Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing Announces 2010 Awa

flip said:
One can't make money on charity without pissing off people. They only give awards to congressmen and politicans. This is classic lobbying.

To me, AG Bell is more about dollars than oralism and resistance towards ASL. This chase for for the mighty dollar, profiting on fear of deafness, is only easy to detect for the deaf population, the rest is too easy to trick. We see lots of this kind of charity bussines in africa, where westerns profit on poor africans. One don't necessary get rich, but this creates jobs for many idiots. The same game, just different players and victims.

To raise more money, NAD should perhaps start charity to aid oral deaf victims. Make campaign with oral deaf people with wide big sore eyes and enormously fat lips, half the face lowered, bleeding from infections behind the ear, cared by movie stars like Deanna and Marlee and some calvin klein models acting deaf. Get economical support from people who want to buy feelgood. Give awards to infamous congressmen that hunger for attention.
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That is disgusting. If NAD stooped to that kind of ad, they would lose my support and membership.
 
flip said:
DBC is not more against CI than the whole deaf population. For them to be against CI it has to be in a charter, and it's not. Members of DBC holds different views. I think you are a bit oversensitive on this CI thing? It's natural that AFA have a more hostile stance toward CI in general, as CI and audism often goes hand in hand. Even you have to admit it.

But, hey, we are talking about AG Bell here, they have far less support than AFA and DBC among the deaf population. Among parents, I am not that sure..
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Even with AB bell, I am not sure they are totally against ASL as long as speaking and listening is the child's Main language... While DBC prefer if ASL is the first language and perhap the main language.
 
TXgolfer said:
I still think CI's in babies is wrong.....Just don't believe anything should be stuck in someones head by choice (non emergency) without that person's consent
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Then don't implant your child. You absolutly have that right. But you do NOT have the right to prevent me from giving my daughter the opportunity to hear and learn spoken language. That door was completely closed to her with hearing aids. Now she has the chance to have a better relationship with her extended family, neighbors, etc because she can communicate with them. Why should your opinion hold her communication, access and options back?
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Even with AB bell, I am not sure they are totally against ASL as long as speaking and listening is the child's Main language... While DBC prefer if ASL is the first language and perhap the main language.
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I went to our state AG Bell conference. (Wrote all about it on my blog) The keynote speaker clearly stated, time and again, that there are kids who need ASL, and that they will be language deprived without it. She said that communication is the key, that mode didn't matter. She said that sign is good and that there are kids that will never be fluent English language users and they need ASL from the start. She said there is a difference between speaking and words and real language, and a percentage of kids can never get to the language level so their language MUST be ASL. She recommends ASL and uses it.

In my opinion, the current AG Bell advocates listening and speaking and supports that choice. They are experts in that field and use that knowledge to support those who have made that choice. They do not advocate against any other choice.
 
souggy said:
You're a libertarian, eh?
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I guess I am Pro-Choice....I support a persons right to chose what they want done to their body. A person should be able to decide if they want to have a magnet placed next to their brain while it is still developing. Like I said in another thread. I use magnets for therapy on my wrist and knee. Many do. If the magnets can have that kind of effect on those tissues, who is to say it won't have an affect on the brain?????
 
TXgolfer said:
I guess I am Pro-Choice....I support a persons right to chose what they want done to their body. A person should be able to decide if they want to have a magnet placed next to their brain while it is still developing. Like I said in another thread. I use magnets for therapy on my wrist and knee. Many do. If the magnets can have that kind of effect on those tissues, who is to say it won't have an affect on the brain?????
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Heh... my reasons for being against CI implantation at birth is the same reason why my mom refused that option as well, albeit hers was a religious reason; mine is more of a philosophical one that stem from the Enlightenment: free choice.
 
TXgolfer said:
I guess I am Pro-Choice....I support a persons right to chose what they want done to their body. A person should be able to decide if they want to have a magnet placed next to their brain while it is still developing. Like I said in another thread. I use magnets for therapy on my wrist and knee. Many do. If the magnets can have that kind of effect on those tissues, who is to say it won't have an affect on the brain?????
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oh thats true about magnets for therapy on wrist and knee. I have never thought of how much will it affects next to brain.
 
TXgolfer said:
I guess I am Pro-Choice....I support a persons right to chose what they want done to their body. A person should be able to decide if they want to have a magnet placed next to their brain while it is still developing. Like I said in another thread. I use magnets for therapy on my wrist and knee. Many do. If the magnets can have that kind of effect on those tissues, who is to say it won't have an affect on the brain?????
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25 years of studies have shown no effect. And if you don't want one, that's great. But why should you close that door for my child?
 
faire_jour said:
Then don't implant your child. You absolutly have that right. But you do NOT have the right to prevent me from giving my daughter the opportunity to hear and learn spoken language. That door was completely closed to her with hearing aids. Now she has the chance to have a better relationship with her extended family, neighbors, etc because she can communicate with them. Why should your opinion hold her communication, access and options back?
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I have the right to express my opinion.

My opinion is

A) Suggesting that someone who is deaf has a lesser relationship with extended family is uninformed and insensitive.

B) An immediate lesson is being taught by those parents to look for a way out rather than meeting circumstances head-on.

C) Parents who do this are putting a baby at risk of a long list of side effects for the sake of conversation. It's like they are telling the child it was worth the risk of death from surgery or a lifetime of pain just so we didn't have to adapt to communicating with you.

Maybe a kid that gets a CI at ten is behind others.......but at least they got to decide for themselves if the risk was worth it.
 
TXgolfer said:
I have the right to express my opinion.

My opinion is

A) Suggesting that someone who is deaf has a lesser relationship with extended family is uninformed and insensitive.

B) An immediate lesson is being taught by those parents to look for a way out rather than meeting circumstances head-on.

C) Parents who do this are putting a baby at risk of a long list of side effects for the sake of conversation. It's like they are telling the child it was worth the risk of death from surgery or a lifetime of pain just so we didn't have to adapt to communicating with you.

Maybe a kid that gets a CI at ten is behind others.......but at least they got to decide for themselves if the risk was worth it.
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I said that MY daughter has a better relationship with her family, because she does. That is not insensitive, or uninformed. It is a fact.

Also, parents do not choose CI's because they are lazy. The opposite is true. Learning ASL was way easier than being an oral parent!

And lastly, I am giving my child more. More opportunities, more tools, more open doors. That is better than not giving a proven safe and effective tool because of fear.
 
flip said:
One can't make money on charity without pissing off people. They only give awards to congressmen and politicans. This is classic lobbying.

To me, AG Bell is more about dollars than oralism and resistance towards ASL. This chase for for the mighty dollar, profiting on fear of deafness, is only easy to detect for the deaf population, the rest is too easy to trick. We see lots of this kind of charity bussines in africa, where westerns profit on poor africans. One don't necessary get rich, but this creates jobs for many idiots. The same game, just different players and victims.

To raise more money, NAD should perhaps start charity to aid oral deaf victims. Make campaign with oral deaf people with wide big sore eyes and enormously fat lips, half the face lowered, bleeding from infections behind the ear, cared by movie stars like Deanna and Marlee and some calvin klein models acting deaf. Get economical support from people who want to buy feelgood. Give awards to infamous congressmen that hunger for attention.
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:gpost:

I know someone high up in the NAD ranks so I will talk to him and can I suggest your idea of starting a charity to aide oral deaf people. I wouldnt suggest the ad though..lol
 
faire_jour said:
I said that MY daughter has a better relationship with her family, because she does. That is not insensitive, or uninformed. It is a fact.

Also, parents do not choose CI's because they are lazy. The opposite is true. Learning ASL was way easier than being an oral parent!

And lastly, I am giving my child more. More opportunities, more tools, more open doors. That is better than not giving a proven safe and effective tool because of fear.
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I do not recall that you mentioned it in the bold words, before, did you? :hmm:

whatever your decision is with your girl is fine by me. i know she has been working so hard and it's good. just don't be upset whatever how some people think about CIs. Like i dont get upset over your words "close the doors" repeatedly.
 
Frisky Feline said:
I do not recall that you mentioned it in the bold words, before, did you? :hmm:

whatever your decision is with your girl is fine by me. i know she has been working so hard and it's good. just don't be upset whatever how some people think about CIs. Like i dont get upset over your words "close the doors" repeatedly.
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I have said it before. When we were simply an ASL family life was so much easier! Now I have to learn about technology, stratigies, worry about if stuff is working, evaluate her auditory sills vs. language....etc, etc, etc. Things were simplier pre-spoken language.
 
Frisky Feline said:
I do not recall that you mentioned it in the bold words, before, did you? :hmm:

whatever your decision is with your girl is fine by me. i know she has been working so hard and it's good. just don't be upset whatever how some people think about CIs. Like i dont get upset over your words "close the doors" repeatedly.
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I agree with you that is not a nice thing to say. By not choosing a CI, people "close" the doors but like you I have chosen to ignore that statement even though I dont like it.
 
faire_jour said:
I have said it before. When we were simply an ASL family life was so much easier! Now I have to learn about technology, stratigies, worry about if stuff is working, evaluate her auditory sills vs. language....etc, etc, etc. Things were simplier pre-spoken language.
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Then if being an ASL family is so much easier then why do so many parents make the excuse of never learning it if it was so easy?
 
shel90 said:
Then if being an ASL family is so much easier then why do so many parents make the excuse of never learning it if it was so easy?
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I make no excuses for a parent who doesn't learn ASL, especially if their child uses it.
 
shel90 said:
I agree with you that is not a nice thing to say. By not choosing a CI, people "close" the doors but like you I have chosen to ignore that statement even though I dont like it.
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It is closing a door. By not implanting my child, I would have absolutly been choosing to not give her access to hearing spoken language. I would be disallowing her that opportunity.
 
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