It's Time for Blacks to Get Over Slavery

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Syndicated columnist Walter E. Williams pouts and complains that calls for the Virginia legislation to issue decrees of apologies for slavery fall far short. In fact, he goes the extra mile and suggests that whites owe blacks something. He seems to suggest that each and every white person should resolve black problems in Virginia – as if blacks themselves are unable to do anything.

Mr. Williams does everything but admit accountability for himself or blacks in Virginia. Instead, he criticizes white legislators in Virginia for not appeasing his requirements for an apologetic legislative mandate; and then squarely lays the blame on whites for whatever societal ills blacks in Virginia seem to have, ranging from unemployment to murder.

Then, in a brilliant display of hypocritical meandering, Mr. Williams issues what could easily be labeled as “poor,” “pathetic,” and “insensitive” regret for the murder of six million Jews; untold millions of Russians; for the murder of 45 million Chinese; for the Khmer Rouge’s massive genocide programs; and the more recent programs of genocide in Uganda (though he conspicuously fails to mention Bosnia – almost all the victims were whites). Quite conveniently, Mr. Williams also attempts to portray the plight of blacks in Virginia to be on par with these millions of victims.

The problem Mr. Williams has is the fact that slavery (in the context he discusses) happened more than 100 years ago, and in his futile attempt to link past with present, he tries to develop a correlation as to why blacks in Virginia suffer from various societal ailments. To put it simply, Mr. Williams asks – no, demands – that modern sufferings of black people must be cured by whites, if only because once upon a time, black people were slaves in Virginia, and that any murder which occurs in Virginia in 2007 will be the direct result of slavery in the 1800s.

I got news for Mr. Williams: Get over it, already.

I’m not about to deny that blacks in this country still have some difficulties in making inroads towards achieving the American Dream, whatever that may be. There are always pockets of people who are prejudiced against other people, if only because of skin color, cultural differences, or even politically philosophical differences. And unfortunately, the evil perpetuated by racism continues, even in today’s increasingly liberal society, and it seems to be an ingrained aspect of American life.

I know something about discrimination and oppression, though, and probably more so than the vast majority of blacks in this country: I’m deaf. You won’t see me, however, pining for legislators to issue apologies for the treatment of all deaf people, either.

Once upon a time in ancient Sparta, deaf babies and children were killed simply for being born deaf; in later centuries in this country, deaf people were shuttled off into “institutions” never heard from again; and in more recent times, deaf people were not allowed to vote, drive, find gainful employment and so forth and so on. Even as recently as the 1970’s, a common prescription for children born deaf was simply to have them placed into asylums, and rarely offered the opportunity to become full-fledged humans. In short, the dehumanization of deaf people throughout multiple civilizations has long been ignored, and a lack of apologetic legislative decrees shows insensitivity and further dehumanizing of all deaf people – at least, if we use Mr. Williams’ logic.

So, where is my apology, Mr. Williams?

Moreover, at the onset of World War II, the first groups the Nazis practiced their genocide and human pain tolerance trials (imagine acid being poured into your eyes just to gauge the response) were on deaf (and other disabled) people – not Jews. In postwar West Germany, deaf people were required to be sterilized. In many Arabic countries – even today – laws (written and otherwise) exist to “protect” families and dowries from forfeiture in the event a child is born with a birth defect, such as deafness. I bet Mr. Williams has never walked across the border to Mexico and witnessed deaf (and disabled) children standing on the bridge between the two countries, begging for money. There are far too many other examples to list, but the point is clear: dehumanization of deaf (and disabled) people around the world continues.

Nationally, deaf people routinely suffer the highest levels of drug abuse, suicide, unemployment rates, generally do not receive adequate education, and are typically mired in the ignorance of society. Even the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which was created to “level the playing field” for people with disabilities, was trashed by millions of people who did not suffer any form of disability and have, for all intents and purposes, reduced the ADA to a weak legislative mandate barely hanging on for survival.

So, where is my apology, Mr. Williams?

I have routinely faced discrimination in many forms, although I seriously doubt a lynching of a deaf person has occurred in recent years. I have faced oppression in various forms, although I don’t complain that all hearing people owe me the regret of thousands of years of dehumanized practices on people like myself (my deafness is genetic, so using Mr. Williams inference, all poor treatment of others in my genetic line deserve some form of apology). Despite all this, I have never killed someone. I have never robbed someone, either. I’ve stayed away from drugs and other pitfalls of society because I’m not stupid.

If anything, the deaf community in this country needs serious help
, but I don’t see Mr. Williams demanding such action. In fact, why doesn’t Mr. Williams apologize to some 200 children, ages 11-15, who were forced into prostitution by more than 150 pimps in Oakland, California? Why doesn’t Mr. Williams apologize to the Filipino woman named Serena, who was beguiled into going to Saudi Arabia to seek better employment opportunities, only to endure forced slavery (sexual, too) since her employer seized her passport and refused to return it to her? Why doesn’t Mr. Williams apologize to countless other minority groups struggling to survive – literally and figuratively – in many countries around the world? Slavery still exists globally, although I rarely have ever seen any high-profile black person attempt to advocate the plight of enslaved victims in other countries.

Seems to me that blacks in this country have little to complain about, especially with regard to legislative mandates issuing apologies for sins that occurred more than 100 years ago. Compared to deaf people, for example, there’s little justification or rationalization why blacks can’t find decent jobs, or can’t obtain decent education, or not murder other people, or not consume illegal drugs.What the Virginia Commonwealth General Assembly did was wrong - they shouldn’t have issued any apologies whatsoever. And now, because of their stupidity, every group in America will demand and seek apologies from everyone not in their group. It won’t be long now before a homeowner’s association will demand that everyone living in apartments apologizes to homeowners for lowering land values.

Mr. Williams and everyone else who seem to feel that whites owe blacks something, let me tell you: get over it. The best way to overcome whatever societal plights your group may be suffering is to accept responsibility for your actions – not what your ancestors or someone else’s ancestors may or may not have done. Even if Mr. Williams had a great, great, great grandfather who was a sharecropper, which has nothing to do with a black man killing another person in 2007, there is no correlation, other than what might exist in Mr. Williams’ mind between slavery in the 1800’s and the murder rate in Virginia in 2007.

At some point, blacks need to stop complaining about slavery. Yes, it was a horrible crime against humanity, but put into the appropriate context and perspective, slavery in this country pales to the massive crimes against humanity in modern times, from China to Turkey to Uganda (and Bosnia, Mr. Williams). White people don’t owe blacks anything; nobody owes anybody anything, other than common sense and decency, and if we subscribe to Mr. Williams’ philosophy, we may as well all extrapolate apologies for every perceived sin (real or not) humans inflict upon one another and that would simply be too cumbersome, too difficult and in a word - stupid.

I will defer Mr. Williams’ owed apologies if he’ll go and be positively constructive about ending slavery elsewhere in the world. Go volunteer for Free the Slaves. Donate money for poor, starving children who were once slaves in Asia. Speak out against slavery where it really exists – not something that happened well over 100 years ago. Until then, people like Mr. Williams need to do one thing first:

Get over it.

Finally, a passage from Richard C. Harwood’s book, Hope Unraveled, is appropriate: “If you want to change the world, start with your country; and if you want to change your country, start with your state; and if you want to change your state, start with your town; and if you want to change your town, start with your family; and if you want to change your family, start with yourself.”
 
This is very weird. I've been familiar with Mr. Williams and his writings and beliefs for many years. Nothing in the above post sounds like his viewpoint. It's the opposite. Something fishy here.

Also, why is this guy so angry with Mr. Williams? He's never said or done anything against Deaf people.

I looked up the original source that Mr. Williams wrote. This is it:

A MINORITY VIEW
BY WALTER E. WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, MARCH 7, 2007, AND THEREAFTER

Regrets for Slavery

Both chambers of the Commonwealth of Virginia's General Assembly passed a resolution saying government-sanctioned slavery "ranks as the most horrendous of all depredations of human rights and violations of our founding ideals in our nation's history; and . . . the abolition of slavery was followed by . . . systematic discrimination, enforced segregation, and other insidious institutions and practices toward Americans of African descent that were rooted in racism, racial bias, and racial misunderstanding." The General Assembly also expressed regret for the "exploitation of Native Americans."

Isn't that nice? I agree that slavery was an abomination, but I'm going to be even more generous than Virginia's General Assembly. I regret the murder of an estimated 61 million people whom the former USSR executed, slaughtered, starved, beat or tortured to death. I also regret the Chinese government's slaughter of 45 million Chinese; Hitler's slaughter of 6 million Jews; the Khmer Rouge's murder of 2 million Cambodians; the half a million Ugandans murdered by Idi Amin's death squads; the million Hutus and Tutsis murdered in Rwanda's genocidal bloodbath; and slavery that still exists in the Sudan and Mauritania.

All of these, and many more, are horrible injustices at least as horrible as the slavery that existed in the U.S. But after all the regrets and apologies for injustices, what comes next? Let's examine Virginia's statement of regret with an eye toward what it might mean.

I can personally relate to the Virginia General Assembly's declaration. My great-grandparents were slaves in the Virginia cities of Chase City and Newport News. The General Assembly's statement of regret for slavery means absolutely nothing to me. If anything, it's nothing less than a cheap insult and capitulation of white delegates to black hustlers. Possibly, the whites who voted in support of the declaration were mau-maued into it or they felt guilt over our history of slavery. In any case, they should know that their actions mean little in dealing with the day-to-day plight of many black Virginians -- which has nothing to do with slavery.

The U.S. murder rate is 5.6 people per 100,000 of the population. In the Commonwealth of Virginia's capital, Richmond, where the General Assembly meets, the murder rate is 43 people per 100,000 of the population, making Richmond the city with the third-highest murder rate in the nation, according to a 2005 FBI report.

What about black education in Virginia? According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), black education is a disgrace. In 2003, 51 percent of black eighth-graders scored below basic; 49 percent at or above basic; of these, only 11 percent scored proficient. For black fourth-graders, the scores were 34, 66 and 13 percent, respectively.
In 2002 in reading, 38 percent of black eighth-graders scored below basic, with 62 percent at or above basic and 15 percent scoring proficient. For fourth-graders, the scores were 53, 47 and 15 percent, respectively.

Below basic is the category the NAEP uses for students unable to display even partial mastery of knowledge and skills fundamental for proficient work at their grade level. Given this extreme academic incompetence, one shouldn't be surprised by the 2002 Virginia State Education Profile showing that the median combined SAT score for black students is a disgraceful 848 out of 1600, 210 points below the white median, and the white median is nothing to write home about.

The next time the Virginia General Assembly gets into an apologetic mood and wants to pass another resolution aimed at its black citizens, here are my suggestions: The Commonwealth of Virginia apologizes to its black citizens for not protecting them from criminals who prey upon them and make their lives a daily nightmare. The Commonwealth also apologizes for our government-sanctioned school system that delivers fraudulent education, thereby consigning many of its black citizens to the bottom rungs of the economic ladder.

Regrets for Slavery


His whole point was that apologizing for something that happened hundreds of years ago while ignoring the real problems of today is just surface politicking.
 
Why should i get over with slavery systems? I refuse to get over about slavery. my forefathers's ancestors forbidded me get over nor forgotton about my ancestors of slaves on me and my childern's childern forever...

I bet you tell me ought to heed jewish's people crying about their history and what germany've done with them.. I tell you, honestly I actually nothing do with jewish people who were in gremany during persecuted on jews by nazi party. I no need their center of attentions about their jewish's history that I refuse to be honor nor BOW!

they need to move on their own. then my people will move on our own..

I hate B. obama who is foolishy running for USA of president, he isnt came from our the PURE BREED ancestors of slaves.. He is the native from africa, he need to running his own country instead of here..


DID YOU KNOW THAT IF THE BLACK NEVER BEEN HERE IN USA, RESULT: DEAF, WOMEN, FOREIGNERS, GAYS, DISABLILES, OTHERS WILL NEVER BE FREE LIKE THIS TODAY BECAUSE ME AND MY ANCESTORS DID THIS MADE YOUR FREEDOM AND SPEECH FOR YOU AND YOUR ANCESTORS!!!!

USA CAN'T BE LIVE WITHOUT DARK ANGLES OF SLAVES FOR REST! THE BLACK SLAVE IS THE IMPORTANT KEY!
 
This is very weird. I've been familiar with Mr. Williams and his writings and beliefs for many years. Nothing in the above post sounds like his viewpoint. It's the opposite. Something fishy here.

Also, why is this guy so angry with Mr. Williams? He's never said or done anything against Deaf people.

I looked up the original source that Mr. Williams wrote. This is it:




His whole point was that apologizing for something that happened hundreds of years ago while ignoring the real problems of today is just surface politicking.

Maybe it is cuz I am tired cuz my son was up almost all night crying so I was having trouble reading and comprehending this article and your comments..anyways, from my understanding of this, a deaf man posted his opinions of Mr. Williams' declaration of how blacks are owed an apology by white people and how Mr. William needs to get over it. Then, he went to use the oppression and abuse of deaf people for centuries as an example and how he is not demanding an apology from hearing people because what happened in the past are the responsibility of people who lived in those times not today's society. There is nothing we can do to change the past so I think he was telling Mr. Williams to get over it and move on instead of demanding an apology from people who arent directly responsible for the slavery of black people.

That's how I interpreted it.
 
Maybe it is cuz I am tired cuz my son was up almost all night crying so I was having trouble reading and comprehending this article and your comments..anyways, from my understanding of this, a deaf man posted his opinions of Mr. Williams' declaration of how blacks are owed an apology by white people and how Mr. William needs to get over it. Then, he went to use the oppression and abuse of deaf people for centuries as an example and how he is not demanding an apology from hearing people because what happened in the past are the responsibility of people who lived in those times not today's society. There is nothing we can do to change the past so I think he was telling Mr. Williams to get over it and move on instead of demanding an apology from people who arent directly responsible for the slavery of black people.

That's how I interpreted it.
Yes, you correctly interpreted the Deaf man's post. :)

The problem is, the Deaf man misinterpreted Mr. Williams' post. Mr. Williams believes that black people should get over the slave mentality, and he doesn't believe that white people living now should "apologize" for the slavery of the past generations. Mr. Williams totally supports "getting over it", and criticizes other black "leaders" and groups who are always seeking apologies and material reparations. That's why it upset me that someone was misusing his words.

Mr. Williams is a conservative black man, and he is opposed to black dependency on government programs that he feels actual prevent black people from succeeding.

Mr. Williams "got over it" a loooooong time ago. :)
 
Yes, you correctly interpreted the Deaf man's post. :)

The problem is, the Deaf man misinterpreted Mr. Williams' post. Mr. Williams believes that black people should get over the slave mentality, and he doesn't believe that white people living now should "apologize" for the slavery of the past generations. Mr. Williams totally supports "getting over it", and criticizes other black "leaders" and groups who are always seeking apologies and material reparations. That's why it upset me that someone was misusing his words.

Mr. Williams is a conservative black man, and he is opposed to black dependency on government programs that he feels actual prevent black people from succeeding.

Mr. Williams "got over it" a loooooong time ago. :)


Oh ok..now I understand what u meant in your previous post. Oh boy...seems like many people these days are misunderstanding each other or is that commen with blogging? :giggle:
 
Oh ok..now I understand what u meant in your previous post. Oh boy...seems like many people these days are misunderstanding each other or is that commen with blogging? :giggle:
:dunno:
 
that is the tragic way. all the extremist, like black extremist, deaf extremist, female extremist, white extremist and all other extremist are getting out of hand, those extremist been stereotyping particular race or religion or others and thinking all the same. like slave goes, it happened in the year of 1800's, like white people today haven't been born those times. it's nothing but blaming and hatred. it's sad sad sad.
 
Some members like Miss-Delectable are trying to hurt XBGMER's feeling, also forget about slavery isn't solve for black people to get over it.
 
Some members like Miss-Delectable are trying to hurt XBGMER's feeling, also forget about slavery isn't solve for black people to get over it.

How is Miss-Delectable is hurting XBGMER's feelings? She is simply posting news like usual.
 
It's Time for Blacks to Get Over Slavery @ Blogcritics.org

Syndicated columnist Walter E. Williams pouts and complains that calls for the Virginia legislation to issue decrees of apologies for slavery fall far short. In fact, he goes the extra mile and suggests that whites owe blacks something. He seems to suggest that each and every white person should resolve black problems in Virginia – as if blacks themselves are unable to do anything.

Mr. Williams does everything but admit accountability for himself or blacks in Virginia. Instead, he criticizes white legislators in Virginia for not appeasing his requirements for an apologetic legislative mandate; and then squarely lays the blame on whites for whatever societal ills blacks in Virginia seem to have, ranging from unemployment to murder.

Then, in a brilliant display of hypocritical meandering, Mr. Williams issues what could easily be labeled as “poor,” “pathetic,” and “insensitive” regret for the murder of six million Jews; untold millions of Russians; for the murder of 45 million Chinese; for the Khmer Rouge’s massive genocide programs; and the more recent programs of genocide in Uganda (though he conspicuously fails to mention Bosnia – almost all the victims were whites). Quite conveniently, Mr. Williams also attempts to portray the plight of blacks in Virginia to be on par with these millions of victims.

The problem Mr. Williams has is the fact that slavery (in the context he discusses) happened more than 100 years ago, and in his futile attempt to link past with present, he tries to develop a correlation as to why blacks in Virginia suffer from various societal ailments. To put it simply, Mr. Williams asks – no, demands – that modern sufferings of black people must be cured by whites, if only because once upon a time, black people were slaves in Virginia, and that any murder which occurs in Virginia in 2007 will be the direct result of slavery in the 1800s.

I got news for Mr. Williams: Get over it, already.

I’m not about to deny that blacks in this country still have some difficulties in making inroads towards achieving the American Dream, whatever that may be. There are always pockets of people who are prejudiced against other people, if only because of skin color, cultural differences, or even politically philosophical differences. And unfortunately, the evil perpetuated by racism continues, even in today’s increasingly liberal society, and it seems to be an ingrained aspect of American life.

I know something about discrimination and oppression, though, and probably more so than the vast majority of blacks in this country: I’m deaf. You won’t see me, however, pining for legislators to issue apologies for the treatment of all deaf people, either.

Once upon a time in ancient Sparta, deaf babies and children were killed simply for being born deaf; in later centuries in this country, deaf people were shuttled off into “institutions” never heard from again; and in more recent times, deaf people were not allowed to vote, drive, find gainful employment and so forth and so on. Even as recently as the 1970’s, a common prescription for children born deaf was simply to have them placed into asylums, and rarely offered the opportunity to become full-fledged humans. In short, the dehumanization of deaf people throughout multiple civilizations has long been ignored, and a lack of apologetic legislative decrees shows insensitivity and further dehumanizing of all deaf people – at least, if we use Mr. Williams’ logic.

So, where is my apology, Mr. Williams?

Moreover, at the onset of World War II, the first groups the Nazis practiced their genocide and human pain tolerance trials (imagine acid being poured into your eyes just to gauge the response) were on deaf (and other disabled) people – not Jews. In postwar West Germany, deaf people were required to be sterilized. In many Arabic countries – even today – laws (written and otherwise) exist to “protect” families and dowries from forfeiture in the event a child is born with a birth defect, such as deafness. I bet Mr. Williams has never walked across the border to Mexico and witnessed deaf (and disabled) children standing on the bridge between the two countries, begging for money. There are far too many other examples to list, but the point is clear: dehumanization of deaf (and disabled) people around the world continues.

Nationally, deaf people routinely suffer the highest levels of drug abuse, suicide, unemployment rates, generally do not receive adequate education, and are typically mired in the ignorance of society. Even the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which was created to “level the playing field” for people with disabilities, was trashed by millions of people who did not suffer any form of disability and have, for all intents and purposes, reduced the ADA to a weak legislative mandate barely hanging on for survival.

So, where is my apology, Mr. Williams?

I have routinely faced discrimination in many forms, although I seriously doubt a lynching of a deaf person has occurred in recent years. I have faced oppression in various forms, although I don’t complain that all hearing people owe me the regret of thousands of years of dehumanized practices on people like myself (my deafness is genetic, so using Mr. Williams inference, all poor treatment of others in my genetic line deserve some form of apology). Despite all this, I have never killed someone. I have never robbed someone, either. I’ve stayed away from drugs and other pitfalls of society because I’m not stupid.

If anything, the deaf community in this country needs serious help
, but I don’t see Mr. Williams demanding such action. In fact, why doesn’t Mr. Williams apologize to some 200 children, ages 11-15, who were forced into prostitution by more than 150 pimps in Oakland, California? Why doesn’t Mr. Williams apologize to the Filipino woman named Serena, who was beguiled into going to Saudi Arabia to seek better employment opportunities, only to endure forced slavery (sexual, too) since her employer seized her passport and refused to return it to her? Why doesn’t Mr. Williams apologize to countless other minority groups struggling to survive – literally and figuratively – in many countries around the world? Slavery still exists globally, although I rarely have ever seen any high-profile black person attempt to advocate the plight of enslaved victims in other countries.

Seems to me that blacks in this country have little to complain about, especially with regard to legislative mandates issuing apologies for sins that occurred more than 100 years ago. Compared to deaf people, for example, there’s little justification or rationalization why blacks can’t find decent jobs, or can’t obtain decent education, or not murder other people, or not consume illegal drugs.What the Virginia Commonwealth General Assembly did was wrong - they shouldn’t have issued any apologies whatsoever. And now, because of their stupidity, every group in America will demand and seek apologies from everyone not in their group. It won’t be long now before a homeowner’s association will demand that everyone living in apartments apologizes to homeowners for lowering land values.

Mr. Williams and everyone else who seem to feel that whites owe blacks something, let me tell you: get over it. The best way to overcome whatever societal plights your group may be suffering is to accept responsibility for your actions – not what your ancestors or someone else’s ancestors may or may not have done. Even if Mr. Williams had a great, great, great grandfather who was a sharecropper, which has nothing to do with a black man killing another person in 2007, there is no correlation, other than what might exist in Mr. Williams’ mind between slavery in the 1800’s and the murder rate in Virginia in 2007.

At some point, blacks need to stop complaining about slavery. Yes, it was a horrible crime against humanity, but put into the appropriate context and perspective, slavery in this country pales to the massive crimes against humanity in modern times, from China to Turkey to Uganda (and Bosnia, Mr. Williams). White people don’t owe blacks anything; nobody owes anybody anything, other than common sense and decency, and if we subscribe to Mr. Williams’ philosophy, we may as well all extrapolate apologies for every perceived sin (real or not) humans inflict upon one another and that would simply be too cumbersome, too difficult and in a word - stupid.

I will defer Mr. Williams’ owed apologies if he’ll go and be positively constructive about ending slavery elsewhere in the world. Go volunteer for Free the Slaves. Donate money for poor, starving children who were once slaves in Asia. Speak out against slavery where it really exists – not something that happened well over 100 years ago. Until then, people like Mr. Williams need to do one thing first:

Get over it.

Finally, a passage from Richard C. Harwood’s book, Hope Unraveled, is appropriate: “If you want to change the world, start with your country; and if you want to change your country, start with your state; and if you want to change your state, start with your town; and if you want to change your town, start with your family; and if you want to change your family, start with yourself.”


Discrimination and racism is unacceptable, but what, is the point, asking the people of TODAY, to apologies for something that happened over 200 years ago ? How far back do we go to 'clear the slate' ? Should Americans apologize for their Independence from us, (A lot of Brits got killed as well!). Should today's Americans grovel for their shameful treatment of native Americans ? Should today's hearing society apologize for Milan ? I'm more than willing to apologize for what I do, but how can I apologize for a nation and concept long since dead ? Japan is less than willing to apologize for Pearl Harbor, or the treatment of the Chinese. I'm not with this blubbing about things I had no part of... Victory anyway, decides who is right, what is Truth ? it's in the history of the Victor.
 
Discrimination and racism is unacceptable, but what, is the point, asking the people of TODAY, to apologies for something that happened over 200 years ago ? How far back do we go to 'clear the slate' ? Should Americans apologize for their Independence from us, (A lot of Brits got killed as well!). Should today's Americans grovel for their shameful treatment of native Americans ? Should today's hearing society apologize for Milan ? I'm more than willing to apologize for what I do, but how can I apologize for a nation and concept long since dead ? Japan is less than willing to apologize for Pearl Harbor, or the treatment of the Chinese. I'm not with this blubbing about things I had no part of... Victory anyway, decides who is right, what is Truth ? it's in the history of the Victor.

Exactly my sentiments. The victor always gets to write history and it has been this way forever. People need to get over the past or be condemned to stay in it. In other words, people need to move on with their lives.

One thing I never understood...is the fact that slavery has always been around and it still exists today in certain parts of the world. Blacks are not the only ones that have been slaves. The Romans and the Ottomans had many slaves (predominately Whites BTW) mostly from their victories in battle. If the Blacks feel so adament about it they ought to get off their highhorse and do something about it instead of whining/moaning about the past. This is especially true when most of the slavery that exists today is in Sahara part of Africa. Could it be because if they focus on that they would be revealed as the hypocrites they are as some of those slavers are Blacks (typically Black Muslims over either Christian or Animist Blacks) themselves?!? Who wants that kind of attention? The world is full of hypocrisy! BTW - Most of the slavers are Arabic Muslims who are white. Of course, it would be politically incorrect to talk about that either.

One last point, what do the Blacks gain by an apology or financial compensation from those that had nothing to do with it in the past? If it is an apology, most people say whoopidy do and no sweat off their back! If is financial compensation, nobody could agree on the amount and most people would just burn a hole in their pockets and nobody the better for it. It becomes an exercise in futility. What was the point to begin with? Better I say just get on with your lives and make the best of it than be bogged down in the past.
 
Mr. Williams believes that black people should get over the slave mentality, and he doesn't believe that white people living now should "apologize" for the slavery of the past generations.
Well on the other hand, slavery really DID negatively impact people. The social affect was like that seen with the Untouchables in India. Slavery left a very deep social stigma.
I think a better idea might be to do affirmative action, based on income levels. Poor people are more at risk for virtually every negative circumstance...........it would remove the "oh why should we apologize to them just b/c of their skin color?" stuff.
And I don't think that white people need to apologize............but the GOVERNMENTS of the states that allowed slavery to happen, SHOULD apologize!
 
Some members like Miss-Delectable are trying to hurt XBGMER's feeling, also forget about slavery isn't solve for black people to get over it.
I can't DENYING that He is correct, this is hurt my feeling.. but I am cool!, because they are the absolute ignorants.. ;)



Exactly my sentiments. The victor always gets to write history and it has been this way forever. People need to get over the past or be condemned to stay in it. In other words, people need to move on with their lives.

One thing I never understood...is the fact that slavery has always been around and it still exists today in certain parts of the world. Blacks are not the only ones that have been slaves. The Romans and the Ottomans had many slaves (predominately Whites BTW) mostly from their victories in battle. If the Blacks feel so adament about it they ought to get off their highhorse and do something about it instead of whining/moaning about the past. This is especially true when most of the slavery that exists today is in Sahara part of Africa. Could it be because if they focus on that they would be revealed as the hypocrites they are as some of those slavers are Blacks (typically Black Muslims over either Christian or Animist Blacks) themselves?!? Who wants that kind of attention? The world is full of hypocrisy! BTW - Most of the slavers are Arabic Muslims who are white. Of course, it would be politically incorrect to talk about that either.

One last point, what do the Blacks gain by an apology or financial compensation from those that had nothing to do with it in the past? If it is an apology, most people say whoopidy do and no sweat off their back! If is financial compensation, nobody could agree on the amount and most people would just burn a hole in their pockets and nobody the better for it. It becomes an exercise in futility. What was the point to begin with? Better I say just get on with your lives and make the best of it than be bogged down in the past.
OH C'MON! ARABS ARENT THE DAMN WHITE FOLKS! If arabs were whites , why not they born ther own white babies with blonde/ or brunette, blue eyes, on and on like europe. but they don't have own white blood in their veins in their body forever... because they hardly get white baby like exact the asian does impossbily have blonde baby with BLUE EYES in their own genetics of family forever.

PERIOD!
 
S L A V E R Y

...was no myth...or mystery...
it was a life...
of absolute mysery...
a distortion, contortion, of biblical proportions...

But we tried and tried to survive...
and so far we've managed to stay alive...
but the story ain't over...
so don't you roll over and go to sleep...
sit up and pay attention...
because we gotta keep...
the truth alive of how we almost died,
but instead we survived..

Slavery was no myth or mystery...
nor is it a rehtorical theory...
it's just old fashioned American history!

AMEN!!!​


I am still the slave seed of descendant from the fomer Slave Master and the fomer female slave reproducted. For I am proud of who I am and Where I came from them.

White people referred to blacks as actual SLAVES. In North America of white man even owned many black slaves. Black offsprings were among White Man's slaves.


Even in modern times, in North America, the homeland of USA, the common word for "Servant" is "slave" meaning black. If you were in 1900's, the white folks will come up to you, where the slave we looking for, because the slave killed the SlaveMaster owner.

In Facts that the White/ Slave Master don't want us to forget their history of slavery, nor get over history of slavery.. Since they told you their beautiful story about me and slaves were white owners and many years in North America, there is no other nations be equal like this.. is not that BEAUTIFUL?
 
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I can't DENYING that He is correct, this is hurt my feeling.. but I am cool!, because they are the absolute ignorants.. ;)



OH C'MON! ARABS ARENT THE DAMN WHITE FOLKS! If arabs were whites , why not they born ther own white babies with blonde/ or brunette, blue eyes, on and on like europe. but they don't have own white blood in their veins in their body forever... because they hardly get white baby like exact the asian does impossbily have blonde baby with BLUE EYES in their own genetics of family forever.

PERIOD!

Nice try but being White is not limited to those with blue eyes. Whites have widespread attributes. Some are redheads, brunettes, blonds, even very dark hair as to be black. Same with the eyes too. Many Whites have brown eyes and nary a blue eye in the family or generations. You need to get your facts straight. In the classification of "race" Arabs are Caucasians not Asiatics nor Negroid. In fact, the original Caucasians are thought to disseminate from what is historically known as Persia (modern day Iran).

Let's get one other thing straight...everybody's blood is red and has nothing to do with race as you like to portray it. It is utter inanity to say there is a such a thing as White blood. It is genetics that transmits the characteristics of "race" not blood.

Nobody denying that Blacks were slaves and that most people associate the concept with slavery with the Civil War era. But you are trying like many other blacks want to have everybody believe that Blacks were the only ones who experienced it. Not so and in history it goes all the way back to the first war (eons ago long forgotten) and the losers who were enslaved to a harsh life. Slavery is nothing new under the sun. It generally was ugly and rights of the slaves varied depending on who were the slaveowners. In some instances, it was a decent life and in most others a horrible ordeal. Again, I repeat it was certain Black tribes in Africa that assisted the Whites to get their slaves back in the 1700's and 1800's. Nobody talks about that!

What is really interesting is that the first "servants" in America were poor Whites brought over from Ireland, Britain, Scotland and Wales as they knew the English language. Unfortunately, it was hard to find the ones that escaped from servitude which brought on the whole sorry episode of Black slavery. Somebody idiot had the bright idea that if you get some people who could be easily "identified", they couldn't escape like the poor Whites. So, off to Africa and the whole ugly mess...
 
Slavery is not a modern concept, or 200 years old, it's thousands of years old, and it's not a strictly black oriented issue, it is despicable and wrong whoever did it let's get that right, but Egyptians, Romans and Assyrians were not fussy who they enslaved. Lesser acknowledged, is the black involvement in their own slavery, where fellow black people colluded to sell their brothers and sisters, if we're going to start the apologies, let's at least be honest about it. Perhaps we should charge the Almighty with the genocide of the entire planet but for a select few by flooding it ? (Noah's Ark), the buck has to stop somewhere... how far back do you want to go ?
 
Yes, you correctly interpreted the Deaf man's post. :)

The problem is, the Deaf man misinterpreted Mr. Williams' post. Mr. Williams believes that black people should get over the slave mentality, and he doesn't believe that white people living now should "apologize" for the slavery of the past generations. Mr. Williams totally supports "getting over it", and criticizes other black "leaders" and groups who are always seeking apologies and material reparations. That's why it upset me that someone was misusing his words.

Mr. Williams is a conservative black man, and he is opposed to black dependency on government programs that he feels actual prevent black people from succeeding.

Mr. Williams "got over it" a loooooong time ago. :)

Yes, Reba is right. Miss Delectable totally misunderstood Walter William's column and his response is waaayyy off the mark. I've read Mr. William's column for years and found him to be conservative in his views and critical of those who would exploit the black community for personal gain (i.e. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton). One should make sure one understands what they are reading before firing off a response.
 
Yes, Reba is right. Miss Delectable totally misunderstood Walter William's column and his response is waaayyy off the mark. I've read Mr. William's column for years and found him to be conservative in his views and critical of those who would exploit the black community for personal gain (i.e. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton). One should make sure one understands what they are reading before firing off a response.
Oh, dear, please don't blame Miss Delectable! She didn't write that blog, it was someone named Paotie. Miss Delectable finds articles of interest with Deaf-related topics and posts them in AllDeaf.

You are correct about Mr. Williams.
 
I can't DENYING that He is correct, this is hurt my feeling.. but I am cool!, because they are the absolute ignorants.. ;)
Miss Delectable didn't write the blog, Paotie wrote it. Miss Delectable just posts interesting Deaf topic threads that she finds in the news and on the web. Please don't get upset with her.
 
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