I wanted to buy a dvd from The Great Courses.com entitled "Building Great Sentences: Exploring the Writer's Craft": it was marked down 70% from $255 to $40 and I would LOVE to have it. But the thing is...yeah, you guessed it, no captions. Sigh. Audism can get so blamed tiring.
Audism - The Definition and the Audist View
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I wanted to buy a dvd from The Great Courses.com entitled "Building Great Sentences: Exploring the Writer's Craft": it was marked down 70% from $255 to $40 and I would LOVE to have it. But the thing is...yeah, you guessed it, no captions. Sigh. Audism can get so blamed tiring.
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I have some questions about audism. I've had extensive conversations with people in the past, both live and on this and other forums, and I hate to ask, because I know even in the asking ... well, it's a very tricky subject ... but I'm finding myself baffled by some of the uses of "audism" elsewhere on AD and would like to get some perspective.
I've generally thought of audism as being like pornography in that its something not always easy to define -- I've seen the struggle here in this thread and elsewhere -- but you generally know it when you see it. Typically, the object of audism is a deaf person, as perceived by a hearing person who thinks or otherwise acts in a way that indicates that the deaf person is inferior to a hearing person (smarter, better, what have you) based solely on that difference in hearing.
I've seen situations in which this concept is applied within the deaf world, too, and there it gets a little bit murky. Do you think audism applies to the medically-defined hearing loss levels as well (mild deaf look down on moderate deaf who look down on severe deaf and everyone looks down on profoundly deaf)? Is there a common issue with profoundly deaf seen as 'lesser' or inferior? Either by other deaf in a different place on the spectrum or by the hearing world? If so, how does this play out in practice?
Or is the reverse the reality: are those with milder hearing loss seen as not deaf enough, not really deaf, lesser than those who are profoundly deaf? And is that concept of being 'fully' deaf an example of audism?
If you bring in hearing technology, how does that affect the dynamic: is there more likelihood that the profoundly or severely deaf suddenly perceive themselves or are seen as superior because they have more complex or powerful equipment and increased access to sound, even though they have less actual hearing ability, unaided? Is there a comparison of hearing aids in which one might think his hearing aid is more powerful than another, has more bells & whistles? Is there a brand war, in which some people have high-end brands, and others are wearing, for all intents and purposes, 'off the shelf' aids, that define an individual as being superior on the basis of having access to more high tech or expensive equipment and programming? Is there an audism component in this case?
Thanks!!
I've generally thought of audism as being like pornography in that its something not always easy to define -- I've seen the struggle here in this thread and elsewhere -- but you generally know it when you see it. Typically, the object of audism is a deaf person, as perceived by a hearing person who thinks or otherwise acts in a way that indicates that the deaf person is inferior to a hearing person (smarter, better, what have you) based solely on that difference in hearing.
I've seen situations in which this concept is applied within the deaf world, too, and there it gets a little bit murky. Do you think audism applies to the medically-defined hearing loss levels as well (mild deaf look down on moderate deaf who look down on severe deaf and everyone looks down on profoundly deaf)? Is there a common issue with profoundly deaf seen as 'lesser' or inferior? Either by other deaf in a different place on the spectrum or by the hearing world? If so, how does this play out in practice?
Or is the reverse the reality: are those with milder hearing loss seen as not deaf enough, not really deaf, lesser than those who are profoundly deaf? And is that concept of being 'fully' deaf an example of audism?
If you bring in hearing technology, how does that affect the dynamic: is there more likelihood that the profoundly or severely deaf suddenly perceive themselves or are seen as superior because they have more complex or powerful equipment and increased access to sound, even though they have less actual hearing ability, unaided? Is there a comparison of hearing aids in which one might think his hearing aid is more powerful than another, has more bells & whistles? Is there a brand war, in which some people have high-end brands, and others are wearing, for all intents and purposes, 'off the shelf' aids, that define an individual as being superior on the basis of having access to more high tech or expensive equipment and programming? Is there an audism component in this case?
Thanks!!
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Wow! What a perfect example of the way audism has a negative impact on a deaf individual's motivation to learn. So sad.
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Forms of audism, racism, sexism, and what ever ism you want to name can be found in the culture which spawned them. They are the most destructive forms, in fact.
It seems like the authoritarian personality collects all these prejudices into one bundle. I link it to the "prosperity gospel" mentality, that people who have minimal problems in their lives believe that their god has given them all these things because they are good people. Never mind that those who grow because of adversity, and make good choices in adverse situations have more maturity in their understanding of who God is. God judges us for how well we do with what we have been given.
Then again Daredevil, I thought research had indicated that most monolingal immigrants who do not pick up the language of the dominant culture were basicly old people. Like you know, you'll go to Holyoke (high Pureto Rican population) and there's a lot of people who speak Spanish, but most of them can also speak English. The only ones who are monolingal Spanish are old people.
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This is one example that I get tired of it. If the company are producing a new technology and we always get the last to new products. As one example, I travel sometime for business purpose, about that time when Netflix or Blockbuster just release a new technology that you can download and watch movie on laptop or desktop and I didn't have time to check it out to see if CC supported. The reason I want to watch movie because I know most airline don't provide CC. You know that little monitors that sit behind the seat? ANd you can pick any show you want to watch....well, none of them are CC support. Only thing that is most enjoyable for the deaf people is watch the plane speed, the altitude and the map of where we are...WOW!!! So, finally my plane took off and got a chance to use my laptop then I tested the movie that I downloaded earlier, behold! No CC available...sh*t... it's all useless. So, I got up and went to the lavatory. Then when I'm done with it...I got out and I just noticed all the people sit in front of my eyes...every single one have their headphone on, enjoying watching the movie..some laugh, some smile, some shaking thier head, some are relaxing and I'm the only one in this plane not able to get what everyone else have. So, returning to my windows alse seat... I have two choices...just open my laptop and get back to my research or just to stare through the windows and watch a beautiful sky for the next 7 hours flight.
You know...if they produce a new technology for people to enjoyed ..they should not release it until it's availabe for disability too, Not available later. You know, we always get the last stuff, I'm tired of being the last to use it.
It is ridiculous, SneakerNet, and I will not quit letting management know of their shortcomings, wherever they are. I point out the large untapped market should they gain loyal deaf customers. It is all an uphill struggle, though.
Excellent point. And non-verbal communication also applies to that which is verbal, but has obvious underlying meanings that are not spoken.
I don't mean to be pain but could you explain more what you mean?
She isn't here, so I guess I can reply. Particular word usage with a deeper meaning, like satire or metaphor. Sometimes we have to warn <sarcastic> when we write the opposite of what we mean, because it can't be easily communicated in writing, although it can be communicated IRL. The reason why emoticons are so important on the internet. Or oral emphasis on important words, like my spelling out the word "extremely" on the post to which she was referring. The same things which can be done with sign.
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I wouldnt condone it! I would make those hearing teachers take the test.
Anyone else condones this.
VERY AUDIST!!!!!!!
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Bummer. The irony is that on international flights you're able to watch some films with CC but not domestic flights. Although, on Qantas domestic, they will show news with caption.
Recently I watched Amy Cohen Efron's vlog on youtube regarding this particular subject. She closed her account with netflix all because they didn't caption a film called 'through deaf eyes' plus they don't ensure all films they release have captions.
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Body language and facial expression can totally contradict the words coming out of someone's mouth. And, when we are looking for meaning, research has shown that we will accept the meaning derived from the body language instead of the meaning derived from the words.
In written language, such as posts on this forum, the way things are phrased, the word choice, and the emotion behind the post are telling, just as body language in the above example.
Serious questions from someone who truly wants an answer are never a pain. Keep asking anytime you feel the need to.
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Right on the nail's head. We can read into any posts that contain audist attitude.
Body language and facial expression can totally contradict the words coming out of someone's mouth. And, when we are looking for meaning, research has shown that we will accept the meaning derived from the body language instead of the meaning derived from the words.
In written language, such as posts on this forum, the way things are phrased, the word choice, and the emotion behind the post are telling, just as body language in the above example.
Serious questions from someone who truly wants an answer are never a pain. Keep asking anytime you feel the need to.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. So, even though a person might have the ability to verbally inflect, the reader/listener will take the message from body language first?
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Yes unless they are dubious to it. Some are better at reading body language than others.
rebeccalj said:Body language and facial expression can totally contradict the words coming out of someone's mouth. And, when we are looking for meaning, research has shown that we will accept the meaning derived from the body language instead of the meaning derived from the words.
In written language, such as posts on this forum, the way things are phrased, the word choice, and the emotion behind the post are telling, just as body language in the above example.
Serious questions from someone who truly wants an answer are never a pain. Keep asking anytime you feel the need to.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. So, even though a person might have the ability to verbally inflect, the reader/listener will take the message from body language first?
Yes unless they are dubious to it. Some are better at reading body language than others.
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Exactly. It is in as much what is said as it is in NOT what is said. That is how the attitudes are communicated to others.
Is this a newflash, or something?
