Bishop punishes mom for daughter's abortion

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jillio said:
Exactly. It is simply an attempt to fulfill an ulterior agenda. If they were truly concerned about "no religious posts" they would object to prayer requests, as well. Just another example of the contradictions that abound.
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Prayer requests are not "discussions" about religion.
 
Reba said:
Prayer requests are not "discussions" about religion.
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They are as much as a discussion about religion as this topic is. Now, would you like to discuss the topic, or is your intent simply to drag this into some sort of a religious discussion so that you can request the thread be closed?
 
Reba said:
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! You got the word of the day again! :laugh2:
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Anything to add to the topic, Reba?

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You got the refusal to recognize the topic award today.
 
Personally, I've always stated that abortion is allowable for situations that are medically necessary for preserving the life of the mother. Even the law of Brazil recognizes that. That's the issue that can be discussed in this forum.

The rapist stepfather is in police custody, as he should be, and I hope that he is punished to the full extent of the law.

How the leaders of a church manage their membership depends on their beliefs. Since we can't discuss religion here, I can't comment on that.
 
jillio said:
They are as much as a discussion about religion as this topic is. Now, would you like to discuss the topic, or is your intent simply to drag this into some sort of a religious discussion so that you can request the thread be closed?
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I have never requested anyone's thread be closed except my own, and I don't intend on starting now.
 
Reba said:
Personally, I've always stated that abortion is allowable for situations that are medically necessary for preserving the life of the mother. Even the law of Brazil recognizes that. That's the issue that can be discussed in this forum.

The rapist stepfather is in police custody, as he should be, and I hope that he is punished to the full extent of the law.

How the leaders of a church manage their membership depends on their beliefs. Since we can't discuss religion here, I can't comment on that.
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Ah, then you will agree that this black and white thinking of this particular "right to life" faction is not a right to life at all?
 
jillio said:
Well, first of all, the action of this bishop is about as right wing as one can get. And had I run across an article about a Baptist such as you describe, I would have posted it, as well. The intent is not to discuss religious doctrine, but of the contradictory nature of the right to life stance in real life situations. It would seem that the right to lifers attempt to portray what is intended as a discussion of contradictions in philosophy as a "religious discussion" only to attempt to have the thread closed and avoid having to look at the real issue.
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Regardless, one cannot discuss "right to life" without bringing religion into the discussion. And hasn't the topic of abortion been discussed here ad nauseam? why bring this up again? people are either for it against it, and it's a topic that people have strong feelings about. It's inevitable that arguments will ensue and the thread will be closed anyway.
 
So...the preacher dont give a shit that the girl was sexually abused by her stepfather but gives a shit about the babies that were carried by a CHILD WHO IS 9 YEARS OLD should give birth instead of aborting it? Wow super fucked up.

Obviously shes way too young and is not READY to be a mother or that her body isnt mature enough to carry babies such as twins which could possibly bring health risks to the girl and the babies in some ways.

It's not any of the preacher or the church's business to say anything about the young girl's life. It's HER life and HER decision to what she can do with her body and her babies.

They need to back off and leave that girl who went thru shit alone.
 
Buffalo said:
I don't see anything about the stepfather being excommunicated.
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Yea I didnt see anything about that either...thats very highly unfair if they only excommuincate the mother and the girl just because of abortion when in fact that the stepfather started ALL this by raping her. :roll:
 
flyingace said:
Regardless, one cannot discuss "right to life" without bringing religion into the discussion. And hasn't the topic of abortion been discussed here ad nauseam? why bring this up again? people are either for it against it, and it's a topic that people have strong feelings about. It's inevitable that arguments will ensue and the thread will be closed anyway.
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One absolutely can discuss the right to life without bringing religion into it. It is done all the time. The only ones who cannot do so are the same one that can't discuss anything without bringing religion into it.

I brought it up because I thought it was another interesting portrayal of the contradictions in the right to life platform.

It is not inevitable that arguments will ensue. Not if one sticks to the topic as it has been identified. Discussions may ensue, but that does not always equal argument.

If you would prefer not to discuss the topic again, then that is certainly your right to do so. However, given that you have replied on this thread more than once, it would appear that it is a topic you have some interest in.

Care to discuss how it is that one can arrive at the conclusion that an embryo has more of a right to life than a 9 year old child who has been raped by her step father?
 
jillio said:
Care to discuss how it is that one can arrive at the conclusion that an embryo has more of a right to life than a 9 year old child who has been raped by her step father?
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That question sounds more like an invitation to an argument that you intend to win than genuine curiosity about my opinion.

You're correct that I have some interest in the topic, but it's more of the idle curiosity type than a desire to jump into the fray and defend my viewpoint. Whether or not I choose to participate in any thread is my business.
 
flyingace said:
That question sounds more like an invitation to an argument that you intend to win than genuine curiosity about my opinion.

You're correct that I have some interest in the topic, but it's more of the idle curiosity type than a desire to jump into the fray and defend my viewpoint. Whether or not I choose to participate in any thread is my business.
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Not an invitation to argument at all. Simply a request for you to participate in the discussion.

Actually, depending upon how you choose to participate, it can be the business of others, as well. But I really didn't expect many of the right to lifers to be anxious to participate, because the fact of the matter is, the contradiction posed in this thread cannot be explained. That is why you are talking around the subject rather than about it.
 
That's a shame...instead of compassion and understanding, the mother gets outsed in her community. If that happened to me, I would give the bird to my community and find another community who wouldn't judge me. However, seeing that they live in a country where abortion is frowned on, it would be hard for the mother to find a different community. I hope she is able to find it because she did the right thing.
 
shel90 said:
That's a shame...instead of compassion and understanding, the mother gets outsed in her community. If that happened to me, I would give the bird to my community and find another community who wouldn't judge me. However, seeing that they live in a country where abortion is frowned on, it would be hard for the mother to find a different community. I hope she is able to find it because she did the right thing.
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Ditto.
 
jillio said:
But I really didn't expect many of the right to lifers to be anxious to participate............. That is why you are talking around the subject rather than about it.
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I think the answer is pretty obvious. A lot of members might be intimidated by your command of written English. The other fact of the matter; many "right to life" people are religious. Your invitation to them is like inviting Dr. King to a KKK meeting to express his views before getting beat down. Have you ever seen this debate settled? Does anyone change their views after discussing this? Or does it seem like the only people anyone listens to are those that agree with them? Your entire intent by posting this is to draw your opposition into a debate they cannot win, just as you cannot win. I refuse to discuss abortion, gun control, and party politics because nobody listens; everyone just hollers as loudly as possible. This is just a bar fight, and you are the big muscular guy. I am the little scrawny guy that knows Karate.
 
saywhatkid said:
I think the answer is pretty obvious. A lot of members might be intimidated by your command of written English. The other fact of the matter; many "right to life" people are religious. Your invitation to them is like inviting Dr. King to a KKK meeting to express his views before getting beat down. Have you ever seen this debate settled? Does anyone change their views after discussing this? Or does it seem like the only people anyone listens to are those that agree with them? Your entire intent by posting this is to draw your opposition into a debate they cannot win, just as you cannot win. I refuse to discuss abortion, gun control, and party politics because nobody listens; everyone just hollers as loudly as possible. This is just a bar fight, and you are the big muscular guy. I am the little scrawny guy that knows Karate.
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:cheers:

My feelings exactly-it's a waste of time to debate something that has no purpose other than providing a source of contention.
 
saywhatkid said:
I think the answer is pretty obvious. A lot of members might be intimidated by your command of written English. The other fact of the matter; many "right to life" people are religious. Your invitation to them is like inviting Dr. King to a KKK meeting to express his views before getting beat down. Have you ever seen this debate settled? Does anyone change their views after discussing this? Or does it seem like the only people anyone listens to are those that agree with them? Your entire intent by posting this is to draw your opposition into a debate they cannot win, just as you cannot win. I refuse to discuss abortion, gun control, and party politics because nobody listens; everyone just hollers as loudly as possible. This is just a bar fight, and you are the big muscular guy. I am the little scrawny guy that knows Karate.
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You can refuse to discuss anything you want to, but what you cannot do is determine my intent. Especially as that intent has already been spelled out. Nor is this a debate. This is not the debate forum. This is a discussion.

Frankly, the spiritual affilliation of any right to lifer is not an issue here. Reconcilliation of conflicting philosophies is the issue. Many pro-choicers are religious, too. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. But the fact that there are those that can't seem to leave it out of the topic is evidence enough that they have no valid backing to support thier position, nor conscious enough to reconcile the discrepancies.

However, if you wish to post in this thread, kindly stick to the topic.
 
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The thread is closed for review and also, it's time to cool things down for the time being.
 
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