Bluetooth enabled TTY?

[LinuxGold]

Maybe I will move next to your house so my family will use your bluetooth cable/router for free...

Hah, you wish. :P

My home LAN is pure Linux

Anyway Nesmuth, any url?

 

[Nesmuth]

Is that from 1970's shows eh? I really don't buy your claims! Nowadays I don't see much TTY going around like it used to be!
I have had plenty of encounter with you in the past and you never really stand up claim that you have made. So, ur expecting me to believe every word you say? I am laughing my ass off right now.

Sure throw your bricks at me if you wish. I happen to work with CTAP and there's plenty of outstanding ttys out there.

Richard

 

[Nesmuth]

Since this is my thread, please do not attack others personally.

Everyone have their own opinion and are entitled to express whatever they want.

Nesmuth, can you list me urls of companies that are 'deaf controlled' manufacturer so I can check them out and to get in contact with?

http://www.ultratec.com/

http://www.krowntty.com/

Ameriphone seems to have shed a lot of deaf influences since they were bought out by Plantronics.

Richard

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

Sure throw your bricks at me if you wish. I happen to work with CTAP and there's plenty of outstanding ttys out there.

Richard

We can throw our chunky TTYS at you instead.

::throws TTY at Richard::

::TTY bonks Richard in the head::

::Richard passes out::

 

[Nesmuth]

Sure throw those instead.

Richard

 

[Dennis S.]

Whoa, lots of talk while I was at work today. Let's see if we can clear things up, one at a time:

Original question, which I did not comment on:

Is there such a thing like Bluetooth tty that works with cell phones with bluetooth configured to work with headsets (M1)?

Not to my knowledge, and I've just returned from a nationwide event where a TTY vendor was present. TTYs are a dead end right now, technologically speaking. Why invest in a dying tech where only a few people benefit for such a short time? No one will take that risk in a world based on profit.

Got a question, can you call 911 with BB or similiar devices?

Sure, you can, using the phone application, not relay or some kind of data plan. You gotta have the phone application dial out so that the phone's GPS routines kick in and send whatever location based information available to the E-911 system that'll come and save you. It'd be best to try to start talking into the phone so that they understand you're deaf and give them an idea of your surroundings, but they're supposed to respond to all calls, whether or not they were able to hear someone speaking or not.

The loss of about 98% of TTY sales in the past 6 years proves that TTY is being phased out the market. Eventually there will be need of repairmen, and that would be "Short term".

I know ONLY one satellite internet provider that would work with VP (No it is NOT DirecWay!). THey now are very expensive, but evenutally might become cheaper.

I don't know about 98% of the TTY sales, but I imagine the sales are down significantly.

I bet all "high speed" internet providers work with a VP. I just strongly doubt you'll get a good picture with any of them, and since you didn't mention the provider, we're never going to be able to verify what you say you know.

I have a question. Since if I'm at home and in case of an emergency, could I dial 911 even though I have no landline service? My mom and dad didn't sign up for landline service since my parents replace them with cell phones.

In many cases, yes. Without service, there should still be power going into the phone (if you had service there in the first place. If you're in a new phone, TURN ON THE SERVICE FIRST!). If there's no power going to the phone jacks, then no, you won't be able to dial 911. That means that if the phone company disconnected the power to the outlets, you'll need to pay for service to keep even the 911 access. Thankfully, it's more and more common that even with disconnected service, 911 is still available. NO GUARANTEES. Ask your phone company, and if you do disconnect it, TEST IT FIRST.

Hence, the reason for bluetooth TTY for my new Sidekick 3 to come.

I honestly don't think they'll ever happen unless someone is doing it simply because they've got a research grant to develop it. No commercial company will touch TTYs with a 50 foot pole today.

I doubt it would work with bluetooth on TTY, Blue tooth depends on digital, while TTY depends on analog. But I could be wrong,

All you need is the audio encoding for the TTY tones. Problem is, if I understand correctly, yes, there is an issue with the tones being analog. Cell phones are a whole different beast from custom-made TTYs developed by manufacturers. I would hope that converters would be able to do something about it, but because no one has already done it, I fear that it's not as simple as LinuxGold would like to think it is.

Dennis; It'll cost about the same as a new sidekick.

GraysonPeddie; our captioner just got back and we'll take care of the captioning issues. The pic is crappy like 90 percent of youtube's videos.

Richard

Mighty expensive for a "wireless" two way typing device. There's no TTY, no internet connection, no cell connection, no paging connection, NOTHING. It fufills one purpose while being bulky. No thanks. If one of these costs $350-400, what will 2 cost?

The demand for text communication devices like TTY's is still strong. TTY companies are largely deaf controlled and each of these have their own quasi-politcal agandas and they dont really share common grounds.

I been seeing plenty of ad-homenum pies flying between the companies in the past years. New companies that are hearing controlled are popping up and slowly taking their places. And theyre not as childish as the well known TTY manufacturing companies are.

Lots of people tell us they want to buy TTY's after playing with them at our OC fair booth. After the fair, we'll have a month long event in our office that we use to invite and sell people the accessories they liked at our booth.

Richard

I call bullshit on this. TTY companies are not deaf controlled. They're hearing controlled. Ultratec's executives are all hearing. There are no new TTY companies. It's unfortunate, but mis-information like this doesn't help.

 

[GraysonPeddie]

Got a question, can you call 911 with BB or similiar devices?

Sure, you can, using the phone application, not relay or some kind of data plan. You gotta have the phone application dial out so that the phone's GPS routines kick in and send whatever location based information available to the E-911 system that'll come and save you. It'd be best to try to start talking into the phone so that they understand you're deaf and give them an idea of your surroundings, but they're supposed to respond to all calls, whether or not they were able to hear someone speaking or not.

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I have a question. Since if I'm at home and in case of an emergency, could I dial 911 even though I have no landline service? My mom and dad didn't sign up for landline service since my parents replace them with cell phones.

In many cases, yes. Without service, there should still be power going into the phone (if you had service there in the first place. If you're in a new phone, TURN ON THE SERVICE FIRST!). If there's no power going to the phone jacks, then no, you won't be able to dial 911. That means that if the phone company disconnected the power to the outlets, you'll need to pay for service to keep even the 911 access. Thankfully, it's more and more common that even with disconnected service, 911 is still available. NO GUARANTEES. Ask your phone company, and if you do disconnect it, TEST IT FIRST.

Your information helps. About dialing 911 in a pager, I may consider sell my Ameriphone Q90-D Portable TTY, but maybe not too soon...

 

[LinuxGold]

Ok, what is the MOST viable solution to call 911 remotely?

With that answer, I will close this thread as a finalized solution to my question.

I might even switch from Sidekick 3 to other cell phone if it can satisfy my needs.

 

[Dennis S.]

The most viable solution? For a deaf person, today, the most viable way is to dial 911 and wait for rescue. If you have a VCO device like a Krown Portable TTY and your phone is TTY compatible, AND you can speak a little bit, then you can dial 911 and tell the emergency dispatcher to type back to you. They're trained in how to do that.

Do not use relay for 911. There's just no way to pass the phone's E-911 capabilities from the relay operator to the E911 operator at this time.

Fortunately, I know those in the industry who are working on enhanced solutions that will allow some kind of communication to happen through the cell phone.

 

[LinuxGold]

The most viable solution? For a deaf person, today, the most viable way is to dial 911 and wait for rescue. If you have a VCO device like a Krown Portable TTY and your phone is TTY compatible, AND you can speak a little bit, then you can dial 911 and tell the emergency dispatcher to type back to you. They're trained in how to do that.

Do not use relay for 911. There's just no way to pass the phone's E-911 capabilities from the relay operator to the E911 operator at this time.

Fortunately, I know those in the industry who are working on enhanced solutions that will allow some kind of communication to happen through the cell phone.

Consider this scenario: I just now took drowned victim from lake and not know what to do, I dial 911 and wait... by then that victim would be completely dead. Communicating via 911 is ESSENTIAL especially if this scenario is VERY rare.

 

[Nesmuth]

The trolls can always suit themselves any way they like. They can make all the noise they want but theyll always be stuck under the armpits of the bridges.

Richard

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

Consider this scenario: I just now took drowned victim from lake and not know what to do, I dial 911 and wait... by then that victim would be completely dead. Communicating via 911 is ESSENTIAL especially if this scenario is VERY rare.

Exactly...

That is why I still have a landline and a tty..so I can communicate to them what the emergency is and they will send the right person over (cop/ambulance/etc) and they will come quicker...

If I just dial 911 and hang up and wait then they will wonder whether it is a prank call or something and they will just send cop officer to check it out...then the cop come over, time passes by, then cop sees what is wrong and calls for proper personnel to come, more time passes by, the victim could already be dead...

There's this saying "every second counts"....

 

[javapride]

Got a question, can you call 911 with BB or similiar devices?

yes you can u have to type in E911 and have ur GPRS turned on so they can find you via that

 

[Dennis S.]

Consider this scenario: I just now took drowned victim from lake and not know what to do, I dial 911 and wait... by then that victim would be completely dead. Communicating via 911 is ESSENTIAL especially if this scenario is VERY rare.

Totally understand. Every 911 situation needs to be treated as if every second counts. Unfortunately, your options today are limited if you're unable to communicate via voice. You can still use a TTY compatible cell and a portable TTY, but, as usual, that's not the ideal all-in-one package we desire. The companies out there hear our demands -- but obviously something is preventing them from making things like this!

 

[LinuxGold]

Hmm, after listening to all replies, I might have a good idea. Nesmuth, is it possible if you can forward this conversation (the whole thread here) towards someone responsible for TTY/cell phone compatibility. And have him reply back to us on the current status of technology design available to us that might provide us a redemy to this situation? I think it would help us tremendously if we had bluetooth TTY, that way it will TEMPORARILY provide us the much needed solution until the norm mainstream adapt to our needs later on.

Thanks for your time.

(the personal arguing ends right here please.)

 

[Foxrac]

Maybe I will move next to your house so my family will use your bluetooth cable/router for free...

I will peek though my window FBI/DHS agents show up at your front door.

Ya know that LinuxGold is probably from rural area, or not sure because this city seems too small to me. You are just need buy land that about less than miles to next to LinuxGold's house. I bet you will feel so bored.

 

[LinuxGold]

Ya know that LinuxGold is probably from rural area, or not sure because this city seems too small to me. You are just need buy land that about less than miles to next to LinuxGold's house. I bet you will feel so bored.

To get the idea, look at map with zip code: 19943.

 

[Dennis S.]

Hmm, after listening to all replies, I might have a good idea. Nesmuth, is it possible if you can forward this conversation (the whole thread here) towards someone responsible for TTY/cell phone compatibility. And have him reply back to us on the current status of technology design available to us that might provide us a redemy to this situation? I think it would help us tremendously if we had bluetooth TTY, that way it will TEMPORARILY provide us the much needed solution until the norm mainstream adapt to our needs later on.

Thanks for your time.

(the personal arguing ends right here please.)

LinuxGold, I guess we can forward this conversation to anyone and everyone in the world, but the bottom line is, since TTY sales are dropping dramatically, there is very little, if any, research and development going on for TTY technologies.

Anyone who is doing so has to be doing it with the realization that very few people will buy a Bluetooth TTY, and thus must sell their device for a much higher price than what you might find acceptable. Even if such a device became possible, I would garner that it would cost in the thousands range, just like this Phonak Smartlink bluetooth device for cochlear implants costs. Pricing isn't online, you have to call them.

http://www.phonak.com/com_028-0032-xx_professional_brochure_smartlink.pdf

The market is just so narrow today that it'd be virtually impossible to make money back on the R&D for a bluetooth TTY. I'm not going to discourage you or anyone else from forwarding this on, but you gotta realize that development takes tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in time and testing and you may be under the impression that it may be a $99.99 bluetooth TTY, but I'm predicting such a device would have to cost at least $1000. Is that something you're willing to pay for?

 

[LinuxGold]

LinuxGold, I guess we can forward this conversation to anyone and everyone in the world, but the bottom line is, since TTY sales are dropping dramatically, there is very little, if any, research and development going on for TTY technologies.

Anyone who is doing so has to be doing it with the realization that very few people will buy a Bluetooth TTY, and thus must sell their device for a much higher price than what you might find acceptable. Even if such a device became possible, I would garner that it would cost in the thousands range, just like this Phonak Smartlink bluetooth device for cochlear implants costs. Pricing isn't online, you have to call them.

http://www.phonak.com/com_028-0032-xx_professional_brochure_smartlink.pdf

The market is just so narrow today that it'd be virtually impossible to make money back on the R&D for a bluetooth TTY. I'm not going to discourage you or anyone else from forwarding this on, but you gotta realize that development takes tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in time and testing and you may be under the impression that it may be a $99.99 bluetooth TTY, but I'm predicting such a device would have to cost at least $1000. Is that something you're willing to pay for?

$1000 to save someone's life, yes. Life is far more than priceless don't you agree?

 

[Dennis S.]

$1000 to save someone's life, yes. Life is far more than priceless don't you agree?

$1000 for an insurance policy? Kind of a bitter pill to swallow. I imagine it's the same for everyone else. Who has $1000 to throw at this very rare problem, even with the benefits of getting wireless TTY services over the phone?

The wired solution is $150-300. If someone really needed to they would just get those instead of a wireless phone. If there was NO OTHER portable TTY in existence, I would agree that $1000 might be do-able, but you've got acceptable wired portable TTYs today. Would you pay $1000 for a wireless version of a $300 wired device?