DeafCaroline
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I suppose you have hard facts to back up that inflammatory accusation?
Do you have hard facts to prove her wrong?
I suppose you have hard facts to back up that inflammatory accusation?
I don't think your son will ever forget that.
What if no hate is involved against a marginalized victim? Do they deserve less justice?
I suppose you have hard facts to back up that inflammatory accusation?
Ummm, Reba, that is a true statement. It is not against you personally. My Iraq veteran friends tell me stories.
you're confused - hate crimes only applies to crime motivated by hate.
So, if a black woman got beaten, not because she's black, then it's not a hate crime. say, she got beaten by her white boyfriend who is not bigoted, but very violent, it wouldn't be classified as a hate crime.
however, if a black woman got beaten by a white man who hates black people and chose to beat her just because she's black, then it's classified as a hate crime.
you're confused - hate crimes only applies to crime motivated by hate.
So, if a black woman got beaten, not because she's black, then it's not a hate crime. say, she got beaten by her white boyfriend who is not bigoted, but very violent, it wouldn't be classified as a hate crime.
however, if a black woman got beaten by a white man who hates black people and chose to beat her just because she's black, then it's classified as a hate crime.
Reba reminds me so much of my dad.
It was a rude awakening about the depravity of some people that I sincerely wish he had never had to experience. Nor his Iranian friend, either.
Or being charged with a hate crime for criticizing Israel.
I bet he served as a witness against his friend's attackers.
I loved my dad.
Unlike you, I don't find the Constitution to be a joke.You are kidding, right? If that were so, Black men would never have been lynched for not looking down when walking past a white woman.
If the same amount of damage is done, then, yes.So, a guy that gets into a fight with his friend in a bar and is charged with assault and someone who goes out "gay bashing" just for the pure fun of it should receive the same charges and the same penalties?
Not really. People are put on trial for their actions, not their intentions. (At least, so far; thought crimes haven't been put on the books yet.)Please. Intent has always been a facet of our criminal codes.
Putting hate crimes on the books, and doing nothing aren't the only two options.They are a step in the right direction. Doing nothing about the abominable situation is not.
How do you measure "intent?" Is that quantifiable? Does one person hate 3.75 times as much as another person?That is directly measurable through intent.
It's not necessary for hate crimes legislation in order to do that. Anyone who harms another should be punished, period.No, you can't. But you can certainly punish those that use their disgusting hatred to do harm to others.
That's what all laws should do. Additional laws for enforcing current laws aren't necessary.That is what hate crimes laws are doing.
How do hate crimes protect marginalized populations who are victims of crimes that aren't hate based? They don't.To ingore the injustice perpetrated disproportionately on marginalized populations, and to say, "Hey, you get the same protection everyone else does" is a joke. The populations would not be marginalized in the first place if justice, opportunity, and rights were equal in this country.
No one can be charged with a hate crime just for make a critical observation. Did someone actually get charged with this? if so, who? I would like to see exactly what the story was.
Funny that you would use that word when the Christian population in this country perpetrates more hatred toward others than any other group.
I loved my dad too. Very much.
I disagree. Strongly.
They weren't charged with assault? That's wrong.My son was in high school during the period immediately following 9/11. He and an Iranian student went across the street from the school to have lunch at a Burger King. Four white youths jumped the Iranian youth and beat him senseless. Why? He "looked" like a Muslim. They were acting out of pure hatred. Were assault charges appropriate in this case? No. They were charged with a hate crime and they very well should have been.
I disagree. Strongly.