Why - Why the Medical Society constantly pressure on the Parents?

[rick48]

Read what one person said in your "Respect for all Thread" about dying inside from being raised in the oral-only environment.

The majority of deaf kids dont suceed in the oral-only setting. Even successes like myself, ended up with serious scars and emotional damage. I do not call that a success despite getting good grades and being involved in sports.

Factual basis please.

 

[rick48]

My question is..why is having oral skills more important than the quality of education?

I just dont understand how it is ok to put deaf children in an educational environment where they dont have equal access to education as hearing children to. Is that the sake for having good speech skills?

Who said they were?

Who said they do not have equal access to education?

That was certainly not our experience.
Rick

 

[rick48]

That was a direct insult to the Deaf community. I thought we were all supposed to respect each other but guess not.

Oh please grow up.

 

[rick48]

And yet another hearing person attempting to determine for the deaf what is best for them.

No, could not care less what the Deaf do just as long as they and Deaf wannabes like yourself do not attempt to impose their anti-ci agenda upon someone else's child.

 

[shel90]

Oh please grow up.

Yea sure I will be more than happy to.

 

[shel90]

Who said they were?

Who said they do not have equal access to education?

That was certainly not our experience.
Rick

How can they hear and understand everything being said in a classroom full of 30 plus kids?

 

[Cloggy]

This one I would like to frame !!

No, could not care less what the Deaf do just as long as they and Deaf wannabes like yourself do not attempt to impose their anti-ci agenda upon someone else's child.

 

[Cheri]

No, could not care less what the Deaf do just as long as they and Deaf wannabes like yourself do not attempt to impose their anti-ci agenda upon someone else's child.

Really? You don't care for our (deafies) opinions?

I wonderd how your daughter would feels after knowing what you said to deaf people?

 

[Cloggy]

Really? You don't care for our (deafies) opinions?

I wonderd how your daughter would feels after knowing what you said to deaf people?

You missed the capital in "Deaf"? ....

don't take it personal when it isn't meant like that...

 

[Cheri]

You missed the capital in "Deaf"? ....

don't take it personal when it isn't meant like that...

Oh!! Yes I sure did missed that one.

 

[shel90]

Still have the same question, how is it a Bi lingual program? Why not just be honest with the parents and call it what it is. An educational program with instruction in ASL and where oral S&L therapy is provided?
Rick

BILLINGUAL-BICULTURAL (BI-BI)

Traditional Approach

The traditional approach to bilingual-bicultural education is founded on the premise that “Auditory/oral and Total Communication approaches do not meet the linguistic and cultural needs of deaf children; [that] natural sign language, such as American Sign Language (ASL) is the “biologically preferred” mode of communication for deaf individuals and [that] deaf children can acquire verbal language in the written form through the language base of natural sign language.”107 Hence ASL is taught to the child first and then English is taught as a second language. The benefits of such a program are that deaf children receive a language that is highly accessible to them. In the Bi-Bi approach, teachers that are native in the language model ASL for the child. In addition, parents who are hearing may engage a deaf adult who will model ASL in the home environment until the parents’ language skills are adequate. If the child attends a residential school, he also has the opportunity to learn from his peers. Since everyone signs ASL, the feeling of isolation often found among signing children placed in the mainstream is ameliorated. Since ASL is strongly connected with Deaf Culture, children in Bi-Bi programs have the opportunity to learn about, and participate in, Deaf Culture. This method is particularly useful for deaf children of parents fluent in ASL since the parents already know the target language and can model it correctly.

There are several disadvantages to this approach. The first is availability. Outside of the residential schools for the deaf, the Bi-Bi approach is not common. “There may be an insufficient number of deaf teachers and ‘role models’ to serve the population in question.”108 Signing is a difficult skill for hearing parents to master and they may resent having a stranger in their home, should they decide to engage a language model for their child.

Options in Deaf Education-History, Methodologies, and Strategies for Surviving the System

 

[jillio]

I agree that SEE is not a language but I do not agree that it is English. People say it is English because they have decided to put English words to the signs. That does not make it English.

If it is used to SIGN EXACT ENGLISH, it is. The two forms of SEE are Signing Exact English and Seeing Essential English. How could that not be English. Please explain your linguistic reasoning here. By your reasoning, written English would not be English either, because it takes a different mode than spoken English.

 

[shel90]

If it is used to SIGN EXACT ENGLISH, it is. The two forms of SEE are Signing Exact English and Seeing Essential English. How could that not be English. Please explain your linguistic reasoning here. By your reasoning, written English would not be English either, because it takes a different mode than spoken English.

SIGNED ENGLISH

Signed English is also signed while speaking English simultaneously. English word order is generally used. This manual code was originally meant for young children, however entire programs began using this method. Some signers are more conceptual in their signing, while others tend to be literal signers. Most of the signs in Signed English have ASL origins. Bornstein’s basic rules are: “sign either a word alone or a sign word and one sign marker; fingerspell words not provided in the dictionary; and create plurals by repeating the signs for nouns.”97 Signed English has fourteen affix markers (e.g. –ing, -s, -ed, -y etc.) Signed English has fewer markers than SEE-2 and once the child understands the use of the marker, adult users may drop the marker. The verb “to be” is signed. Homonyms are sometimes signed the same and other times are signed based on the conceptual meaning.

 

[jillio]

It is just so much easier just sit there and complain. For me it makes so much more sense to do something. There is this implant center out here that does not have a complete team and so I am going to make a change. I am going to give up of my time and show the importance of having a complete team instead of complainging about them.

And having another oralist on the team would help how? What implant centers need are deaf liasons.

 

[jillio]

What you do not get is that deaf children with the right technology, support, and guidance can have great speech skills and have an amazing education.

And what you do not get is that your statement needs to be qualified by "some".

 

[jillio]

No, could not care less what the Deaf do just as long as they and Deaf wannabes like yourself do not attempt to impose their anti-ci agenda upon someone else's child.

And the same can be said for the hearies and the hearie wannabes and their oralist agenda. BTW. Again, I am not anti CI and that is clear to everyone but the 2 or 3 hard core oralists on this board that insist on correlating CI and oralism.

 

[jillio]

Read what one person said in your "Respect for all Thread" about dying inside from being raised in the oral-only environment.

The majority of deaf kids dont suceed in the oral-only setting. Even successes like myself, ended up with serious scars and emotional damage. I do not call that a success despite getting good grades and being involved in sports.

Exactly. For those that are able to be successful, great. But there are far too many, CI implanted and non-CI implanted, that are continuing to suffer the negative effects that oralism has been perpetrating upon deaf people for centuries. Where is the concern and the respect for them?

 

[shel90]

Exactly. For those that are able to be successful, great. But there are far too many, CI implanted and non-CI implanted, that are continuing to suffer the negative effects that oralism has been perpetrating upon deaf people for centuries. Where is the concern and the respect for them?

As long as they keep their mouths quiet like that other ADer said, all is fine and dandy.

 

[Buffalo]

And the same can be said for the hearies and the hearie wannabes and their oralist agenda. BTW. Again, I am not anti CI and that is clear to everyone but the 2 or 3 hard core oralists on this board that insist on correlating CI and oralism.

Perhaps Rick48 was equating your not having your son implanted with anti-CI thinking????

 

[jillio]

That definition of being bilingual needs to change cuz some deaf people arent at fault for being unable to develop oral skills. I still call them bilingual cuz they have an understanding of ASL and English regardless of how they use them.

Hey lolm..check out my thread "A Comprehensive List" it talked about how many people feel that ASL and CS should be used in the educational setting.

Just because a person does not speak English does not mean that they are not bilingual if they have English skills that allows them to use the language in another mode. The monolinguists on this forum truly need to educate themselves.