Acoustic Characteristics of the Speech of Young Cochlear Implant Users

[jillio]

Really!!
And how did you get to that complete misunderstanding...???
As I recall, all three of us are raising / have raised a deaf child.... do you really believe the nonsense you posted?

She has lived it. Quite simple really. Her perspective is from one who has experienced it. Your perspective is from one who has observed it, and refuses to give validity to those who have experienced it.

 

[jillio]

Yeh, sometimes. I haven't met those people yet. Not here.

Sometimes it is parents that do not take the responsibility and do not make a decision, but are letting the child decide....
How selfish is that?

And then there are the parents that look around, investigate, make the best decision for the child, and work with the child to get the best results....
These parents I see here....

Exactly how do you see a parent who learns another language, provides speech therapy, hearing aids, exposure to the Deaf community, an enrichened liguistic environment, and involvement in their child's education as selfish? That is a parent that has changed much of their own way of life in order to accommodate their child's needs. They have put their child's needs first and foremost. Nothing selfish about it.

 

[jillio]

that is true, for me it worked. I used an FM system and note takers for both my bachlors and masters programs. so we can agree that for some it works and some it does not. It depends on the individual person.

I have a non-treaditional student right now that uses the same accommodations. However, she was late deafened (her teens) and has a mild to moderate loss. Then, I have 3 prelingually deafened students with CI that require sign terps.

 

[Cheri]

She has lived it. Quite simple really. Her perspective is from one who has experienced it. Your perspective is from one who has observed it, and refuses to give validity to those who have experienced it.

That's absolutely correct, those parents are not in the classroom full time to see how well their child is learning, and what difficulties that the child is experiencing. It depends how big and how small those difficulty levels are.

 

[jillio]

But, hearing parents know their child's needs better than we do? We learned from our past experiences that our hearing parents don't always make the best decision or choices based on our needs. This is one reason why the mainly of us are here for to guide those hearing parents.

They really needs to pay attention and focus on their child's needs. If they're failing for a reason, that reason could be the choice or decision those parents gave them, it needs to be change to a different approach to make them improve. Even If the parents must learn a whole new language they cannot give their child limited opportunities what they think is best for themselves, they have do what's appropriate and what would work better for their child.

I grew up half of my life in oral method schooling, I spend half of my life relying on educating myself by lip-reading and speech. Until one person brought up sign language to my Dad, I was then send to another public school and an interpreter was given to me for the first time, I didn't feel blend in at the begin because it was different. Then I learned how easy it was having an interpreter translating everything the teacher was saying, total communication was the best out of all for myself, If I wasn't close to my teacher to see exactly what is being said it wouldn't be close to 100% accuracy. signs would be my back up in case there's some frustration. Most public school programs have been using a method of education called "Total Communication." so no child will be left behind, it beats sitting in an oral classroom with other hearing children trying to catch on word by word of what the teacher is saying.

That is my whole philosophy, Cheri. Who best knows what it is to live as a deaf child and what the needs were that were not met for them as a child. Who knows that experience from the inside out? Is it the hearing doctor, the hearing audiologist, the hearing general education teacher, the hearing special ed teacher, the hearing adminsitrators? It think not. The only person who knows completely what it is to live the life and experience the needs of a deaf child is a deaf adult who has been there. When making decision regarding our deaf children, if we are not taking that valuable information into account and using it when we make our decisions, we are doing a great disservice to our children.

 

[jillio]

I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I have asked more than once:

If a terp misses a class, there is a back up plan for a child so they do not miss information. That back up plan is in place on the first day of classes.

What is the back up plan for the oral child who relies on CI alone to get information in the classroom in the event that the CI malfunctions? Can't get a substitute CI to take over.

 

[vallee]

I have a non-treaditional student right now that uses the same accommodations. However, she was late deafened (her teens) and has a mild to moderate loss. Then, I have 3 prelingually deafened students with CI that require sign terps.

From what I have been reading about prelingually deafness and postlingually deafness, you can fall into several catergatories(correct me if I am wrong)

Prelingually is birth to age 3
postlingually is after 3

So you can have a hearing loss prelingually and a postlingually deafness.

I know off topic, just wanted to find out that info.

In college I had a profound severe hearing loss with that type of accomodations. Most of my left ear's hearing was completely gone.

 

[vallee]

That is my whole philosophy, Cheri. Who best knows what it is to live as a deaf child and what the needs were that were not met for them as a child. Who knows that experience from the inside out? Is it the hearing doctor, the hearing audiologist, the hearing general education teacher, the hearing special ed teacher, the hearing adminsitrators? It think not. The only person who knows completely what it is to live the life and experience the needs of a deaf child is a deaf adult who has been there. When making decision regarding our deaf children, if we are not taking that valuable information into account and using it when we make our decisions, we are doing a great disservice to our children.

May I ask if my opinion is counted since I am also a deaf adult? Even if I have a different opinion, my views are should still acount for something.

 

[vallee]

I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I have asked more than once:

If a terp misses a class, there is a back up plan for a child so they do not miss information. That back up plan is in place on the first day of classes.

What is the back up plan for the oral child who relies on CI alone to get information in the classroom in the event that the CI malfunctions? Can't get a substitute CI to take over.

I don't know the answer for the first question, but I do know my audie has a backup if I need it. I did ask that when I started this. I think it would depend on audie. Also children with HA also run into this problem - broken aids and batteries.

 

[Cheri]

May I ask if my opinion is counted since I am also a deaf adult? Even if I have a different opinion, my views are should still acount for something.

That's depends on the question of are you on the parents side or the children's side? What would your answer be?

 

[Kaitin]

May I ask if my opinion is counted since I am also a deaf adult? Even if I have a different opinion, my views are should still acount for something.

Of course, Vallee. Your view counts as one person like anyone else in AD and one person's view (your, mine, anyone) doesn't give much information for other people, especially in different situations. So history and research give more information to me.

 

[loml]

Improving Speech/Lip reading

CS improves the speechreading capabilities of profoundly deaf students.

Clarke, B. & Ling, D. (1976) "The Effects of Using Cued Speech: A Follow-up Study" The Volta Review, 78, 23-24.
CS instruction improved the speechreading ability of hearing subjects.

Chilson, R. F. (1979) "Effects of Cued Speech on Lipreading Ability."
Master's thesis, University of Rhode Island.

Neef, N. & Iwata, B. (1985) "The Development of Generative Lipreading Skills in Deaf Persons Using Cued Speech."
in Analysis and Intervention in Developmental Disabilities, Vol. 5, pp. 289-305.
CS significantly improved speechreading abilities of prelingually deaf persons. This study analyzed the process.

Kaplan, H. (1974) "The effects of Cued Speech on the speechreadingability of the deaf."
Doctoral dissertation, University of Maryland.

 

[vallee]

That's depends on the question of are you on the parents side or the children's side? What would your answer be?

Of course I am on the child's side. I know how growing up HOH/deaf is.

I also believe in giving parents and children all sides and resources. They need to see all the types of communicates - Total communications, ASl, oral. They need to know the pro and cons of each. to me this is the most important part, the family need to all use it together and practice it together. And if a child is not progress or unhappy, parents and children need to know it is okay to change. There is not one way to educate a child. My motto is Each and every child - not all means all.

 

[Cheri]

Of course I am on the child's side. I know how growing up HOH/deaf is.

I also believe in giving parents and children all sides and resources. They need to see all the types of communicates - Total communications, ASl, oral. They need to know the pro and cons of each. to me this is the most important part, the family need to all use it together and practice it together. And if a child is not progress or unhappy, parents and children need to know it is okay to change. There is not one way to educate a child. My motto is Each and every child - not all means all.

That's one of the best post I've read from you, vallee. I agree with everything you stated. besides not all parents can tell that the child is happy with what processing he/she is doing in school. I never told my dad that oral method wasn't working for me 100 percent nor did I ever knew there was ever a different approach that could work better for me.

 

[vallee]

I love research, I believe in most of it. Not all research is valid. I remember my professor saying the best form of research is only 5 years old, not more than 7. If technology is changing then you should wait for current research. Also it depends on if the research is bias. Some of it is. We have discussed research published that has been funded by companies to promote a product. To me that research can be invalid, not all the time.

What is your views Kaitlyn?

 

[vallee]

That's one of the best post I've read from you, vallee. I agree with everything you stated. besides not all parents can tell that the child is happy with what processing he/she is doing in school. I never told my dad that oral method wasn't working for me 100 percent nor did I ever knew there was ever a different approach that could work better for me.

thank you, I can agree. I never told my mom that I needed new HA. I thought I was hearing just fine. It was one of my teachers who asked me to talk to her and saw the loss of hearing. She made a comment to my mom and then mom made an appointment that day. New HA in a week, but that is my mom.

Parents need to know there are resources and people around to help.

 

[Kaitin]

I love research, I believe in most of it. Not all research is valid. I remember my professor saying the best form of research is only 5 years old, not more than 7. If technology is changing then you should wait for current research. Also it depends on if the research is bias. Some of it is. We have discussed research published that has been funded by companies to promote a product. To me that research can be invalid, not all the time.

What is your views Kaitlyn?

I agree with a lot of your post, Vallee

But I respectfully disagree about "the best form of research is only 5 years old, not more than 7". Research done 100s of years ago about gravity is good today. Miller's apparatus from 1950s in Biology still gives scientists ideas about the origin of life. And probably some research 2 years ago about stem cell research now is too old.

But bias is a big issue. I am suspicious about research from a company with a financial interest. Yes, maybe the research is valid but maybe not. I have a problem with some CI research because of this - the articles seem limited to show more positives than negatives sometimes.

I first talked about research because you ask about if your view counts for something. To me, people's experience counts, but less than most research. I would not accept a study with one subject and no limits - and this is like one person's experience. When I have a difficult decision I try to look at research for basic understanding. People's experience is more emotional - "this hurt", "I felt great", "I was confused" etc. And is more interesting usually (sometimes not ).

Also I want to know history. Research in science tells you about today, but history matters to me. For example, if you don't know that in the past schools for the deaf prohibited ASL and forced oral, and Alexander Graham Bell thought deaf are a "defective race" and promoted oral, then probably you don't understand a lot of deaf/HoH people's view of oral or parents etc who don't learn ASL for deaf kids.

So a balance I guess, with suspicion about everything without being paranoid. :P

 

[jillio]

From what I have been reading about prelingually deafness and postlingually deafness, you can fall into several catergatories(correct me if I am wrong)

Prelingually is birth to age 3
postlingually is after 3

So you can have a hearing loss prelingually and a postlingually deafness.

I know off topic, just wanted to find out that info.

In college I had a profound severe hearing loss with that type of accomodations. Most of my left ear's hearing was completely gone.

Well, you are correct about the designations. What you would have had was a progressive loss. A prelingual loss will affect langauge development if it is severe enough. Even a mild loss will impact language acquisition prelingually. Since you were post lingual, you had the opportunity to acquire language through auditory channels, and then with the loss being progressive, you had the opportunity to develop that langauge before your loss became severe to profound. That would give you an advantage in interpreting sound through the FM system,and also provides an advantage in lip reading skills.

So, a child can have a mild loss prelingually that progresses to a profound loss at a later time. However, they would be considered to be prelingual if the loss from birth to age 3 was sufficient to impact langauge acquisition.

Correct me if I am wrong about your loss being progressive.

 

[jillio]

From what I have been reading about prelingually deafness and postlingually deafness, you can fall into several catergatories(correct me if I am wrong)

Prelingually is birth to age 3
postlingually is after 3

So you can have a hearing loss prelingually and a postlingually deafness.

I know off topic, just wanted to find out that info.

In college I had a profound severe hearing loss with that type of accomodations. Most of my left ear's hearing was completely gone.

Well, you are correct about the designations. What you would have had was a progressive loss. A prelingual loss will affect langauge development if it is severe enough. Even a mild loss will impact language acquisition prelingually. Since you were post lingual, you had the opportunity to acquire language through auditory channels, and then with the loss being progressive, you had the opportunity to develop that langauge before your loss became severe to profound. That would give you an advantage in interpreting sound through the FM system,and also provides an advantage in lip reading skills.

So, a child can have a mild loss prelingually that progresses to a profound loss at a later time. However, they would be considered to be prelingual if the loss from birth to age 3 was sufficient to impact langauge acquisition.

Correct me if I am wrong about your loss being progressive.

Oops...double post. Mods: please remove.

 

[jillio]

May I ask if my opinion is counted since I am also a deaf adult? Even if I have a different opinion, my views are should still acount for something.

Of course your opinion counts, vallee. The only thing I am pointing out is the issues of a prelingually deaf child, and a post-lingually deaf adult are different. When setting educational policy for deaf children, these are things that need to be considered. That does not invalidate your opinions.