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CyberRed said:
I already have my own passport and it's still good for 10 years. Bought it at Post Office when I used to live in Juneau, Alaska for my trips to Yukon Terrority through Skagway, Alaska by train. :)

Strange enough, when I entered Yukon Terrority in Canada... everythin' was soo cool and friendly. But, when I returned to Alaska, they ( USA border inspector ) were mean and asked me for my ID card. I did showed them my Alaska ID card. They were not satisfied with it and asked me where I was born from ... geez whiz. Told them that I was born in New York City and, then they finally stopped questionin' me. My passport was stuck in my other baggage and it was under my seat. LOL

I guess, I know why they questioned me because, of my race. My skin is olive and I looked more Italian. Grr

Wow, that's quite a adventure u had! :D
 
Okay, can anyone care to explain what does George Orwell's newspeak mean? Pretty please? That is relatively new to me. I know his works but I am not sure what that means.
 
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Newspeak

Newspeak
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Newspeak is a fictional language in George Orwell's famous novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Orwell included an essay about it in the form of an Appendix after the end of the novel, in which the basic principles of the language are explained. Newspeak is closely based on English but has a greatly reduced and simplified vocabulary and grammar. This suited the totalitarian regime of the Party, whose aim was to make subversive thought ("thoughtcrime") and speech impossible.

The Newspeak term for the existing English language was Oldspeak. Oldspeak was supposed to have been completely eclipsed by Newspeak by 2050.

The genesis of Orwell's Newspeak can be seen in his earlier essay, "Politics and the English Language", where he laments the quality of the English of his day, citing examples of dying metaphors, pretentious diction or rhetoric, and meaningless words -- all of which contribute to fuzzy ideas and a lack of logical thinking. Towards the end of this essay, having argued his case, Orwell muses:

I said earlier that the decadence of our language is probably curable. Those who deny this would argue, if they produced an argument at all, that language merely reflects existing social conditions, and that we cannot influence its development by any direct tinkering with words or constructions.
Thus Newspeak is possibly an attempt by Orwell to describe a deliberate intent to exploit this decadence with the aim of oppressing its speakers.

Real-life examples of Newspeak
A comparison to Newspeak may arguably be seen in political rhetoric, where two opposing sides string together phrases so empty of meaning that they may be compared to the taunts young children toss back and forth. The arguments of either side ultimately reduce to "I'm good; he's bad."

Charges of Newspeak are sometimes advanced when a group tries to replace a word/phrase that is politically unsuitable (e.g. "civilian casualties") or offensive (e.g. "murder") with a politically correct or inoffensive one (e.g. "collateral damage"). Some maintain that to make certain words or phrases 'unspeakable' (thoughtcrime), restricts what ideas may be held (Newspeak) and is therefore tantamount to censorship. Others believe that expunging terms that have fallen out of favour or become insulting will make people less likely to hold outdated or offensive views. The intent to alter the minds of the public through changes made to language illustrates Newspeak perfectly.

Either way, there is a resemblance between political correctness and Newspeak, although some may feel that they differ in their intentions: in Nineteen Eighty-Four, Newspeak is instituted to enhance the power of the state over the individual; politically correct language, on the other hand, is said by supporters to free individuals from stereotypical preconceptions caused by the use of prejudicial terminology. It is this attempt to change thought through changing (or eliminating) words that earns political correctness the connection to Newspeak. The main distinction is that politically correct language is often inspired only by politeness, while Newspeak has a more explicit limiting political motivation.

However, there exist striking instances where Orwell's speculation have matched with reality. Orwell suggested that all philosophies prior to Ingsoc (English Socialism) would be covered under the term 'oldthink,' bearing with it none of the nuances of these ideologies, but simply a connotation of badness. Since the Cold War, a similar effect has been wrought on the word 'communism,' where it no longer bears with it, to most people, the doctrines of Marx, Engels, or Lenin, but rather a general bad connotation.

Two examples unrelated to political correctness are Basic English, a language which prides itself on reducing the number of English words, and E-Prime another simplifed version of English.

The U.S. Republican Party has used its think tanks to carefully develop vocabularies as a way to frame the debate favorably for their point of view, beginning in the 1970s and gaining momentum in the 1980s. Thus the "estate tax" was dropped and "death tax" was used instead. A similar effect may be observed in the abortion debates where one side calls themselves "pro-life" and labels the other side "baby killers" to put the most positive and negative lights respectively on the positions. Conversely, the other side calls themselves "pro-choice," and the opposition "anti-choice," to engender similarly positive emotions.

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Newspeak words
Crimestop
Doublethink
Doubleplusgood
Doubleplusungood
Duckspeak
Blackwhite
Ingsoc
Oldspeak
Thoughtcrime (The actual Newspeak word is Crimethink).
Miniluv, Minipax: "Ministry of Love" (secret police) and "Ministry of Peace" (Ministry of War). Compare to abbreviations in real life such as "Nazi" and "Gestapo".
Bellyfeel
Oldthink
Goodthink
Goodsex (chastity) In Oceania the only purpose of sex is the creation of new party members.
Sexcrime (sex that does not lead to the creation of new party members)
Free (only in statements like "This dog is free from lice.") The concepts of "political freedom" and "intellectual freedom" do not exist in Newspeak.
Equal (a statement such as "All men are equal." would only mean "All men are of equal size.") "Political Equality" doesn't even exist as a concept in Newspeak.
Unperson (a person that does not exist) The concept that the person may have existed at one time, and has disappeared, can't be expressed in Newspeak)
Facecrime (an indication that a person is guilty of thoughtcrime based on their facial expression)
The word doublespeak was coined in the early 1950s and it is often incorrectly attributed to George Orwell and his novel. However the word never actually appears in that novel.

That help?
 
Codger said:
That help?
Very much. Many thanks! Right after reading that George Orwell's Newspeak, I can see the effects on people these years... Wow. Speaking of 'framing', I can see why George Lakoff decided to write a book to expose republicans and their way of 'framing'.

Again, thanks for posting, Codger. Appreciated it.
 
All politicians on both sides of the aisle are quite adept at it. Even on a local level. For instance, what is an "assault weapon"? Well, it WAS a fully automatic military rifle with a large 40 round clip or belt fed ammo, sometimes with a bayonet fixed. But now, it is any semi-automatic (self-loading) black rifle capable of firing more than a single round. I think George Stephanopolis the "spinmeister" or "spin doctor" is the posterboy for changing the meaning of words. And not because of any party affiliation. He was just very adept and honed the art that was before and continues today.
 
Codger said:
Newspeak
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Newspeak is a fictional language in George Orwell's famous novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Orwell included an essay about it in the form of an Appendix after the end of the novel, in which the basic principles of the language are explained. Newspeak is closely based on English but has a greatly reduced and simplified vocabulary and grammar. This suited the totalitarian regime of the Party, whose aim was to make subversive thought ("thoughtcrime") and speech impossible.

The Newspeak term for the existing English language was Oldspeak. Oldspeak was supposed to have been completely eclipsed by Newspeak by 2050.

The genesis of Orwell's Newspeak can be seen in his earlier essay, "Politics and the English Language", where he laments the quality of the English of his day, citing examples of dying metaphors, pretentious diction or rhetoric, and meaningless words -- all of which contribute to fuzzy ideas and a lack of logical thinking. Towards the end of this essay, having argued his case, Orwell muses:

I said earlier that the decadence of our language is probably curable. Those who deny this would argue, if they produced an argument at all, that language merely reflects existing social conditions, and that we cannot influence its development by any direct tinkering with words or constructions.
Thus Newspeak is possibly an attempt by Orwell to describe a deliberate intent to exploit this decadence with the aim of oppressing its speakers.

Real-life examples of Newspeak
A comparison to Newspeak may arguably be seen in political rhetoric, where two opposing sides string together phrases so empty of meaning that they may be compared to the taunts young children toss back and forth. The arguments of either side ultimately reduce to "I'm good; he's bad."

Charges of Newspeak are sometimes advanced when a group tries to replace a word/phrase that is politically unsuitable (e.g. "civilian casualties") or offensive (e.g. "murder") with a politically correct or inoffensive one (e.g. "collateral damage"). Some maintain that to make certain words or phrases 'unspeakable' (thoughtcrime), restricts what ideas may be held (Newspeak) and is therefore tantamount to censorship. Others believe that expunging terms that have fallen out of favour or become insulting will make people less likely to hold outdated or offensive views. The intent to alter the minds of the public through changes made to language illustrates Newspeak perfectly.

Either way, there is a resemblance between political correctness and Newspeak, although some may feel that they differ in their intentions: in Nineteen Eighty-Four, Newspeak is instituted to enhance the power of the state over the individual; politically correct language, on the other hand, is said by supporters to free individuals from stereotypical preconceptions caused by the use of prejudicial terminology. It is this attempt to change thought through changing (or eliminating) words that earns political correctness the connection to Newspeak. The main distinction is that politically correct language is often inspired only by politeness, while Newspeak has a more explicit limiting political motivation.

However, there exist striking instances where Orwell's speculation have matched with reality. Orwell suggested that all philosophies prior to Ingsoc (English Socialism) would be covered under the term 'oldthink,' bearing with it none of the nuances of these ideologies, but simply a connotation of badness. Since the Cold War, a similar effect has been wrought on the word 'communism,' where it no longer bears with it, to most people, the doctrines of Marx, Engels, or Lenin, but rather a general bad connotation.

Two examples unrelated to political correctness are Basic English, a language which prides itself on reducing the number of English words, and E-Prime another simplifed version of English.

The U.S. Republican Party has used its think tanks to carefully develop vocabularies as a way to frame the debate favorably for their point of view, beginning in the 1970s and gaining momentum in the 1980s. Thus the "estate tax" was dropped and "death tax" was used instead. A similar effect may be observed in the abortion debates where one side calls themselves "pro-life" and labels the other side "baby killers" to put the most positive and negative lights respectively on the positions. Conversely, the other side calls themselves "pro-choice," and the opposition "anti-choice," to engender similarly positive emotions.

[edit]
Newspeak words
Crimestop
Doublethink
Doubleplusgood
Doubleplusungood
Duckspeak
Blackwhite
Ingsoc
Oldspeak
Thoughtcrime (The actual Newspeak word is Crimethink).
Miniluv, Minipax: "Ministry of Love" (secret police) and "Ministry of Peace" (Ministry of War). Compare to abbreviations in real life such as "Nazi" and "Gestapo".
Bellyfeel
Oldthink
Goodthink
Goodsex (chastity) In Oceania the only purpose of sex is the creation of new party members.
Sexcrime (sex that does not lead to the creation of new party members)
Free (only in statements like "This dog is free from lice.") The concepts of "political freedom" and "intellectual freedom" do not exist in Newspeak.
Equal (a statement such as "All men are equal." would only mean "All men are of equal size.") "Political Equality" doesn't even exist as a concept in Newspeak.
Unperson (a person that does not exist) The concept that the person may have existed at one time, and has disappeared, can't be expressed in Newspeak)
Facecrime (an indication that a person is guilty of thoughtcrime based on their facial expression)
The word doublespeak was coined in the early 1950s and it is often incorrectly attributed to George Orwell and his novel. However the word never actually appears in that novel.

That help?

Wow ! I am thinkin' the same thing as you do about today. Thanks for correctin' me about the word "doublespeak" when I mentioned "double standard".

I think I will just go ahead and give you the link here, because you are thinkin' the same thing as what the link talked about... so much the same as what you've described. I know some people don't like what they read. I hope it benefits to some readers here. :)

Here's the link :
www.newswatchmagazine.org
 
Codger said:
All politicians on both sides of the aisle are quite adept at it. Even on a local level. For instance, what is an "assault weapon"? Well, it WAS a fully automatic military rifle with a large 40 round clip or belt fed ammo, sometimes with a bayonet fixed. But now, it is any semi-automatic (self-loading) black rifle capable of firing more than a single round. I think George Stephanopolis the "spinmeister" or "spin doctor" is the posterboy for changing the meaning of words. And not because of any party affiliation. He was just very adept and honed the art that was before and continues today.
Ah, I can see what you mean. I honestly don't know much about framing, I just learned recently from reading the George Lakoff books (I still read one of books about framing, but I put a hold on that book because of other books that grabbed my attention). Thanks for correcting.
 
CyberRed said:
Wow ! I am thinkin' the same thing as you do about today. Thanks for correctin' me about the word "doublespeak" when I mentioned "double standard".

I think I will just go ahead and give you the link here, because you are thinkin' the same thing as what the link talked about... so much the same as what you've described. I know some people don't like what they read. I hope it benefits to some readers here. :)

Here's the link :
www.newswatchmagazine.org
That site provides few books that I would like to read. *sigh* other books to order... Thanks for the link.
 
I feel the same way about finding books I want to read. I read much too fast, and a good book is done in a day or two. It is heartening that some younger people still enjoy reading!

BTW, the senate defeated the latest illegal alien amnisty bill.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050420-124438-1717r.htm
It sounded like Teddy Kennedy was in favor of it? I dunno.
 
Magatsu said:
That site provides few books that I would like to read. *sigh* other books to order... Thanks for the link.

Let's read past issues first at : http://newswatchmagazine.org/pastissues.shtml

When that link takes you there, be sure to read on the right column to know which magazine you need to read before orderin'. I did that same thing. lol
Those magazines are a MUST to read for me. I couldn't lay them down until I finish readin' them throughly. :lol: FYI, I am a book wormer.

Codger,

Yep, love to read ! It helps to increase insights to understand what's goin' on.
 
Codger said:
I feel the same way about finding books I want to read. I read much too fast, and a good book is done in a day or two. It is heartening that some younger people still enjoy reading!
That is indeed sad because in my peer (speaking of deafies) group, almost none of these people read the informative books beside fiction or fantasy books. Yeah, fantasy or fiction books can be entertaining and eductional to read but it is not enough because it does not reveal more 'realisitic' materials that popped up over all on this earth. But again, that's my opinion. However I do read the fiction or fantasy books as take a break from reading the informative books.

You can 'kill' a book in one or two days? Jeez, I wish I have that speed reading skill. Care to trade?

Codger said:
BTW, the senate defeated the latest illegal alien amnisty bill.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050420-124438-1717r.htm
It sounded like Teddy Kennedy was in favor of it? I dunno.
I am quite disappointed with Teddy Kennedy about that one.

There is... interesting comment concerning about immigrants that I want to post:


On his nationally syndicated radio program, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly seconded a caller's assertions regarding illegal immigration -- that, with the numerous diseases "the illegals" purportedly bring to this country, "each one of those people is a biological weapon," and that the impact of illegal immigration "equals and surpasses the impact of 9-11." To those assertions, O'Reilly responded, "You might be right," and speculated about the consequences for the United States of having "11 million [undocumented immigrants] running around unsupervised."

From the April 15 broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:
CALLER: Hi, Bill. The point of my call today is I'd like to take a different look at illegal immigration. I believe that it has the same impact as a major terrorist attack. And here's what I mean. If you take the sum total of the economic consequences of illegal immigration, and also consider that the illegals crossing the border, that are coming across with, say, tuberculosis, syphilis, leprosy -- each one of those people is a biological weapon.

And, I believe that illegal immigration is -- equals and surpasses the impact of 9-11. And it is incumbent upon the president to close the borders.

O'REILLY: You might be right, [caller]. And, if you look at it that way, you've got 11 million at least here, unsupervised. Nobody knows the condition they're in. And you have 3,000 dead from 9-11.

So, you got 11 million running around unsupervised now. You got 3,000 dead on 9-11, so you do the math and you say, "Well, how many of these 11 million people have impacted negatively on American citizens?" I think you could probably make an absolutely airtight case that more than 3,000 Americans have been either killed or injured, based upon the 11 million illegals who are here.

You could make that case. And, you would be absolutely right. But the reason that President Bush and President Clinton and President Bush the elder, and President Reagan and President Carter all got away with doing nothing to secure the borders of the United States is that this is a shadow world. Most of us don't see it. We don't see pictures like we saw on 9-11, of planes crashing into buildings. We don't see dead people in the street. We don't see weeping widows -- we don't see it.
Source: http://mediamatters.org/items/200504190002
 
CyberRed said:
Let's read past issues first at : http://newswatchmagazine.org/pastissues.shtml

When that link takes you there, be sure to read on the right column to know which magazine you need to read before orderin'. I did that same thing. lol
Those magazines are a MUST to read for me. I couldn't lay them down until I finish readin' them throughly. :lol: FYI, I am a book wormer.

Codger,

Yep, love to read ! It helps to increase insights to understand what's goin' on.
I took your advice and looked through these articles. Seem that Newswatch is a conspriacy-watch organization? I am not sure about magazine but I am more interested in their books (GMO is one of them).

I will browse bit more at some book stores to see if I can pick up these magazine and read.
 
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