Never ever declaw a cat...

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Liebling:-))) said:
But California, America consider to ban cat declaw and make it into illegal. It could be spread out from CA to other states in the future?
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oh I HOPE so!!! I SO HOPE SO!! cat declawing should be banned and illegal worldwide.

Fuzzy
 
Reba said:
Will front claws protect them from being run over by a car? That's how most runaway cats die.
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Will fingertips protect them from being run over by a car? That´s how most people/children died of road accidents. :cool:
 
Reba said:
California passes many laws that other states don't pass. It means nothing to the other states.
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Are you saying that it means NOTHING? :eek3: Don´t you read what the people and Expert´s negative view on declaw issues from MANY US websites? It tells alot that they are hoping to make declaw into illegal.

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Ooooo, the websites agree! Ooooo, :bowdown: to websites!
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I find good when the people are open mind to look at positive information before their decision will be made. It´s good education for everyone including us. It´s similar example with CI issues, etc.
 
Reba said:
OK, this is getting weird. :eek3:
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*Total speechless* :jaw:


Do you mean it´s weird to educate my children to obey/respect my rules and let them know what kind of anything they are allow or not?

For you, it´s not weird to amuptate my children´s fingertips for disobey/disrespect my rules?

I hope that I misunderstand your post.

For me, without educate my children and animal then they would act misbehavior. I don´t care if you think my view to educate my childen and animal to be behave, obey, respect etc is weird.

I would be glad to have a good and loving pet owner who correct my behavior and show me what I should do or not when I were a cat.
 
IslandGal said:
Humans don’t ask for their fingertips to be amputated and neither does the cats or any other animals.

If humans and any animals are in a need of an amputation for a medical reason to avoid having their limbs gangrened then it is for a very good reason. An amputation to save a life is necessary but to prevent a human or an animal from destroying things is not necessary at all.

I am not trying to start a war in here but I am just expressing my concerns and sympathy for these cats that were not so lucky after they were declawed.
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Exactly, that´s what I am trying to say in my previous post. You find better word to explain the difference between life-threatening and non-necessary surgery than me.

Yes, it´s not my intend to make a war with anyone here but positive my posts to express my own feeling - the same thing what I did in several different debated threads like CI, spanking, etc.
 
Reba said:
I'm just saying that front claws aren't a guaranteed protection for runaway cats.
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The human fingertips and animal claw are about protect from anything and useful for something... Without fingertips and claw, they can´t protect or use anything to save their life. I would say the same with runaway children as well.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
oh I HOPE so!!! I SO HOPE SO!! cat declawing should be banned and illegal worldwide.

Fuzzy
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I have the same feeling as you... Many people have the same feeling as well... I hope it will turn into illegal... I am really glad that US websites convince many people at last.
 
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I love to see my cats look at their paws and make sure that their paws are clean before let their paw to open to see their claws and bite/lick to clean their claws and then look their claws again after finish bite/lick their claws to make sure that their claws look "pretty" and satisfy themselves like we human look at our nails and take care of our nails and make us feel good like that. I LOVE their expression "proud" look on their claws...
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Are you for real? do you know anyone who had a body part amputated for CONVENIENCE? my god....

Fuzzy



Peace out--
~RR
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As we all know that amputated is there for a reasons. If animals or person got hit by a car and can't use their legs or arms by getting hit by car or have cancers or other health issue to save them. So, they might have to amputated to save a life. Some animals do well with 3 legs and still lead a normal life and that same goes to humans too. Sometimes we have to save a life.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Come on Reba. A good hearted person won't declaw a cat, ever.

Fuzzy
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Well, then, I'm not a good-hearted person, so I guess there's no point in trying to convince me that declawing is wrong.
 
IslandGal said:
Liebling is just expressing her POV to my question and I do not find her statement weird.
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She's not a cat, so the statement is weird. Cats don't consciously think about "rules" and respecting their owners. Projecting our human viewpoints onto animals is bizarre (unless you are Beatrix Potter and writing a fiction story).
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Will fingertips protect them from being run over by a car? That´s how most people/children died of road accidents. :cool:
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Fingertips certainly don't save anyone from road accidents. So? I thought we were discussing cat claws. :confused:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Are you saying that it means NOTHING? :eek3: Don´t you read what the people and Expert´s negative view on declaw issues from MANY US websites? It tells alot that they are hoping to make declaw into illegal.
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Did I say they mean "nothing"?

I find good when the people are open mind to look at positive information before their decision will be made. It´s good education for everyone including us. It´s similar example with CI issues, etc.
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Reading other viewpoints on websites is one thing; accepting them as the final authority is quite another.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Do you mean it´s weird to educate my children to obey/respect my rules and let them know what kind of anything they are allow or not?
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Your post said nothing about your children. You said, "I would obey/respect what my owner say and also their rule, too and will know what kind of anything I am allow or not because I want their love and affection if I were a cat."

To the best of my knowledge, your children aren't kittens, so I don't think you were talking about your children.


For you, it´s not weird to amuptate my children´s fingertips for disobey/disrespect my rules?

I hope that I misunderstand your post.
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Yes, you did misunderstand. No where did we discuss amputating your children's fingertips.

... I don´t care if you think my view to educate my childen and animal to be behave, obey, respect etc is weird.
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For the umpteenth time, I never said anything about you educating your children. I said that you putting yourself into the mind of the cat was weird.

I would be glad to have a good and loving pet owner who correct my behavior and show me what I should do or not when I were a cat.
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Fine. When you become a cat I hope you get a good and loving pet owner.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
And hunting for the foods.
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My cats didn't have to hunt for food; I fed them good quality cat food. Of course, they still caught the occasional squirrel, bird, and many lizards.
 
Aders--- This is getting old about declawing and clawing. I know there are Pro and Con, Legal and Illegal, and not ban or ban. I really appreciate Liebling put very positive about declawing and clawing. She totally respect people about declaw and claw cat. One thing I DO NOT APPERCIATE AUDIOFUZZY for being so rude and accused us about bad parents, use other term to explain picture but there is no point, being judgmental against us about declaw-- We all totally respect people about declaw and claw but we take good care of cat is what the most important matter. Like I said, what most important about being a cat owner is good parent with cat by feeding, provide a place, medication, make sure it is in good shape. I had been watching Liebling and I noticed she was not being judgmental but giving her truth opinion by her experience and her belief.

Well----- Today at my work when I was on call to go to Clinic. The owner bought the cat in that she adopted cat from shelter. I was so surprise to see cat with one nail swollen. Doctor Cow took xray. (let me tell you, handle the cat on x-ray is NO FUN!) Doctor discovered that cat's nail was broken apart from paw and is dead. She used something to get nail out of paw while cat (Blue) was not sedated. We both were so surprise that the nail came out of paw was so easy just like piece of cake. The nail has vessel which is full of blue and black. Doctor took blood and run the test. We found that cat is postive FEL. (postive for feline like AIDS) Blue's body just fell apart and is only 4 years old. We had to put her to sleep and I talked to doctor about declaw in her belief. She showed me blue's paw and said that most vet used painless shot into the paws and get full of nail but not the bones. She don't use black machine like in website which provide by Liebling is gross. She used laser to stop the nail growing. This is the new way to declaw the nail instead of cut the bone off. Doctor said that school taught her to cut only nails and burn the growth part is the best way and less pain. She said there are a lot of debating about declaw and claw. But what is most important is that cat is in good care of family.

That is what I am saying. Taking good care of cats are more important than just focus on claw and declawing.

BTW, The shelter was being on house-arrest due of overcrowding felines and dogs. Most of cats were starve to death and dogs ate some of kitten for dinner. LHPD arrested 8 people and took cats to our clinic to observe and I took the dogs to zoo program for the dogs to spend the night at zoo until Monday. (sigh)
 
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BTW- Doctor Cow has 2 cats. One of them is declaw and is doing good so far. Does that make Doctor Cow bad doctor? She didn't declaw the cat at all. She took cat from other family to take good care of it.
 
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