benefits are gone. The money that the person contributed during his/her lifetime benefits other people. The person's survivors do not get the deceased person's retirement money. There is just a one-time small payment made to the survivors. For example, I am 53 years old. I have been "contributing" to Social Security since I was 16. If I die tomorrow, my hubby gets a one-time death benefit. I don't know the exact amount but I think it is just a few hundred dollars. All the thousands of dollars that I paid into the system are gone, poof!

 

[jazzy]

Thats not the answer im looking for. Whos idea was it that criminals should be paroled and early release if they behave themselves while in prison? Whos idea was it your first time offense you should be placed on probation?

Make Prisons like prison instead like a holiday inn.

You don't want to pay tax to keep those prisoners in jail so they let them go.

 

[ravensteve1961]

This is the answer to crime & Punishment.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I think Ravensteve was referring to the fact that if a person dies before age 65, then all their benefits are gone. The money that the person contributed during his/her lifetime benefits other people. The person's survivors do not get the deceased person's retirement money. There is just a one-time small payment made to the survivors. For example, I am 53 years old. I have been "contributing" to Social Security since I was 16. If I die tomorrow, my hubby gets a one-time death benefit. I don't know the exact amount but I think it is just a few hundred dollars. All the thousands of dollars that I paid into the system are gone, poof!

Yeah, I know what you mean.

The pension, we work to pay for our future will go to their partners and underage children as "widow pension" and "ophan pension until 18 yrs. old" when insured person died. I really dont know how much widow and underaged children recieved pension benefit.


Yeah, I know that life is unfair.