Angry Parents Suing Calif. Schls. Over Mandatory Gay-Friendly Classes

sallylou said:
Parents are supposed to teach kids their values but children often reject them. I think that this is what parents are afraid of.
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Well, I rejected liberal values that my family gave me. I'm sure there are liberals changed into conservatives, just like conservatives changed into liberals...

I'm not surprise if anybody tell me that is wrong to change from liberal to conservative because liberal means it must stay liberal... =/
 
That's my point, Karissa. When you became an adult, you got to decide. That's the way it should be. No one should be forced to live in a way that they don't agree with. Good for you making up your own mind.
 
sallylou said:
That's my point, Karissa. When you became an adult, you got to decide. That's the way it should be. No one should be forced to live in a way that they don't agree with. Good for you making up your own mind.
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Sorry to be blunt here...

In my old HS, kids pissed off at me cos I didn't support gay marriage or a several things I didn't agree with, and they imposed their beliefs on me... later, I now support gay marriage but I went to be conservative and some people I know who are not happy about it. They told me it is wrong if liberals change into conservatives. Well, I still don't tell my family that I'm actually conservative since my family is so hardcare liberal... I lost some friends for my little belief...

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Well, not supporting liberal angera (sp) doesn't make me closed-mind. Just saying.
 
I am having a hard time following everyone's reply, with outside marriages and etc.. like it derailed..

I am back on the topic, its force, its wrong, where is our freedom for those families with traditional and moral value being protected? There is no choice for those kind of people? Its shoving it down our throat for those who believe traditional and moral value to accept this kind of teaching to our children. When the tables are turned liberals can't stand when conservatives are promoting protect marriage and family values. Oh, we are forcing the mention of religion blah blah to them, while they are doing the same thing back to moral and traditional value families. They are doing this without permission by the parents, sad.
 
The highest divorce rate is among evangelical Christians. Just saying. Hard to be the moral marriage protectors when the divorce rate is so high.

I think that people are skeptical when someone says that they promote morals and family values because there are so many hypocrites. Not you in particular but people in general. I think, gee, if they are so moral, why do they have to go around telling people about it. I'm a girl scout and I don't go around telling people how good I am. It's like they doth protest too much. Perhaps I've been jaded by the Ted Haggerts of the world.
 
sallylou said:
The highest divorce rate is among evangelical Christians. Just saying. Hard to be the moral marriage protectors when the divorce rate is so high.

I think that people are skeptical when someone says that they promote morals and family values because there are so many hypocrites. Not you in particular but people in general. I think, gee, if they are so moral, why do they have to go around telling people about it. I'm a girl scout and I don't go around telling people how good I am. It's like they doth protest too much. Perhaps I've been jaded by the Ted Haggerts of the world.
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Okay. Well, I'm definitely not an evangelical Christian... I'm just some Believer....
 
yizuman said:
I oppose this kind of thing. Kindergardens?? How the heck are they gonna understand what being gay and lesbian is about? They're too young to understand that sort of thing.

I also oppose schools teaching things that only parents should be teaching, especially about sex. That's supposed to be the parent's job, not the schools.

Schools are trying to become parents to the kids instead of the parents themselves.

Same goes for religion and all else that is considered impersonal.

I don't hate gays, but I don't have to agree with their lifestyles. There's a big difference there. Same goes for religion and political beliefs. Preferably I rather let the kids become 18 to decide for themselves what they want to believe and not before that.

Yiz
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In bold, gay, lesbian and bisexual aren't lifestyle, it's not personal choice because it came from your mental, there's interesting detail about GLB.
Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality
 
kokonut said:
Family values are good. The positive kinds, I mean.
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Gay and lesbian aren't harmful to family value so matters and I had seen gay/lesbian parent with children and they are just fine.
 
sallylou said:
The highest divorce rate is among evangelical Christians. Just saying. Hard to be the moral marriage protectors when the divorce rate is so high.

I think that people are skeptical when someone says that they promote morals and family values because there are so many hypocrites. Not you in particular but people in general. I think, gee, if they are so moral, why do they have to go around telling people about it. I'm a girl scout and I don't go around telling people how good I am. It's like they doth protest too much. Perhaps I've been jaded by the Ted Haggerts of the world.
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Agreed but unfortunately, I cannot make comment because religious discussion aren't allowed in AD.
 
Oceanblue7 said:
I am having a hard time following everyone's reply, with outside marriages and etc.. like it derailed..

I am back on the topic, its force, its wrong, where is our freedom for those families with traditional and moral value being protected? There is no choice for those kind of people? Its shoving it down our throat for those who believe traditional and moral value to accept this kind of teaching to our children. When the tables are turned liberals can't stand when conservatives are promoting protect marriage and family values. Oh, we are forcing the mention of religion blah blah to them, while they are doing the same thing back to moral and traditional value families. They are doing this without permission by the parents, sad.
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I wouldnt mind if my children learn about religion, conservatives and their views. I would want them have a wide exposure to different people.

My mom was very anti-religion but she let me go to church with some of my friends because I was curious about it and I thank her for it.

I dont think the curriculm is forcing anything down on these children..just teaching them about the diversity and not to bully others who are from different families. That's how I see it. IMO, I think all children need to learn about it but dont need to learn the explicit material.
 
That's fine with me if anyone who against on gay marriage or whatever, longer as they don't make homophobia against gay people or commit hate crime, such as attack on gay people. Gay marriage has been conversational and highly debate so I don't feel like want debate about it.

I do understand about some people who against on GLBT due religious or moral reason but I have felt that is no excuse in my opinion, however they can believe whatever they want, except for homophobia and hate crime. In other way, I had felt that some of conservative views are highly value in some cases.
 
shel90 said:
We have tried that...a bullying course. Didnt work.

Children need to learn about diversity.
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Exactly. Since when is diversity awareness indoctrination? Just another example of the closed mindedness that pervades the country right now. It is the closed mindedness that is creating the problems, not the diversity education.
 
The contested California curriculum includes an annual 45-minute LGBT lesson taught to kids from kindergarten through the fifth grade. The kindergartners will focus on the harms of teasing, while the fifth graders will study sexual orientation stereotypes.

This is an ANNUAL 45 min lesson. Kindergarteners will focus on the harms of teasing..NOTHING about learning about what people do behind closed doors. Geez! :roll:

If they were going to teach the sex acts between gay people to my kindergartener, sure I wouldnt think it was appropriate but I strongly doubt that is part of the lesson.

People are overreacting, IMO! I am sorry to be blunt but come on.
 
shel90 said:
I wouldnt mind if my children learn about religion, conservatives and their views. I would want them have a wide exposure to different people.

My mom was very anti-religion but she let me go to church with some of my friends because I was curious about it and I thank her for it.

I dont think the curriculm is forcing anything down on these children..just teaching them about the diversity and not to bully others who are from different families. That's how I see it. IMO, I think all children need to learn about it but dont need to learn the explicit material.
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Exactly. They are not promoting any one lifestyle over another. They are simply educating as to the variety of family systems that exist in our society today. Long gone is the 1950's idea of a nuclear family. Nothing wrong with telling kids: "Some kids have 2 mommies. Some kids have 2 daddies. Some kids live with their grandparents. Some kids have only a mommy or a daddy. It may be different from your family, but it is a family all the same."
 
shel90 said:
The contested California curriculum includes an annual 45-minute LGBT lesson taught to kids from kindergarten through the fifth grade. The kindergartners will focus on the harms of teasing, while the fifth graders will study sexual orientation stereotypes.

This is an ANNUAL 45 min lesson. Kindergarteners will focus on the harms of teasing..NOTHING about learning about what people do behind closed doors. Geez! :roll:

If they were going to teach the sex acts between gay people to my kindergartener, sure I wouldnt think it was appropriate but I strongly doubt that is part of the lesson.

People are overreacting, IMO! I am sorry to be blunt but come on.
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Exactly. This is a comprehensive counseling curriculum designed to teach diversity. People are not thinking, but are acting on their own prejudices. The only thing that teaches a kid is bigotry, and God knows there is enough of that ignorance already.
 
Reba said:
That doesn't answer my question. By "discuss" do you mean the teacher would tell the class which kinds of sexual behavior are right or wrong? What kind of format would this discussion be? What kind of curriculum?

OK how about this: a once a week for half a school year, 30 minute course on various sexual subjects? Not passing judgments, just open discussion within a classroom. They could include sex ed, orientation, and perhaps reproductive issues in the news, such as abortion and pro-choice. They could use video, textbooks, and Internet articles for the instruction. I know you are against abortion, so I am not going to debate that here.


I am saying that sexual relations outside of the marriage of one woman and one man is wrong.
Understood. Not saying I agree, but this is your position.

I am NOT saying that those who disagree with me should be called names, bullied, beat up, or hated.
I agree 100% with the anti bullying.

My "kid" is 36 years old. When she was little the question didn't come up.
We are similar ages, you and I. It never crossed my mind that guys would like guys when I was young, etc.


OK
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Thank you for your honest replies.
 
Jillio, in few years ago, my grandma had tried to took me to conversion therapy aka reparative therapy after she found that I'm bisexual and it don't work on me but rather to commit suicide so I got under control after saw mental therapist.

Conversion therapy is big joke...
 
Foxrac said:
Jillio, in few years ago, my grandma had tried to took me to conversion therapy aka reparative therapy after she found that I'm bisexual and it don't work on mine but rather to commit suicide so I got under control after saw mental therapist.

Conversion therapy is big joke...
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I agree. Conversion therapy makes people feel guilty for being who they are. It is horrible.
 
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