Are you 100% sure? hmm maybe you should re-read Fuzzy's post again...
Oh yeah??? Exactly, WHAT am I recommending according to YOU, pray tell?
Exactly WHAT? I am so curious what did I do this time...
How come some members included hearing parents and deaf as well have said that sign was not even requirement nor not even in needed? Yet, I don't see you supporting sign language either.
Would you please explain to me what do you mean "sign not required or even needed"?
because I
disctintly remember saying that hearing PARENT is not required to know ASL in order to specifically to communicate with his deaf child.
That's all.
BUT that does
not mean the hearing parent also excludes the possibility od providing the deaf enviroment for the very same child.
A hearing parent may chose not to sign himself, but he can very well
chose to surround his deaf child with deaf peers, with sign courses, take the child to the deaf clubs and organizations. And won't that be enough for the child to be fluent in sign language and have connection with deaf culture?
don't need to move to different area for the education for my kids because they're hearing, they don't have needs.
EXACTLY. that's my point the whole time.
so, basically
you confirm that deaf parents do not have to work as hard for their hearing kids as the hearing parenst have to for their deaf children. Period.
no, you only said MOST,
and in addition, you tried to make it look like once again the deaf people - this time - deaf parents, are being abused. never mind that this was almost exact copy of your text.
Again I did not insulted those hearing parents, I spoke the truth. Wake up and smell the coffee the world isn't black and white.
You didn't spoke the truth. You accused MOST hearing parents of being lazy. Do you have proof that MOST parents are lazy? do you have studies, statistics to back up your statement?
So, and your point? Stop being a bitter person and have a heart for others.
My point is, if you have audacity to insult MOST hearing parents as lazy, you better be a shining example as an extra hard working DEAF parent YOURSELF, or you have nothing.
Nobody is giving me a pat on the back, You are just seeing my opinion in a different way than they are. You see it as an insult, while they see it as the truth. It did happened in this world and it's no lie.
I am not denying that out there are SOME hearing parents that do not do what they should for their deaf children.
THE SAME WAY as out there are DEAF parents who do nothing to meet needs of their hearing children.
The same as any hearing parent may neglect its hearing children, and the same as any deaf parent may neglect its deaf children - everywhere.
I am seeying your opinion for what's it WORTH.
And yeah, the sheep-like followers jumped to your defence immediately, giving the pats to a suddenly "attacked" "good mother".
I never said you were bad mother, or imply such - for the record.
I simply asked what did you do that would qualify
as going out of your way to assist your hearing children. You did NOTHING. things developed naturally, by themselves. That's the point. and yet you pointed fingers at hearing parents as bad.
I am neutral to both fact and feeling... I am interesting about people's feeling than fact.
You were WRONG about your feeling many times before. and yet you still rely on it, instead on true hard FACTS.
Nobody says here that ALL hearing and deaf parents but SOME or MANY... Got it? I do not see "some" or "many" in your posts which I thought you mean ALL...
No, it was
worse, somebody said MOST hearing parents.
How come when I mocked the post and put "
deaf" in place of "hearing", suddenly everybody was in uproar, protesting? Didn't like it? didn't consider it to be true? Then how come it is OK to call hearing parents that, but not the deaf ones? all I did was switch words.
Did you relocated, went from doctor to doctor, specialist to specialist, therapy to therapy, hearing group to hearing group, and so on, in order to find the best accommodations for your children? did you got speech therapy in order to speak your best to your children? did you spend hours and hours trying to teach them sign langauge and lipreading
WITHOUT knowing it yourself? and the list could go on...
Can you please show me about your experience with your parents. I must miss it? All what I read your positive post about your parents. ?
Go back and re-read some my earlier posts. All I did in them was talking about my hearing parents.
even with some possibly removed, even those to which you replied.
btw that shows how much you care about anything but your POV.
oh okay I'll do that for you
Fuzzy
A hearing parent can find OTHER ways of succesful loving communication with his deaf child.
My parents never signed, but they went to great lenghts to speak to us slowly, with exaggerated lip movement to make lipreading easier for us, and they were always ready and patient to write things down. And while I never signed myself, my brother did, and never in my life I heard him complainign about our parents not signing.
anyway. of course our parents didn't tell us we are in no way different - they told us our deafness doesn't make us any less able to achieve what hearing children can achieve, or make us any less worth as human being as hearing children.
OF COURSE they told us we need accommodations for our deafness, and of course they told us we would have to work harder.
Not only did they told us that, they did their best to provide the most accepting, understanding enviroment for us as long as they could, And that was in the sixties and seventees, hon.
will that suffice?
Oh I see, what you talk here is not FACT but misleading... You beleive in TV more than the people with life experiences. You should say in your first post that you saw it on TV... It look like that you try to mislead hearing posters about deaf's way.
jesus. it was right next to
NOT ONLY I witnessed it in real life, I stood up in defence - it's called sarcasm.
Nobody insult you for your parents because your parents are hearing. We talked general about our life experience what we know about our hearing parents.
yes, my parents were insulted by generalization "most hearing parents are lazy". If they weren't, why are you accusing me of this:
No, you don't insult hearing parents but deaf parents.
I said EXACTLY the same thing as someone did. in fact, ALL I did was to
switch from "hearing" to "deaf" in appropriate places.
It wasn't even my sentence. This is the exact SAME TEXT as somebody's who wrote it IN THE FIRST PLACE.
So how come "nobody" is insulting hearing parents,
but I AM insulting the deaf ones?
That's having double morals.
Then accept her apology simply and ignore her English grammar.
I see. nobody is going to apologize to me for
expecting me to read minds and know that she made a grammar mistake, but I am required to accept the apology.
I did, btw. but that is not the point.
hmmmm.
I really don't have idea which choice I should make since you mentioned about yourself and some about your parents in your previous posts. *shrug*
You know, I wouldn't shrug if I was you, because it is YOU who constantly mixes two, three topics at once and confuses everything. That is why asked you to chose what you want to discuss.
Everything what CI children really needs is cover by public health insurance.
NOT everything.
Did you know the difference between good and bad stress?
and your point is?
It's Bear, I am referring to with my question, not anyone.
I am responding the same way YOU frequently respond to MY many questions directed at other people. I was aware your question wasn't for me.
Accord your question:
It's parent's decision to accept risk on their babies/toddlers's life that's because they want them to hear or not.
And what does that have to do with earlier question about CI suddenly failing in an older ALIVE and WELL child?
answer those question because I am mother of 2 hearing boys. Simple answer: We parents develop our hearing children's brain. Without parent's feed to their brain, they would not speak or learn lanuage skill... Again, did you know that hearing people can't read, speak or writing... ? My repeat question about them are being ignored. Please answer on this...
First of all, my question wasn't how parents help to develope children's brain. My question was, what exactly was SO SPECIAL somebody did to make her children hear?? the ansqwer is NOTHING special.
the kids were born hearing, and their hearing developed naturally. she didn't bent backwards to help develop the sense of hearing in them - that's my point. she wasn't one of those extra - hard working parents.
Besides I think it was you who told me that some hearing children of deaf parents are delayed in their oral langauge development, and don't speak until they start preschool or kindergarten. or special help comes home and help these children. something like that.
Again, did you know that hearing people can't read, speak or writing... ?
yes I know. what does that has to do with anything?
See my response on your post with graph...
I think I was asking Cheri. But I still don't see her reply.
Fuzzy
And just for the record, when I use bold letters and underlying it because I want to accentuate the importance of these.
hmm maybe you should re-read Fuzzy's post again...
