Do I Understand?

Buffalo said:
I do consider this method a selfish act, especially when it results in death of the child/baby. When it ends in death, I consider this an act of murder. ......
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Who died?
What's your real question / persuit?
 
Buffalo said:
I do consider this method a selfish act, especially when it results in death of the child/baby. When it ends in death, I consider this an act of murder. It is really beyond my understanding why a person would put a child under knife so he/she don't have to learn sign language. Why should the child suffer the after effects of an operation so his/her family don't have to sign? Why should the adult child have to pay for batteries and upkeep for his/her CI so his/her family don't have to sign?
How do you feel if I take a hearing child and make the child undergo an operation to put in some kind of implant so that child can learn sign language fast??? What would you feel if that child died??
I heard on a tv program talking about history of Deaf. There was a man (in 1920's or so) saying that if a deaf child has a voice then the child can be taught to speak. Well, to me, if somebody has two hands, then this person can be taught to sign.



Let me sprout a couple of horns and a spiked tail so I can play the Devil's Advocate. There, I am all set. Zap! There was a nuclear war but your family survived it. Nobody is making batteries anymore. What now? Parts break but there is no replacement as nobody is making them anymore. What now?
Zap! Now there is a level 4 virus going about and it is making everybody deaf. Now what? Better stay away from the streets until everybody get used to driving while deaf.
It is lovely to have a tail. I gotta put those horns and tail away until next time.
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:gpost::gpost::gpost:
 
Buffalo said:
Any deaf child.
You think CI is okay and I am telling you why I don't like CI in babies/children.
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So, CI kills babies... ???
You can't be thinking literally, since CI never caused a death.
So it must be metaphorical...
Well.... that's one point of view.
All over the messageboard you will hear, that when a child has CI, the child is still deaf.
You are now saying that a child with CI is no longer deaf. It is dead!
Strong view you have....

I have to say.... my daughter is definitely not dead. Actually, today she even said that she's not even deaf! - Go figure that one out....
 
Buffalo said:
I do consider this method a selfish act, especially when it results in death of the child/baby. When it ends in death, I consider this an act of murder. It is really beyond my understanding why a person would put a child under knife so he/she don't have to learn sign language.
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THAT is not the reason!
Buffalo said:
Why should the child suffer the after effects of an operation so his/her family don't have to sign?
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THAT is not the reason
Buffalo said:
Why should the adult child have to pay for batteries and upkeep for his/her CI so his/her family don't have to sign?
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Again, THAT is not the reason.
Buffalo said:
How do you feel if I take a hearing child and make the child undergo an operation to put in some kind of implant so that child can learn sign language fast???
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The child can learn sign without the operation. For a deaf child to hear, an operation is needed.
Buffalo said:
What would you feel if that child died??
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I would feel terrible.
What would you feel if that child died??[/quote]
I heard on a tv program talking about history of Deaf. There was a man (in 1920's or so) saying that if a deaf child has a voice then the child can be taught to speak. Well, to me, if somebody has two hands, then this person can be taught to sign.[/quote]Absolutely.. and?
Buffalo said:
Let me sprout a couple of horns and a spiked tail so I can play the Devil's Advocate. There, I am all set. Zap! There was a nuclear war but your family survived it. Nobody is making batteries anymore. What now? Parts break but there is no replacement as nobody is making them anymore. What now?
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We could use signlanguage. Or cued speech.
Buffalo said:
Zap! Now there is a level 4 virus going about and it is making everybody deaf. Now what? Better stay away from the streets until everybody get used to driving while deaf.
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I see no problem. With everybody deaf, everybody can learn aignlanguage or CS. And about driving...Do you really think deaf people cannot drive? That's nonsense.
 
Are you avoiding to read this topic? ;)

http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/44593-deaf-education-oralism.html Read what I just said that needs to remind Audist Attitude people as well as it s always to have this is what goes around and comes around. TRUTH will always be here with us when time comes to tell everything that is a real hurting us from the coffin that locks to be remained by them forever. That needs to be stopped N O W.

Go ahead running away from us or trying to destroy us that will haunting you forever with a full guilty that is for what People with a very negative view of deafness who did destroying to these Deaf children and their own boundaries from day one.

Now you can see why people dont know much about us Deaf children and people and Deaf community have been the plights of suffering in a long run since we were born or became deaf in early age. Many parents dont realize it or might knew but embarrassed to talk about their own true experiences with their Deaf children as I knew it the bottom of my heart . Do I blame parents? Some of it, I do blame them for failing to protect their own Deaf child at the same time it s not their faults. It's alot of oppression and discrimination to be involved because Medical professional doesnt tell anything about us and Deaf community. Also, Oral Educators told them a big lies about oral method issues in our Deaf Education and "CAN hear" with devices issues with no ASL in many ways. It just all about evil money to profit that can do anything whatever they want to tell a lie to cover up everything that they dont want you to know.

It s very emotional/mental condition sufferings and mixed feelings for all of us Deafies about our parents and Hearing people s attitudes all those years. That needs to be ease up your own attitude toward Deaf babies/children.

Thank you! ;)

Sweetmind


"Pure, Simple, Natural, Honest Total Communication; loving bonds between Deaf and Hearing people in this diverse world." Quote, Fact of Sweetmind's Beliefs in Natural Method: ASL. It tells you that there is "two way street" for Hearing and d/Deaf people.
 
Cloggy said:
So, CI kills babies... ???
You can't be thinking literally, since CI never caused a death.
So it must be metaphorical...
Well.... that's one point of view.
All over the messageboard you will hear, that when a child has CI, the child is still deaf.
You are now saying that a child with CI is no longer deaf. It is dead!
Strong view you have....

I have to say.... my daughter is definitely not dead. Actually, today she even said that she's not even deaf! - Go figure that one out....
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It's not hard to figure out......its the message you are giving her. Incredibly sad that you learn nothing from the many experiences that deaf/Deaf adults have chosen to share with you. Valuable information so readily shared; and then blatantly ignored.
 
Cloggy said:
THAT is not the reason!
THAT is not the reason

What , specifically, is the reason?
Again, THAT is not the reason.

Again, what specifically, is the reason?
The child can learn sign without the operation. For a deaf child to hear, an operation is needed.

Not necessarily. And, is it a matter of hearing, or a matter of hearing in order to assimilate?I would feel terrible.
What would you feel if that child died??
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I heard on a tv program talking about history of Deaf. There was a man (in 1920's or so) saying that if a deaf child has a voice then the child can be taught to speak.
And, inthe 1920's, oralism was the buzzword of the day.
Almost a decade later, and we are coming back to that antiquated idea, only now it is, if a child has CI, they can be made hearing and taught to speak. Same fallacy, different time period.
Well, to me, if somebody has two hands, then this person can be taught to sign.[/quote]

Its a matter of willingness, not of ability. Oral communication for the deaf is not a matter of willingness, but of ability. The first situation consitutes a refusal to do so; the second often constitutes an inability to do so. Two very different circumstances.

Absolutely.. and?
We could use signlanguage. Or cued speech.

Not if you don't continue to refine and expand upon your skills.
I see no problem. With everybody deaf, everybody can learn aignlanguage or CS. And about driving...Do you really think deaf people cannot drive? That's nonsense.[/QUOTE]

So, it is amtter of what is most convienient for the majority, not of what is best for the child?
 
Cloggy said:
So, CI kills babies... ???
You can't be thinking literally, since CI never caused a death.
So it must be metaphorical...
Well.... that's one point of view.
All over the messageboard you will hear, that when a child has CI, the child is still deaf.
You are now saying that a child with CI is no longer deaf. It is dead!
Strong view you have....

I have to say.... my daughter is definitely not dead. Actually, today she even said that she's not even deaf! - Go figure that one out....
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Yes, CI do kills sometimes.... via meningitis. Many of patients who died were under 7 years old.
Cochlear Implant Recipients May Be at Greater Risk for Meningitis
Why Did Katie Engle Die?
ENCORE MUSIC
Also any time you go under anesthesia, there is a risk... ASA June 2002 Newsletter

Word of advice... keep an eye on Lotte for signs of meningitis as it could appear in 5 or 6 years or so after her implant.

I know those children who died after implanted, would be alive if they didn't undergo the cochlear implants.
 
Buffalo said:
Yes, CI do kills sometimes.... via meningitis. Many of patients who died were under 7 years old.
Cochlear Implant Recipients May Be at Greater Risk for Meningitis
Why Did Katie Engle Die?
ENCORE MUSIC
Also any time you go under anesthesia, there is a risk... ASA June 2002 Newsletter

Word of advice... keep an eye on Lotte for signs of meningitis as it could appear in 5 or 6 years or so after her implant.

I know those children who died after implanted, would be alive if they didn't undergo the cochlear implants.
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The article about Katie Engle was posted in another thread. But there were those few whop chose not to believe it.
 
Of course you know by now.

NOw you can see why I am so against CI device itself on those Deaf babies and Deaf children all along.. I will ALWAYS stick with my own words because it s coming from my own heart that tells me that I can feel the pains for Deaf babies/children because I was a Deaf child myself and A
d/Deaf child Poster in the newspaper a long long time ago. Scoffs!

It should CI ban on Deaf Babies/Children. So be it!

Dont tell me that I lie anymore. Bingo! you did it to yourself. I know what I am doing my job and know so much about CI itself. Dont tell me that I am giving full of misinformations. Guess what I am not contradict at all, Mind you Cloggy/Boult/Rick48/Neecy/CI Radicals people with negative audist attitude and the rest of others with audist attitude. Look at yourself who did this as well. NOw you know why I do not trust too many strangers as a Medical professional and Government people very much.

You failed me to prove that Deaf children can not do it with ASL and without device. Guess what you failed yourself as Hearing parent while I did it as a Deaf parent of 2 Hearing children and 4 grandchildren. ;) Thanks!

Thank you, Buffalo for bringing up the story about CI deaf gal Katie Engle. There are more than ten deaths that is hiding the information about death by CI itself in the past. It s very tough to find that is too many hidden secrets to keep cover up. We will get there soon or later.

I READ and READ very careful every single day on the internet and working on my own comments as much as I can enjoy to practice it and get old pains out of my system that might help me to ease up angery feelings. I have nothing to hide because I have a very good reason to be very angry for what happens to these Deaf babies/children/people in our lives. It s very challenge for me to stand up up for my own benefits and Deaf children s sakes. I care Deaf colored children with or without disabilities with all my heart as well as I will always be outspoken as long as I live. ;)

That makes my day! ;) PAH PAH! Truth is here.

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
jillio, man...I only got one thing to say...deaf people need more people like you out there.
 
jillio said:
I heard on a tv program talking about history of Deaf. There was a man (in 1920's or so) saying that if a deaf child has a voice then the child can be taught to speak.
And, inthe 1920's, oralism was the buzzword of the day.
Almost a decade later, and we are coming back to that antiquated idea, only now it is, if a child has CI, they can be made hearing and taught to speak. Same fallacy, different time period...........
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Ah, so that's the time YOU live in.... I thought there was some different point of view...
I'm looking at it from the 21st century. You're still in the 20th... No wonder... (btw... CI was not around in "your" time..)
 
Cloggy said:
Ah, so that's the time YOU live in.... I thought there was some different point of view...
I'm looking at it from the 21st century. You're still in the 20th... No wonder... (btw... CI was not around in "your" time..)
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Check it out cloggy. The first quote you used was not mine. The reply was mine. Nice try using 2 different quotes to try to twist my word. Once again, if you continue with this obstinance and argumentative tactic, I will report your posts.
 
jillio said:
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It's not hard to figure out......its the message you are giving her. Incredibly sad that you learn nothing from the many experiences that deaf/Deaf adults have chosen to share with you. Valuable information so readily shared; and then blatantly ignored.
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Such ignorence you are showing.... nothing is ignored by me.

Well, getting back on your topic "Do I Understand?"

My daughter is deaf, and from the reaction you have shown to her statement.... you don't understand!
 
Cloggy said:
Such ignorence you are showing.... nothing is ignored by me.

Well, getting back on your topic "Do I Understand?"

My daughter is deaf, and from the reaction you have shown to her statement.... you don't understand!
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Which is it cloggy...is she deaf or is she hearing. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Her statemetn claims that she is denying that she is deaf. Where does she get that idea, daddy?
 
Buffalo said:
Yes, CI do kills sometimes.... via meningitis. Many of patients who died were under 7 years old.
Cochlear Implant Recipients May Be at Greater Risk for Meningitis
Why Did Katie Engle Die?
ENCORE MUSIC
Also any time you go under anesthesia, there is a risk... ASA June 2002 Newsletter

Word of advice... keep an eye on Lotte for signs of meningitis as it could appear in 5 or 6 years or so after her implant.

I know those children who died after implanted, would be alive if they didn't undergo the cochlear implants.
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Thanks for your concern, and those cases you mentioned are know.
Menigitis is often also the cause for deafness, and that is in case the child doesn't die. So in that respect, with the additional awarenes for this, children with CI are probably less likely to die from it than other children. So CI might actually have prevented menigitis-related deaths !!

What is also know is deaths of deaf people due to their lack of hearing. HAve you ever heared of these?
In a way, there will allways be risks.
 
jillio said:
Which is it cloggy...is she deaf or is she hearing. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Her statemetn claims that she is denying that she is deaf. Where does she get that idea, daddy?
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Good point, Jillio! +1 for Jillio
 
jillio said:
The article about Katie Engle was posted in another thread. But there were those few whop chose not to believe it.
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Did not believe what....??
Are you assuming some people did not believe that the girl died?
I have not come across that statement. Any death of any child is very sad. But to link the death of a child with CI automatically to the CI is really far-fetched. As if the death of any deaf person is linked to the deafness. Absurt!
 
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