2 deaf kids --- ci's???

[Cheri]

Fuzzy,


Thanks for pointing out the truth!

Truth? the truth is you as a father decline sign language to your cochlear implant daughter, so how am I supposed to know that signs is valuable to you when you never use it, nor have I ever seen you supporting signs.

 

[jillio]

Sorry, I just copied it off of Fuzzy, which I shouldn't have because she doesn't have a clue when it comes to ASL. Thanks for the correction.



Thank-you. Jillio.

I wasn't correctlng you, I was correcting fuzzy. But I wanted to reply to your post. I knew where the quote came from.

 

[jillio]

Jilly, Jilly, Jilly,

So wrong as usual. There is no irony as I am not advocating sign nor any method but it is obvious that there are some major issues going on in this woman's family right now and the only thing I do know is that she has two deaf children and is using sign. She also has an implanted child and is considering taking the implant off him. I think first and foremost until and if she ever provides me with more information the most important thing is to continue using the one method I know she is using.

FYI my "direct" comment was not made to anyone else but only to you regarding your decision to deny the implant to your child and the word I used was safe, not easy. But continue to beat a dead horse, we are all soooooooooo interested in a post about you made weeks ago.
Rick

I have never denied the implant to my son. It siomply hasn't been necessary, nor has he found it necessary. And I think we all know what you were referring to regarding parents who "take the safe way." Safe is remaining in ones little hearing world and being afraid to venture out of it.

But since you never had the courage to explain exactly what you meant by your remark prior, I suppose you know all about being "safe".

 

[Cheri]

Fuzzy "I like sun".
Cheri, Angel, Maria, Liebling, : "Oh you don't like moon".
Fuzzy: "No that's not what I said".
C,A,M, L: "yes you did. You never said anything positive about moon only sun, that means you don't like moon".
Cheri": "Fuzzy said in other thread she doesn't like moon, only sun"

 

[Maria]

That is because you, Cheri, Angel, Maria, and some other people understand ASL English, not written English, and are too stubborn to listen.

Fuzzy

Why is it sooo important to you about who understands ASL English, not written English ? I am soo positive sure that you certainly HAVE ONE error in your grammer or written skills. You don't have any " perfect " in your grammer or written skills. You are no matched with doctor or lawyer or psychologist or psychiatrist's written skills or grammer.

Is one of your eyes drooped than the other ? Or shall I say is one of your shoes bigger than other in size ? Hmm... Who says perfect ?

You have a problem with many issues here.

 

[jillio]

Hardly for a dim bulb casts very little light.

Too late rick. Point already made.

 

[jillio]

I have not heard one hearing parent of a deaf child argue with Fuzzy but there have been plenty who have with you.

Perhaps because you have not looked. And the point is, I serve the interests of the deaf, not the hearing. And, the deaf community overwhelmingly agrees with me.

And if you are referring to the hearing parents on this board, you and cloggy are hardly representative of the world of hearing parents of deaf chidlren as a whole. Thank Gawd.

 

[Cheri]

Perhaps because you have not looked. And the point is, I serve the interests of the deaf, not the hearing. And, the deaf community overwhelmingly agrees with me.

And if you are referring to the hearing parents on this board, you and cloggy are hardly representative of the world of hearing parents of deaf chidlren as a whole. Thank Gawd.

That's correct beside Fuzzy never been in a deaf world, she is more social with the hearing world that's why most hearing parents have her support. Who cares. You have us, Jillio.

I'm almost positive sure most deaf people here would love to have you as their parent.

 

[jillio]

Thank you, Cheri. That is what is important to me. I'm still trying to figure out how a parent who has a deaf kid, but has never, ever learned to sign is supportive of sign language. Methinks poster types one way, but acts another!

 

[rick48]

Perhaps because you have not looked. And the point is, I serve the interests of the deaf, not the hearing. And, the deaf community overwhelmingly agrees with me.

And if you are referring to the hearing parents on this board, you and cloggy are hardly representative of the world of hearing parents of deaf chidlren as a whole. Thank Gawd.

Nothing like having an inflated opinion about one's self is there JT.

Don't confuse having a little band of sycophants who feed your need for constant reassurance of the choices you made for your son as being representative of anything.

Say what you want about cloggy and I but at least we are secure in the choices we made for our children.

Why don't you bring your charming personality and close-minded views to places such as the ci circle or the Hearing Exchange. I am sure you will find that your views will suddenly become those of a very distinct minority.

 

[jillio]

I guess rick won't answer the questions regarding sign now, but he did infact answer them in other previous posts. Here they are:

I have made the language methodology decision and chose an oral route

We taught English to both of our children directly through speaking to them, reading aloud, nursery rhymes, singing, word songs and games, etc. They also learned English through watching TV, videos and indirectly from hearing other people's conversations etc. With my oldest daughter who is deaf, she also did get s&l therapy. However, a large part of that was learning to listen to and for specific phonemes (sp?) as well as pronouncing them.

Our daughter is 20, going into her junior year of college, a ci user and was raised orally. She was always mainstreamed

our daughter learned spoken English

 

[jillio]

Nothing like having an inflated opinion about one's self is there JT.

Don't confuse having a little band of sycophants who feed your need for constant reassurance of the choices you made for your son as being representative of anything.

Say what you want about cloggy and I but at least we are secure in the choices we made for our children.

Why don't you bring your charming personality and close-minded views to places such as the ci circle or the Hearing Exchange. I am sure you will find that your views will suddenly become those of a very distinct minority.

Why int he world would I want to go somewhere that supports such narrow minded views as oralsim? I deal with the effects of it on a daily basis....the teenagers who are miserable because they have never been permitted accessto sign or dea culture, the students who are delayed because their parents believed that denying them sign would help their oral langauge development, the young adults who have succeeded, but are still miserable because they never felt a connection to their hearing parents because the parents refused tolearn sign, the young adults that rarely visit their parents because their parents refuse tosign and their children feel estranged from them, and on and on and on. I get my fill of that. No reason to visit one of your forums to get more of it. All of you oralist parents patting yourselves on the back for a job well done, while your deaf children are visiting forums such as AD and lamenting over the fact that they could never connect with their parents on more than a superficial level, and stating that if they had one wish inthis life, it would be that their parents used sign. Nothing new about those two forums....and of course you are comfortable there. They are hearing forums and represent the views of the majority as you know it....the hearing. Over here, however, you are in the distinct minority. And you can't handle it. Got to keep returning to the majority hearing to get your pat on the back. Funny, isn't it, that your own daughter is in the minority, and not the majority.

 

[R2D2]

I have to say, how sad it is, but not surprising that this thread which was to support a parent has turned into yet another bickerfest I don't care who started it or who is right or wrong - I think that sometimes there is a time and a place not to rise to the bait.

No wonder parents don't hang around.

 

[Angel]

I have to say, how sad it is, but not surprising that this thread which was to support a parent has turned into yet another bickerfest I don't care who started it or who is right or wrong - I think that sometimes there is a time and a place not to rise to the bait.

No wonder parents don't hang around.

:Sigh:


I willing to take the blame for this mess, so therefore I decide not to post in these CI threads anymore and this is going to be my final post, this has became too diffcult for me to handle and we will always be the ones look like "bad" guys here and it seem like no one wants to listen to us anymore, so it just not worth it ...


Cduskey -- Please accept my apologize, I wish you and your family all the best!! :walk away quietly:

 

[lovezebras]

I agree, I don't have a real say in the whole debate, nor would i want to, Im going to start to learn sign next year cuz i think it could be useful for the future but thats not what the parent was asking they were asking about everyones opinion on CI for her daugher not about ASL or ORAL english....I don't think it's very fair that everyone is ruining a thread that someone came on here for advice only to see it be torn up into shreads and turn into a huge argument...

 

[jillio]

:Sigh:


I willing to take the blame for this mess, so therefore I decide not to post in these CI threads anymore, this has became too diffcult for me to handle and we will always be the ones look like "bad" guys here...Seem that no one wants to listen anymore, so it just not worth it ...


Cduskey -- Please accept my apologize, I wish you and your family all the best!! :walk away quietly:

No need for you to accept the balme for anything, angel. I t is not your fault. Nor are you the bad guy. You ahve an opinion, as dp we all. It is onlywhen others want to make one opinion wrong and the other right that all of this starts.

Quite obviously, if you check out the first few posts, those of us that are considered the "bad guys" were the first ones to step up to support this parent.

 

[Cheri]

I agree, I don't have a real say in the whole debate, nor would i want to, Im going to start to learn sign next year cuz i think it could be useful for the future but thats not what the parent was asking they were asking about everyones opinion on CI for her daugher not about ASL or ORAL english....I don't think it's very fair that everyone is ruining a thread that someone came on here for advice only to see it be torn up into shreads and turn into a huge argument...

I apologies, I'm at blame also for this cause of the thread to go downhill. I'm not saying no more.

 

[Maria]

I would never understand that some hearin' parents prefer oral rather than signings. What's soo special about bein' oralist without signings ? Is it about intelligence ? Or is it about " better than you " when one can't hear or talk ?

I am concerned about how it will turn the CI children out to be bullies, if they don't use sign language to bring both worlds together in ONE BIG community. I can see there's some " friction " because of each group is separated from each other. Let's say here : CI people will go to CI group of people. Deaf people wil go to Deaf group of people. They BOTH ( CI and Deaf people ) don't join each other's group as one group, because some CI people don't think that the sign language is valuable to them.

I don't even understand WHY some CI people feel that by usin' voice is soo much easier for them rather than learnin' sign language to form a communication with deaf people.

The question is : How do YOU make new friends with deaf people if, YOU don't learn sign language just because you choose oralism ? What if, the CI parents found out that their baby is deaf after birth ? hmm ... Wonderin' , are they goin' to take this baby to see doctor and discuss to have cochlear implants on this child just like their CI parents ?

I am sure there are soo many questions that have been unanswered.

 

[deafdyke]

First of all, ASL is NOT English, it is ASL. ASL is not a written language, it is a manual language. It has no standardized written form.

I see nothing wrong with your English syntax, grammar, spelling, or pragmatics, Cheri. Looks like English to me.

So the whole idea of ASL English is something just pulled out of thin air. There is no such thing.

Actually, jillo I kind of disagree with that. ASL is not English, but English can be used to transliterate ASL syntax.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Truth? the truth is you as a father decline sign language to your cochlear implant daughter, so how am I supposed to know that signs is valuable to you when you never use it, nor have I ever seen you supporting signs.

You have to take under consideration the fact that if the implanted child will not have enough exercise by listening and speaking, it will ruin its chances of having optimal benefits from CI. So, even though the use of SL is temporarily declined, or even completely avoided, it is ALWAYS possible to return to SL later, even years later.

Since SL is a visual language, and since the born deaf or H-o-H child has natural predisposition to use signs and gestures and other instinctive ways to recompensate for lack of a hearing sense,
the SL will be picked up with no troubles at any time later on. This can not be said of achievieng optimal hearing and speaking abilities - for his type of communication and oral langauge development, time is extremely valuable, and fleeting.

Keep in mind also that almost EVERY deaf or HoH person is aware of being "different", even with CI, and naturally curious about being deaf, deaf culture and sign language. It is more likely than not that the implanted child will be, at one point, interested in same as him peers. That is particularly true for teenagers who seek their indentities then.

Fuzzy