A hate crime....

[saywhatkid]

Food for thought... isn't hate crime somewhat of a premeditated crime?

Well, yes and no. A person that has racist mentality has been hating for a long time, and that old black man that stepped out in front ot the racist white guy got beat, not because it was a spur of the moment crime, but because he was building up to it for years with his racism.

How did I do?

 

[jillio]

Food for thought... isn't hate crime somewhat of a premeditated crime?

Yes.

 

[DaveM]

What protected class are you referring to? There is only one protected class in this nation.

I'm not sure I understand you.

Hate crime laws make various ethnicity's, sexual orientations, and religions a protected class.

For example: if an overweight child is mocked, terrorized and bullied the law see's that as less severe than doing the same to a person of a religious minority. Both of these examples are hateful and hurtful.

Why prioritize the value of one human being over another?

 

[rolling7]

Someone get the orderlies.

You finally concede and are calling them for yourself. Great!

 

[kokonut]

 

[saywhatkid]

Post articles and watch. Nothing new here.

 

[Jiro]

Just in case. no one gets this.. It's vandalism if you spray graffiti that has no political message on the building.

If you spray Kike or Niggar on it it's a hate crime because the intent is to degrade and spread fear among the minority community by spraying hateful words building owned by the Jewish or the African American community.

the law is very explicit about it.

if you're spray-painting swastika at synagogue for no reason other than just a stupid fun, you would not be charged with hate crime. In order to be charged with hate crime, they'll have to prove that you have documented history of anti-Semitism.

it's just plain dang silly of people to think that you can be charged with hate crime just for spraying swastika on some abandoned building or simply yelling - "You F**king Jews!". You are protected by Amendment One and you're free to explicitly express your hatred toward Jewish people unless it turned into violence or you inciting people to commit violence toward Jewish people.

 

[Jiro]

Of course not!

I would ask you why manslaughter or murder of a protected class is more punishable than that of a non protected class?

If I was beaten on the street half to death, does it matter the motive?

Whether it was for drug money, the color of my skin, or just for fun like a flash mob, sentences should be dished out the same.

The idea of placing more or less importance on a human is THE VERY definition of inequality!

You're telling me one human is worth more than another.

In the past - white man values more than others.

Hate Crime law equalizes both values.

 

[jillio]

I'm not sure I understand you.

Hate crime laws make various ethnicity's, sexual orientations, and religions a protected class.

For example: if an overweight child is mocked, terrorized and bullied the law see's that as less severe than doing the same to a person of a religious minority. Both of these examples are hateful and hurtful.

Why prioritize the value of one human being over another?

No they don't. They elevate them to the same status as the protected class in this country.

 

[DaveM]

Minorities, Jews, the disabled are more vulnerable and susceptible as targets for abuse and violence. Several times, I've seen deliberate confrontations between whites and Hasidic Jews. Random hateful targetting that is tormenting Jews, both adults and children alike. It's not funny for a Hasidic child to fall off his bike and have a hard fall on the edge of a curb because some white guy thinks it's funny to swerve his car at him.

There needs to be harsher punishment doled out to those abuse, torment and kill others just because others were gay, black, woman, disabled. If society at large sees that bigotry is not well tolerated, it will re-think twice before making someone a scapegoat/punching bag.

Motives are ALWAYS taken under consideration in court. So motives do matter. An individual who abused one guy over a fight is very different from an individual who intentionally targets gays, minorities and/or the disabled upon whom to inflict harm.

DeafCaroline, nothing turns my stomach more than the people who pick on minorities, disabled, or religious minorities. They are the worst types of people and those are the crimes that make me the most angry. I hate all forms of racism, sexism, or homophobia.

I just see problems with the language of the law. For example:

In Philadelphia there is tension between the Vietnamese community and the African American community. Often times the Vietnamese children are picked on and families and stores singled out for violence.

Same with the Korean, Colombian, Chinese, Cambodian, Mexican, and Puerto Rican communities. As well as the gay areas of Center City Philadelphia, even violence committed against transgendered by gay people.

I just have problems with trying to place more value upon one group over another.

 

[Jiro]

I agree. Those usually fall under terroristic threat

Terroristic Threat

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/victims/stalking.shtml

oh??? why not a simple "death threat"?

 

[kokonut]

Post articles and watch. Nothing new here.

Not really. I just stepped in. Now, soon to be back on the road for two hours.

 

[jillio]

You finally concede and are calling them for yourself. Great!

Orderlies..he's out of his room and playing on the computer again!

 

[jillio]

oh??? why not a simple "death threat"?

Good question. If we are going to use the same classification for all crimes, why differentiate between a death threat and a terrorist threat?

 

[jillio]

DeafCaroline, nothing turns my stomach more than the people who pick on minorities, disabled, or religious minorities. They are the worst types of people and those are the crimes that make me the most angry. I hate all forms of racism, sexism, or homophobia.

I just see problems with the language of the law. For example:

In Philadelphia there is tension between the Vietnamese community and the African American community. Often times the Vietnamese children are picked on and families and stores singled out for violence.

Same with the Korean, Colombian, Chinese, Cambodian, Mexican, and Puerto Rican communities. As well as the gay areas of Center City Philadelphia, even violence committed against transgendered by gay people.

I just have problems with trying to place more value upon one group over another.

You said you worked with dually diagnosed individuals in a very poor African American neighborhood. May I ask in what capacity, because it doesn't appear that you have had any multi-cultural training or education.

 

[Jiro]

DeafCaroline, nothing turns my stomach more than the people who pick on minorities, disabled, or religious minorities. They are the worst types of people and those are the crimes that make me the most angry. I hate all forms of racism, sexism, or homophobia.

I just see problems with the language of the law. For example:

In Philadelphia there is tension between the Vietnamese community and the African American community. Often times the Vietnamese children are picked on and families and stores singled out for violence.

Same with the Korean, Colombian, Chinese, Cambodian, Mexican, and Puerto Rican communities. As well as the gay areas of Center City Philadelphia, even violence committed against transgendered by gay people.

I just have problems with trying to place value upon somebody over another.

ah-ha! I found a problem.

the reason why... (see below) is not going so well for you and everybody involved is because you are still trying to solve this problem from ethnocentric point of view even though you are not consciously. By not acknowledging it, you're just making it harder on yourself when trying to help them.

I've spent a large part of my life working in a North Philadelphia black community trying to help dually diagnosed drug addicts.

I've watched year after year go by and the conditions continue to get worse.

I've watched politicians in bed with the teachers union continue to produce schools that dropout rates get higher and higher every year.

I've watched politicians protect teachers unions who donate to their campaigns by preventing school reform or school choice.

Preventing poor minority students from getting the same quality education that wealthy white kids in the suburbs get.

And I watch the cycle of poverty continue...

It's very sad, and I have become very cynical over the years because I have witnessed it first hand.

 

[jillio]

ah-ha! I found a problem.

the reason why... (see below) is not going so well for you and everybody involved is because you are still trying to solve this problem from ethnocentric point of view even though you are not consciously. By not acknowledging it, you're just making it harder on yourself when trying to help them.

I suggested that very thing earlier. Nice to know I am not the only one seeing it.

 

[DaveM]

You said you worked with dually diagnosed individuals in a very poor African American neighborhood. May I ask in what capacity, because it doesn't appear that you have had any multi-cultural training or education.

I had the best multi cultural training available! One that can't be learned in any university or with the highest degrees - I grew up in a multi cultural neighborhood, went to a multi cultural school, and my friends, family, neighbors and loved ones are multi cultural! A tad better than books, no?

 

[jillio]

I had the best multi cultural training available! One that can't be learned in any university or with the highest degrees - I grew up in a multi cultural neighborhood, went to a multi cultural school, and my friends, family, neighbors and loved ones are multi cultural! A tad better than books, no?

Not necessarily. You apparently never learned to quesion your own ethnocentric assumptions.

You failed to address my first question. Why do you keep avoiding things? I have directed you backward several times now, once at your request, and you are still avoiding.

 

[DaveM]

ah-ha! I found a problem.

the reason why... (see below) is not going so well for you and everybody involved is because you are still trying to solve this problem from ethnocentric point of view even though you are not consciously. By not acknowledging it, you're just making it harder on yourself when trying to help them.

I disagree, Jiro. I was trying to help PEOPLE through my work, not races.

Every human being is equal in my book. No one is better than another.