Bakersfield, CA sprawl

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I read a article from other site and that's one of the cheapest spot in California and that city is growing out too fast without smart plan curbing up the sprawl and building up and eating up the farmlands. Bakersfield added up 50,000 more residents from 2000 to 2005 and stands at around 312,000 residents. It could double to over 700,000+ residents in 3 decades if that economy and other factors continue. I copied and pasted the comparsion of median house price. Farmers back in 2000 made about $25,000 per acre. Most recently, they got around average of $130,000 per acre.

Bakersfield's median home price has tripled in four years but stood at just $289,000 in March, compared with $565,600 in Los Angeles and $719,220 in the San Francisco Bay Area, according to the California Association of Realtors.
 
I felt like Alldeaf isn't open minded enough to talk about this subject and I haven't got a response since yesterday. Forget about this worthless post! That's what I've noticed about Alldeaf, they don't have interest in that kind of subject related to urban issues.
 
yea i saw other article about bakersfield in previous time and it said the ppl can afford these homes in bakersfield. probably 1/2 prices of the other homes outside that town.

sadly we wont have the farms someday.
 
deafclimber said:
yea i saw other article about bakersfield in previous time and it said the ppl can afford these homes in bakersfield. probably 1/2 prices of the other homes outside that town.

sadly we wont have the farms someday.

California has a lot of farms in the San Jacquin Valley and Sacramento Valley.

I hope that sprawl won't eat up all the farms in those Valleys when Fresno and Sacramento takes over, freaky! I guess the economy and the price in Bakersfield attracted lot of people there since lot of people couldn't afford a house in LA or SF bay area. I hope they can tolerate the heat there, though.

Hey deafclimber, isn't the sprawl in Atlanta really bad? Since you live there, right?
 
sequoias said:
Hey deafclimber, isn't the sprawl in Atlanta really bad? Since you live there, right?

well yes and no... i dont know if it is really sprawl in atlanta... but we do have plenty of trees around here... we try to perserve the trees away from greedy real estates and home builders.
 
deafclimber said:
well yes and no... i dont know if it is really sprawl in atlanta... but we do have plenty of trees around here... we try to perserve the trees away from greedy real estates and home builders.

Ahhh I see. I think probably some parts of the metro has the bad sprawl and other parts they try to preserve it. :) It's good to have a lot of trees in the city/metro area for the people to breath fresh filtered air from the smog.
 
sequoias said:
Ahhh I see. I think probably some parts of the metro has the bad sprawl and other parts they try to preserve it. :) It's good to have a lot of trees in the city/metro area for the people to breath fresh filtered air from the smog.

AGREED ! :)
 
The number of single family homes being built are on the rise. That's a lot of houses being built.

* 1996: 1331 buildings, average cost: $100,100
* 1997: 1409 buildings, average cost: $101,000
* 1998: 1740 buildings, average cost: $102,100
* 1999: 1871 buildings, average cost: $114,600
* 2000: 1982 buildings, average cost: $126,800
* 2001: 2432 buildings, average cost: $127,600
* 2002: 2946 buildings, average cost: $140,100
* 2003: 3664 buildings, average cost: $153,000
* 2004: 3766 buildings, average cost: $154,700

I will add the satellite map from 1999 and the most recent one to see how the city grows.
 
Wow, I don't like Bakersfield and most of Inland Empire because sprawl can make uglier with mixed suburb and farmland.

When back in 1970's, San Bernardino County is almost empty like pancake with several ranch homes and it went growing out of control. Many people from LA area and most part of Northeast states were moved to Inland Empire in 1970's and 1980's for affordable real estate but not anymore due expensive real estate.
 
Bakersfield is in Kern County not San Bernardino County. Let's try to talk about Bakersfield, please. It was on the recent news.
 
(it might help if you ASK poeple to give out feedback. Usually people assumeyou just want to post an interesting piece of information.)

But can you blame those people to buy cheap lands in Bakersfield? It is very expensive in urban areas to have a house. Most people only can afford an APARTMENT and how could a family live in an apartment??

If people wants to preserve the trees and farmlands, THEN there has to be a solution to curb the expensive housing in urban areas. Make efficient housings to allow multiple-families to live in one space (ie-- CONDOS or big apartments). Look at Manhattan-- they used up EVERY PIECE of land-- they don't have any left... so they build upward instead of spreading.

Why don't we do the same in California?? I think the reason we weren't willing to build upward because of EARTHQUAKES. The tall building is, the deeper the foundation has to be to ensure its stability during an earthquake.
So we are stuck with our solution to spread wide to keep our building/apartment complex/condos close to ground, not 30 floors of apartments.
But five floors of apartment that costs 2,000$ to rent is hurting us as well. An average income cannot provide a house that can fit in a family of two kids reasonable.
Whose fault is that?
Our enconomy? Our Property Taxes? Our fear of tall buildings? Ourselves for not thinking about the lack of farmlands for our future generation to raise their own crops?
Is that our fault that we just WANT to own an afforadable and spacey house for our family to live in without tensions and stresses of high-priced rents and crowded space? Is it our fault that we decided to move FARAWAY so we can drive to urban areas just to work?



===NOT ABOUT BAKERSFIELD BUT STILL===
Plenty of San Diegans are beginning to live 2 hours east from the downtown... in the desert of Anza-Borrego in a small city called Borrego Springs. Their houses used to be under 100,000... and in TWO YEARS, their housing prices RAISED fast that the people in the city cannot afford it anymore... to 350,000. under 100,000 to 350,000 in JUST TWO YEARS?!?! And it is a SMALL TOWN.
I even met some San Diegans who live in Las Vegas and communte DAILY. I met some Deaf people that are communting from Riverside (because it is cheaper, but now they are experencing a spike as well so more and more Deaf people are migrating to Victorville)

This is getting out of control.
 
gnarlydorkette said:
(it might help if you ASK poeple to give out feedback. Usually people assumeyou just want to post an interesting piece of information.) I only wanted some feedback! ;)

But can you blame those people to buy cheap lands in Bakersfield? It is very expensive in urban areas to have a house. Most people only can afford an
APARTMENT and how could a family live in an apartment??

I don't blame them, I blame the cost of living and salary, so the people themselves who chose to live there. There are families that do live in apartments, I'm sure of that.

If people wants to preserve the trees and farmlands, THEN there has to be a solution to curb the expensive housing in urban areas. Make efficient housings to allow multiple-families to live in one space (ie-- CONDOS or big apartments). Look at Manhattan-- they used up EVERY PIECE of land-- they don't have any left... so they build upward instead of spreading.

Bakersfield doesn't have forests, so the farmlands are everywhere and it's in a desert region, too. Trees bring up property values.



Why don't we do the same in California?? I think the reason we weren't willing to build upward because of EARTHQUAKES. The tall building is, the deeper the foundation has to be to ensure its stability during an earthquake.
So we are stuck with our solution to spread wide to keep our building/apartment complex/condos close to ground, not 30 floors of apartments.
But five floors of apartment that costs 2,000$ to rent is hurting us as well. An average income cannot provide a house that can fit in a family of two kids reasonable.
Whose fault is that?
Our enconomy? Our Property Taxes? Our fear of tall buildings? Ourselves for not thinking about the lack of farmlands for our future generation to raise their own crops?
Is that our fault that we just WANT to own an afforadable and spacey house for our family to live in without tensions and stresses of high-priced rents and crowded space? Is it our fault that we decided to move FARAWAY so we can drive to urban areas just to work?

Well, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, etc have lot of highrises under construction and they're in a earthquake zone.
Bakersfield should do the same, because they CAN redevelop downtown and bring some other residents that are interested to live in downtown area with good jobs. The people chose where to live for jobs and cost of living, so it's a complex problem.




===NOT ABOUT BAKERSFIELD BUT STILL===
Plenty of San Diegans are beginning to live 2 hours east from the downtown... in the desert of Anza-Borrego in a small city called Borrego Springs. Their houses used to be under 100,000... and in TWO YEARS, their housing prices RAISED fast that the people in the city cannot afford it anymore... to 350,000. under 100,000 to 350,000 in JUST TWO YEARS?!?! And it is a SMALL TOWN.
I even met some San Diegans who live in Las Vegas and communte DAILY. I met some Deaf people that are communting from Riverside (because it is cheaper, but now they are experencing a spike as well so more and more Deaf people are migrating to Victorville)

This is getting out of control.

Everything is getting out of control. It's very complex problem.
 
True, it is cheaper to live in Bakersfield so are many places in San Joaquin Valley. Still plenty of land to grow foods to feed the world. Problems today too many people come to Calif and not enough housing in city so they have to go farther and cheaper to live.

We need to make plans to protect those lands for farm only.

Beside I won't live there esp with all kind of pesticide and bad water. Also deal with valley fever.
 
jazzy said:
True, it is cheaper to live in Bakersfield so are many places in San Joaquin Valley. Still plenty of land to grow foods to feed the world. Problems today too many people come to Calif and not enough housing in city so they have to go farther and cheaper to live.

We need to make plans to protect those lands for farm only.

Beside I won't live there esp with all kind of pesticide and bad water. Also deal with valley fever.
California has organic farming laws since 1990, so more and more farms are going organic as we speak. I just hope they limit the sprawl so we don't lose all the farms for food to the people.
 
Most recent satellite map of Bakersfield, CA

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I know a deaf man who works as teacher for the deaf there in bakersfield. Heard that there are a small number of deafies who live there and alot of them do drugs out of bordem. Maybe with more ppl moving in, things will get more exciting... :whistle:

Yes, its getting nuts with the long commmute for work and cheap homes. I hope they dont build #2 Los Angeles there. :ugh2:
 
sequoias said:
Bakersfield is in Kern County not San Bernardino County. Let's try to talk about Bakersfield, please. It was on the recent news.

Yea, I know but I just make compare with between both of counties.

I believe that population can be growing rapidly since many latino are move in and get job, also enjoy with their families but I would not surprised if hit more than 1 million in next decade, also depends on growing of new job and new business.
 
volcomskatz said:
Yea, I know but I just make compare with between both of counties.

I believe that population can be growing rapidly since many latino are move in and get job, also enjoy with their families but I would not surprised if hit more than 1 million in next decade, also depends on growing of new job and new business.

I already said that it will hit more than 700,000 in 3 decades (30 years) That's a lot of growth, anyways. We never know. Some demograph person back in 1966 said that California will hit 38 million in 2000, but the real population count was 33 million.
 
sequoias said:
I already said that it will hit more than 700,000 in 3 decades (30 years) That's a lot of growth, anyways. We never know. Some demograph person back in 1966 said that California will hit 38 million in 2000, but the real population count was 33 million.

Yea, it keeps growing and growing but I doubt about Texas will be #1 most population state in future.

I believe that demograph person was predicted because they noticed that many people are moved to California from Northeast and Midwest states, also including Great Migration for black people but now its failed because population is increasing due immigrants and offspring, also they believed that domestic migration will be higher in 2000 but not happen though.
 
sequoias said:
California has a lot of farms in the San Jacquin Valley and Sacramento Valley.

I hope that sprawl won't eat up all the farms in those Valleys when Fresno and Sacramento takes over, freaky! I guess the economy and the price in Bakersfield attracted lot of people there since lot of people couldn't afford a house in LA or SF bay area. I hope they can tolerate the heat there, though.

Hey deafclimber, isn't the sprawl in Atlanta really bad? Since you live there, right?

I hope they would enjoy in dry heat :lol:
 
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