Thanksgivng, A True Meaning

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I was reading about the history of Thanksgiving and its very interesting. In 1605, Squanto, an indian, who was captured by Englishmen and took him there and stayed for 9 yrs. That's where Squanto learned English. He returned to his village with an English fishing expedition led by Captain John Smith., but unfortunately he was taken back to prison with other members of his tribes and then sold them as slaves. One of the Spanish monks had Squanto. And his life was transformed by the teaching of Jesus Christ and life fulfilling. Afterward, in 1619, he returned his village again, but dicovered his tribes were wiped out by disease. So he joined up with other neighboring tribes till Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth in 1621. Pilgrims were taught many ways how to plant, cook and etc for survival. They became close together. William Bradford, who became 1st governor in Plymouth said " Squanto...was a special instrument sent of God". 1st Tnaksgiving was held in Oct joining with Wampanoag and their chief is Massasoit. So that happen in 1621. In Oct 1777 where all 13 colonies celebrate. Where they gave thanks to God the victory over British in Saratoga. In 1789, Pres. George Washington proclaimed a day of thanksgiving to God for America's independence and its newly formed constitution. But 1863, Pres. Abraham Lincoln proclaimed the last Thursday in November as a national day of thanksgiving. Every president since then proclaimed a day of thanksgiving and in 1941, by Congress sanctioned a a legal holiday on the 4th Thursday of November. Sadly, modern Americans keep from properly understanding who the Pilgrims were and pivotally important role they played in our history and wrong taught that they came for religious liberty or freedom. The fact is the pilgrims were MISSIONARIES coming ti the new world to plant the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the wilderness. Written by Gov Wiliam Bradford " They had a great hope and inward zeal of laying some good foundation...for the propagating and advancing the Gospel of the kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of the world: yeah, thought they should be but even as steping-stones unto others for the performing of so great work." Pilgrims were english evangical christians. With other Puritans they endured religious persecutions and then moved in Holland in the town of Leyden. There where they had religious freedom then been called to come to the land which called America. Written by Peter Marshall, MarkA. Beliles and Stephen K Mc Dowell. Last two guys together wrote on America's Provudential History.
 
Give thanks to the Lord who lead christian settlers to this land, not by religous freedom cause, but them as missionaries lead the tribes to Christ and protect christian's worship the Living Lord.
 
In my history class at the university, we learned that English emigrated to Jamestown due to greed. They heard that the Spanish conquistadors were profitting a lot from the gold, silver, spices and so on, so they went to the New World searching for new riches. They were faced with difficult challenges because the first settlement were like 95 percent men looking to get rich quickly. Life in Jamestown was awful; diseases, unsanitary conditions, lying and deceit, massacres of Indians and colonists, etc... There were no real sense of civilisation.

The only reason why the second settlement in Massachusetts Bay Company succeeded was due to the demographs covering whole families with children moving to the new world. They also wanted profits. When they encountered Indians, they viewed them as backward and hoped to convert them into their ways. After a while, they realised it was not possible, so they slaughtered Indians in the name of God, calling them savages and saying that the God punished them with diseases cutting their population down. It is not as wonderful as the story often tells us Americans. Many Indian tribes were decimated after the settlement of the so-called Puritans or missionaries, as you put it.
 
Kuifje75 said:
In my history class at the university, we learned that English emigrated to Jamestown due to greed. They heard that the Spanish conquistadors were profitting a lot from the gold, silver, spices and so on, so they went to the New World searching for new riches. They were faced with difficult challenges because the first settlement were like 95 percent men looking to get rich quickly. Life in Jamestown was awful; diseases, unsanitary conditions, lying and deceit, massacres of Indians and colonists, etc... There were no real sense of civilisation.

The only reason why the second settlement in Massachusetts Bay Company succeeded was due to the demographs covering whole families with children moving to the new world. They also wanted profits. When they encountered Indians, they viewed them as backward and hoped to convert them into their ways. After a while, they realised it was not possible, so they slaughtered Indians in the name of God, calling them savages and saying that the God punished them with diseases cutting their population down. It is not as wonderful as the story often tells us Americans. Many Indian tribes were decimated after the settlement of the so-called Puritans or missionaries, as you put it.
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Umm, read very carefully above. Have you notice who took the tribe and the slaves and etc? They are not the same ones. And always be some black sheep among them. Like always has been since thousands of years.
 
Interesting read christlovedeaf--
Thanks for sharing this remarkable story. ;)



~RR
 
interesting reading..

i was always told that Thanksgiving is a time to share with family and friends the many blessings we have received throughout the year. To be thankful for what we have here today like foods, clothes, roof over our heads, and so on. Thats what i do believe in. but didnt know religious freedom was part of this history. Cool! Thanks for that article. :)
 
christlovedeaf said:
Umm, read very carefully above. Have you notice who took the tribe and the slaves and etc? They are not the same ones. And always be some black sheep among them. Like always has been since thousands of years.
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Pilgrims or Purtains were still part of the white men who slaughtered Indian tribes.
 
You're very welcome R R and Gingerbread. Remember these particular settlers were orignally from England then moved to Dutch Country where there were freedom of religion due of oppressions and persecution in England, where they moved into New World from Dutch Country, there were different groups that came to this country. As of today's education didn't put the whole story and cut out the whole how all the incident happened. Yes, everything we should is giving thanks to the Lord for He provides us. He is the Lord who gives and takes away. Smile
 
Kuifje75 said:
Pilgrims or Purtains were still part of the white men who slaughtered Indian tribes.
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Remember some do, not all of them. And you remember they were divisive when Englanders came. Those pilgrims didn't approve some other pilgrims by killing them. And remember particular groups the one invited the indians to join and gave thanks. The show like Little House on the Prairie, about Walnut Grove were good people, when indians came to town, even few men want indians to be killed, but majority oppose and Dr Baker and Charles Ingalls saved the indians which happened to be a true story. Majority of christians do not approve by hating different race or people.
 
Kuifje75 said:
...The only reason why the second settlement in Massachusetts Bay Company succeeded was due to the demographs covering whole families with children moving to the new world. They also wanted profits. When they encountered Indians, they viewed them as backward and hoped to convert them into their ways. After a while, they realised it was not possible, so they slaughtered Indians in the name of God, calling them savages and saying that the God punished them with diseases cutting their population down. It is not as wonderful as the story often tells us Americans. Many Indian tribes were decimated after the settlement of the so-called Puritans or missionaries, as you put it.
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It's so sad that in the effort to be "politically correct" students are not taught real history.

First of all, they were Pilgrims, not Puritans, on the Mayflower.

The Pilgrims did NOT slaughter Indians.

"William Bradford referred to Squanto as a 'special instrument sent of God for their good.' Instead of war with the Indians, the Pilgrims enjoyed a sustained forty-year peace. This was quite different than the experience at Jamestown. Governor Bradford called for a public day of Thanksgiving. Massasoit, the chief of the Wampanoag tribe was invited. The chief brought ninety Indians, and showed up a day early."
http://home.regent.edu/dariger/pilgrim.html
 
Kuifje75 said:
Pilgrims or Purtains were still part of the white men who slaughtered Indian tribes.
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The Pilgrims didn't slaughter tribes.

The Puritans stayed in England.
 
Edward Winslow, one of the Pilgrims wrote of the first Thanksgiving:
"Our corn did prove well, and God be praised, we had a good increase of Indian corn.... Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after have a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruit of our labors.... And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty."

That summer the Pilgrims endured a drought that lasted for twelve weeks. At the end of the twelfth week they gathered together to pray and fast. In the morning when they gathered together, there was not a cloud in the sky, but when they finished praying eight to nine hours later it was overcast. The next morning it rained, and it continued to rain for nearly two weeks. This saved the crops and caused the Indians to take note of the God that the Pilgrims worshiped.
http://home.regent.edu/dariger/pilgrim.html
 
The Mayflower Compact
"Having undertaken, for ye glorie of God, and advancemente of ye Christian faith, and honour of our king & countrie, a voyage to plant ye first colonie in ye Northerne parts of Virginia, doe by these presents solemnly & mutualy in ye presence of God, and one of another, covenant & combine our selves togeather into a civill body politick; for our better ordering & preservation & furtherance of ye ends aforesaid; and by vertue hearof, to enacte, constitute, and frame shuch just & equall lawes, ordinances, acts, constitutions, & offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meete & convenient for ye generall good of ye Colonie."
 
Thanks sooo much, Reba, for sharing more of reality what's Thanksgiving is about.
 
Reba said:
It's so sad that in the effort to be "politically correct" students are not taught real history.
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It is even saddier when religious people do not realise the truth in our history and make limited statements covering limited events of what happened, in order to make themselves look good.

BOTH Puritans and Pilgrims came to the US. Many websites validate that.
To say that Puritans stayed in England is risible.

Here is an excerpt about the same leader you quoted:

William Loren Katz, author of Black Indians, A Hidden Heritage, writes that, “In 1637 Governor Bradford, who saw his colonists locked in mortal combat with dangerous Native Americans, ordered his militia to conduct a night attack on the sleeping men women and children of a Pequot Indian village. To Bradford, a devout Christian, the massacre was imbued with religious meaning.”
 
Kuifje75 said:
...BOTH Puritans and Pilgrims came to the US. Many websites validate that.
To say that Puritans stayed in England is risible.
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There were no Puritans on the Mayflower. They had no reason to leave England. They believed they should stay in England and "purify" the Church of England from within.

The Pilgrims (also called "Seperatists") believed that the Church of England was totally corrupt and couldn't be saved. They separated from the Church and emigrated to Holland, and then America.

Here is an excerpt about the same leader you quoted:

William Loren Katz, author of Black Indians, A Hidden Heritage, writes that, “In 1637 Governor Bradford, who saw his colonists locked in mortal combat with dangerous Native Americans, ordered his militia to conduct a night attack on the sleeping men women and children of a Pequot Indian village. To Bradford, a devout Christian, the massacre was imbued with religious meaning.”
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Well, we can have a "battle of the experts". According to:
11-07-05
The Truth About Thanksgiving Is that the Debunkers Are Wrong
By Jeremy Bangs

Mr. Bangs obtained his doctorate at the Rijksuniversiteit, Leiden, in 1976. He is a former Chief Curator of the Plimoth Plantation, Plymouth, MA.

"...And what is completely untrue is the idea that the Pilgrims of Plymouth Colony participated in the 1637 Pequot massacre. Although asked to send military assistance, the Plymouth court did not respond until two weeks after the slaughter had been carried out. See my book, Pilgrim Edward Winslow: New England’s First International Diplomat (Boston: NEHGS, 2004), pp. 164-168."
 
If you google "Puritans" in America, it will show several links that Puritans did indeed emigrate to America, but I think you were totally missing my point, that it did not have to be the Mayflower, per se.

Puritans in America - Google-søk

As for the debunkers quote, what you fail to notice is that it was not in 1621, but in 1630s that pilgrims joined with white men in murdering Indians in order to have more land for themselves.

This is taught at an university level history class at a conservative state called Utah. You should really read "American Journey" and "American Views"

From my textbook, "American Journey" pages 49-50:

"King Philip's War, which broke out in 1675, was sparked by the growing frustrastion of the Wampanoags, the Indians who had befriended the Pilgrims more than half a century before - with the land-hungry settlers whose towns now surrounded them. Massassoit's younger son, Metacom, called King Philip by the English, led the Wampanoags and struggled to preserve their independence. He had little reason to trust the colonists. His older brother had died mysteriously while being questioned by colonial officials about rumors of an Indian conspiracy. Philip himself had been accused of plotting against the settlers and then forced to sign a treaty submitting to English authority.

In the spring of 1675, a colonial court found three Wampanoag guilty of murdering a Christian Indian who had warned the English of Wampanoag preparations for war. The court sentenced the men to be hanged. The Wampanoags decided to strike back against the English. "Only a small part of the dominion of my ancestors remains," declared Philip. "I am determined not to live until I have no country."

At least a thousand colonists and perhaps three thousand Indians died in King Philip's War. One out of every sixteen colonist of military age was killed, making this the deadliest conflict in American history in terms of proportion of causalities to total population. The Indians succeeded in forcing back the line of settlement but lost what remained of their independence in New England. Philip died in an ambush in August 1676, and the war ended soon afterward. The victorious English sold many native survivors, including Philip's wife and young son, into slavery in the West Indies. Philip's head, impaled on a stake, was left for decades on the outskirts of Plymouth as a grisly warning of the prices to be paid for resisting colonial expansions."

Whether if you want to deny it or not, Puritans AND Pilgrims emigrated to America, but not together. And both of them took part in wars and killing the Indians.
 
Kuifje75 said:
...As for the debunkers quote, what you fail to notice is that it was not in 1621, but in 1630s that pilgrims joined with white men in murdering Indians in order to have more land for themselves.
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No, I didn't miss that. Read the quote again:
"...And what is completely untrue is the idea that the Pilgrims of Plymouth Colony participated in the 1637 Pequot massacre...."
 
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