11 dead after teen shooting rampage at German school

Jiro said:
Pupils die in Japan knife massacre
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I don´t understand why they can´t defend from a person with knife who stabbed many on same time. It´s really sad.

I guess if that happened in Germany... wonder if that means they'll ban big knife or restrict it to like 1 short knife per household?
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Sorry, your post make no sense to me.

We have criminals who use knife to stab to kill or hurt the people here in Europe countries. Most is stab one person, not many person on the same time.

Use the gun to kill is an extreme dangerous because it´s easy for a person to shot many people.
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Reba said:
How can I agree or disagree when you don't even explain what you mean? All I asked was what do you mean by "weak" laws? Do you mean that they aren't enforced or that they aren't obeyed?

I ask you that because I don't want to be accused of misinterpreting or twisting what you say.
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Please use common sense. :roll: You know my POV over US gun control in debate threads in the past.

Take to have a look at your country... many school shootings... children shooting... Police officer shooting... Youth shooting... It´s scary. They should tight the gun restriction law to prevent from further shootings.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I don´t understand why they can´t defend from a person with knife who stabbed many on same time. It´s really sad.

Sorry, your post make no sense to me.

We have criminals who use knife to stab to kill or hurt the people here in Europe countries. Most is stab one person, not many person on the same time.

Use the gun to kill is an extreme dangerous because it´s easy for a person to shot many people.
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here's a good idea - how about restricting it to 1 bullet per gun? In my state - it's illegal to have more than 15 bullets per handgun. My gun's capacity is 18 but because of my state's law... my magazine can hold only 10 bullets. For your country - how about 1 bullet per gun? :hmm:

or do you prefer that your country bans guns?
 
Jiro said:
here's a good idea - how about restricting it to 1 bullet per gun? In my state - it's illegal to have more than 15 bullets per handgun. My gun's capacity is 18 but because of my state's law... my magazine can hold only 10 bullets. For your country - how about 1 bullet per gun? :hmm:
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Not bad suggestion... :hmm: one to two bullet per gun is better than many bullets per gun.


or do you prefer that your country bans guns?
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No, I do not support to ban the guns.
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Accord your post: if the father don´t have guns in his house. The teenager would kill, hurt or tempt to kill only one student.
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Maybe you were talking to someone else and not me, I said:
Sadly, when a person decides they are going to do something like this there is not much anyone can do to prevent it.

If the father did not have guns then the boy would have gotten them somewhere else.
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I am sorry to hear that they are looking at charging the father. Are you not allowed to have a weapon at the ready for protection in your home or private bedroom there? I can't imagine that.

here's a good idea - how about restricting it to 1 bullet per gun? In my state - it's illegal to have more than 15 bullets per handgun. My gun's capacity is 18 but because of my state's law... my magazine can hold only 10 bullets. For your country - how about 1 bullet per gun?
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Jiro, am I wrong, I thought you were in the US.

Right now, here, there is a push to put through an Ammunition Accountability Act. I am opposed. The Obama administration has figured out that it cannot skirt around the 2nd Ammendment to limit or take law abiding citizens weapons so they are attempting to work on the ammunition end.

The problem here, I assume, is the same as in Germany or any other country. It is not the law abiding folks that cause a problem but the criminal or in this story's case a person bent on his own and others destruction.
Any restrictions put into place that prevents the law abiding from arming themselves is counter productive.
 
ASLGAL said:
...Right now, here, there is a push to put through an Ammunition Accountability Act. I am opposed. The Obama administration has figured out that it cannot skirt around the 2nd Ammendment to limit or take law abiding citizens weapons so they are attempting to work on the ammunition end....
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All joking aside, that does concern me. Ammo is now more expensive and less available (depending on the kind). That's bad enough. :(
 
ASLGAL said:
I am sorry to hear that they are looking at charging the father. Are you not allowed to have a weapon at the ready for protection in your home or private bedroom there? I can't imagine that.
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They charge the father for negligent supervision because his son was minor. He should lock bedroom door if he want to hide the gun under his pillow.
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Parents of German School Shooter Express Remorse

In an open letter, the parents of the 17 year old youth who went on a shooting spree that shocked Germany last week, express their sorrow. Tim K., who shot dead 15 in the attack, had been treated for depression.

The parents of Tim K., the 17 year old who killed 15 people before turning his father's pistol on himself in a police shootout that shocked Germany last Wednesday, have spoken out in public for the first time.

In an open letter addressed to the victims, the parents and sister said they had never imagined that Tim could be capable of gunning down 12 pupils and teachers at his former school. He also shot a psychiatric worker at the clinic where he was once treated for depression and two bystanders who got in the way as he was fleeing the scene of the crime.

"We keep asking ourselves over and over again how this could happen? Why didn't we notice his despair and hatred?" they said in the letter.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The family home near Stuttgart in southwest Germany.

"We were a completely normal family"

"Until this terrible event we were a completely normal family," they wrote. "We never thought Tim capable of something like this and knew him as a different person."

The parents had apparently not known that their son was being treated for depression as an outpatient at a psychiatric clinic in the small southwestern town of Winnenden, where the fatal school shooting took place. Through their lawyer, who spoke to the German magazine Focus over the weekend, they denied he had received any treatment whatsoever.

Prosecutors investigating the case argue that Tim K.'s depression was a ground for relieving him from Germany's compulsory military service. They said he had started treatment at the Winnenden clinic, but did not follow through with it.

Father being investigated

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The Beretta pistol used in the attack had not been locked away.

The family statement was released on Tuesday, a day after prosecutors said they were investigating Tim's father on involuntary manslaughter charges for failing to keep the Beretta pistol used in the attack safely locked away. A member of a gun club, Tim K.'s father had an arsenal of 15 firearms. Fourteen of them were locked up in accordance to the German law, but prosecutors say the 9 mm. Beretta was not.

"The most valuable and important thing, a beloved person, was taken from you by the horrible and incompressible act of our son and brother," the letter said.

"We are shocked and stand crying and silent before this incomprehensible tragedy. We want to express our deepest sympathy to the victims, family and friends. All of our thoughts are with those afflicted in body and spirit," the letter continued.

Prosecutors in Stuttgart have also released the preliminary results of an autopsy which confirmed that Tim died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in a shootout with the police. He had also been struck by two police bullets to one of his legs.


Parents of German School Shooter Express Remorse | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 18.03.2009

 
Reba said:
New Jersey?
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yep... 15 rounds per magazine... WTF? The manufacturer (Springfield) produces either 10 or 18 rounds magazine for mine. they're proposing serializing the ammunition. WTF?!
 
It's sad when these kinds of things happen. It's also sad that they want to charge the father. I also think it's wrong to blame video games and movies for kids' actions.
 
:confused: How can a minor get psychiatric treatment without notifying the parents?
 
Reba said:
:confused: How can a minor get psychiatric treatment without notifying the parents?
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Yes, I'm wondering the same... :confused:

Many know him and saying that the parents KNEW it because it's them who send him to psychiatric clinic. It's THEM who support their son for want to break off from treatment after months and promised that he learn at school positively but he did kept his promise because he doing at school pretty well and on his way to become saleman... I was like :scratch: when I saw them on TV... to compare the Deutsche Welle article.


I will update further about them...
 
Reba said:
:confused: How can a minor get psychiatric treatment without notifying the parents?
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this boy was 17 years old... what's the legal age in Germany? It said that he was receiving psychiatric treatment as a ground for relieving him from Germany's compulsory military service. I suppose the boy begged them not to tell anybody. :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
this boy was 17 years old... what's the legal age in Germany? It said that he was receiving psychiatric treatment as a ground for relieving him from Germany's compulsory military service. I suppose the boy begged them not to tell anybody. :dunno:
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It could be they respect their son's privacy... :dunno:


For send minor to psychiatric clinic without parental's signuature is impossible... but many teachers and doctors said the same thing that the parents send him to clinic for depression treatment.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
It could be they respect their son's privacy... :dunno:


For send minor to psychiatric clinic without parental's signuature is impossible... but many teachers and doctors said the same thing that the parents send him to clinic for depression treatment.
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no no - According to article, I think the boy received psychiatric treatment AFTER he was screened by military for military compulsory service. That's why I'm asking you what is the legal age in Germany.
 
Jiro said:
this boy was 17 years old... what's the legal age in Germany? It said that he was receiving psychiatric treatment as a ground for relieving him from Germany's compulsory military service. I suppose the boy begged them not to tell anybody. :dunno:
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:dunno:

Also, was he taking meds for his psychiatric problems?

Many unanswered questions.
 
Reba said:
:dunno:

Also, was he taking meds for his psychiatric problems?

Many unanswered questions.
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indeed... indeed.... will have to wait for sara/liebling to give us further news....
 
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