Bionic Eyes are now reality

Hear Again said:
Here in the U.S. there is a huge debate in the blind community about bionic eyes. It's just as controversial as the CI vs. ASL debate in the Deaf community. While I would never undergo this procedure, I think people have a right to decide for themselves if a bionic eye (or CI) is appropriate for them. Someone deciding to have a bionic eye won't change my life any.
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What would you say to a couple who want their baby to be implanted with a bionic eye? Remember the child had no say in this.
 
People compare this to the debate between oralism and ASL..I have to disagree cuz ASL is a language and doesnt require surgery. IMO, it would be more appropriate to compare this to the CI debate.

Just my two cents.
 
Buffalo said:
What would you say to a couple who want their baby to be implanted with a bionic eye? Remember the child had no say in this.
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Now here is where the problem lies. Have you ever tried perswading a parent determine to fix their child with a CI?

There are already options for 'fixing' certain eye conditions. The poor kids get dragged round having painful proceedures done to them just so they can see just a little better. Even though the proceedure is painful and they have to be kept in certain positions. I don't like it much.

They should just accept there childrens limitations.

sigh... It's all very sad.
 
shel90 said:
People compare this to the debate between oralism and ASL..I have to disagree cuz ASL is a language and doesnt require surgery. IMO, it would be more appropriate to compare this to the CI debate.

Just my two cents.
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True, but the biggest drawback with CI's in children is the advice they get not to use ASL. I think Canada goes so far as only permitting CI if the child will be orally taught.

In the 90's signing seemed more in use then when I was growing up, but ever since the CI's have become more popular the oral only method seems to have made a come back. It's really sad.
 
dreama said:
True, but the biggest drawback with CI's in children is the advice they get not to use ASL. I think Canada goes so far as only permitting CI if the child will be orally taught.

In the 90's signing seemed more in use then when I was growing up, but ever since the CI's have become more popular the oral only method seems to have made a come back. It's really sad.
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I know...:mad:
 
Buffalo said:
What would you say to a couple who want their baby to be implanted with a bionic eye? Remember the child had no say in this.
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I think it's their choice and one that should be left up to them. No one else has the right to determine what is right for their child.
 
This surgery would not result in repeated painful treatments. Therefore, that point is moot.
 
Hear Again said:
Then again, I'm not surprised that you don't agree with this. You don't agree with animal testing either which, like the bionic eye, can improve the quality of one's life.
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Animal testing has never improved ANYBODY's live. When they stopped testing CI's on animals they tested them on humans. It was just luck that things didn't go wrong at that stage like it does with other proceedures although there was that melangitous conection that came about after a possitioner was put a certain way. Obviously that hadn't been spotted in trials with animals or people.

I really don't understand how anyone can have a dog help them like Jilli and Bruce did and be happy thinking about all of Jilli and Bruce's cannine relatives being tortured in laboritories just so people feel happier being used as guineapigs when human test trials come about.

Just because it worked on animals.

If so much money wasn't squandered on fixing us we'd be getting better educated and better rehabilitated which is what we really need not fairy tale cures.

And no I don't think I'm being selfish for thinking that.
When most blind or deafblind people don't get adequate rehabilitation.
90 per cent of blind kids aren't learning braille in schools.
Oralism is still being adveacted for deaf kids when some kids get badly screwed up in the process.

If people put that energy they do in research into helping the deaf and the blind cope we would be a lot better off.
 
dreama said:
Animal testing has never improved ANYBODY's live. .
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Sorry Dreama I know a lot of people keep harshly disagreeing with you, but animal testing is exactly what has eradicated polio.

I think that was absolutely worth the cost.
 
dreama said:
Animal testing has never improved ANYBODY's live.



And no I don't think I'm being selfish for thinking that.

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Bottesini said:
Sorry Dreama I know a lot of people keep harshly disagreeing with you, but animal testing is exactly what has eradicated polio.

I think that was absolutely worth the cost.
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It is worth it...

And I am sure if the out come of Dreama's situation, was different on having a cure, before her mothers death. She would be singing a different tune.
 
I can't say I wouldn't feel differantly if mom had survived cancer, but the point is she didn't. After she died. I felt a lot more strongly against animal testing. I have to admit that.

But then I also felt more strongly against animal testing after I started taking care of rescue rodents and was helped by two wonderful guide dogs.

The point is I can't trust the medical profession after mother died because they lied to us. She was suppose to live until she was 80. There was supposed to be loads of cures for cancer. All sorts of things were supposed to happen because a few animals get tortured in labs.

There is also my friend Nicky who also died of the drug she took for rumatoid Arthritis. The drug she took was tested on animals no doupt but it didn't stop it from killing her. She was deafblind with a CI too.
 
dreama said:
I can't say I wouldn't feel differantly if mom had survived cancer, but the point is she didn't. After she died. I felt a lot more strongly against animal testing. I have to admit that.

But then I also felt more strongly against animal testing after I started taking care of rescue rodents and was helped by two wonderful guide dogs.

The point is I can't trust the medical profession after mother died because they lied to us. She was suppose to live until she was 80. There was supposed to be loads of cures for cancer. All sorts of things were supposed to happen because a few animals get tortured in labs.

There is also my friend Nicky who also died of the drug she took for rumatoid Arthritis. The drug she took was tested on animals no doupt but it didn't stop it from killing her. She was deafblind with a CI too.
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So you will allow a few cases to enable you to be bitter towards animal testing. Compared to the wonderful, successful, medical technology due to testing, that have happened to others. Medical Marvels.

Majority of the time people in your situation. It makes them more eager to find a cure, instead of shutting it down.

:shrug:

Guess each is to their own. :aw:

I sure do hope you one day, find some inner peace.


Anyhoo.

I will say this. I will watch and wait to see how this plays out, with the eye implant. It is something that I will follow up on and consider if needed.
 
Babyblue: Sorry if I sound bitter. It's not like that though. After mom died I read an article that says they aren't even trying to find cures with animal testing.

Each year on the aniversery of my mom's death I donate to non animal testing charities such as Dr Hadwen trust. I donate to cancer charities that actually help people with cancer. Not the ones that just torture animals. If animals weren't tortured I think things would progress even more. It's what is holding things back. I know we will disagree on that. It took mom's death for me to see things the way they really are.

I really don't trust the medical profession. I avoid taking anything except for a drug I've needed for underactive thyroid that I've taken since I was 8 months old.
 
dreama said:
Animal testing has never improved ANYBODY's live. When they stopped testing CI's on animals they tested them on humans. It was just luck that things didn't go wrong at that stage like it does with other proceedures although there was that melangitous conection that came about after a possitioner was put a certain way. Obviously that hadn't been spotted in trials with animals or people.

I really don't understand how anyone can have a dog help them like Jilli and Bruce did and be happy thinking about all of Jilli and Bruce's cannine relatives being tortured in laboritories just so people feel happier being used as guineapigs when human test trials come about.

Just because it worked on animals.

If so much money wasn't squandered on fixing us we'd be getting better educated and better rehabilitated which is what we really need not fairy tale cures.

And no I don't think I'm being selfish for thinking that.
When most blind or deafblind people don't get adequate rehabilitation.
90 per cent of blind kids aren't learning braille in schools.
Oralism is still being adveacted for deaf kids when some kids get badly screwed up in the process.

If people put that energy they do in research into helping the deaf and the blind cope we would be a lot better off.
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I am with you on this. Do you know why 90 percent of blind kids aren't learning braille???
 
dreama said:
Babyblue: Sorry if I sound bitter. It's not like that though. After mom died I read an article that says they aren't even trying to find cures with animal testing.

Each year on the aniversery of my mom's death I donate to non animal testing charities such as Dr Hadwen trust. I donate to cancer charities that actually help people with cancer. Not the ones that just torture animals. If animals weren't tortured I think things would progress even more. It's what is holding things back. I know we will disagree on that. It took mom's death for me to see things the way they really are.

I really don't trust the medical profession. I avoid taking anything except for a drug I've needed for underactive thyroid that I've taken since I was 8 months old.
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I see. Sorry for what you been through.
 
Buffalo said:
I am with you on this. Do you know why 90 percent of blind kids aren't learning braille???
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You might want to check that statistic.

I think the 90 percent is with people who became blind later.
 
Buffalo said:
I am with you on this. Do you know why 90 percent of blind kids aren't learning braille???
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When the kids are mainstreamed they don't always bother with braille. Also if they are legally blind rather then completely blind they usually get to read print. I'll look online for you.
They also get bad practices like getting other kids to guide them instead of teaching them the route. This is just something I heard about. It causes other kids to resent them and also they aren't getting to learn things for themselves.
 
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