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Museum Claims Earth is 6,000 Years Old
By The Associated Press

posted: 23 May 2005
10:16 am ET


PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) -- Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question -- when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.
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Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham'' radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here,'' Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe.''

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs -- based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle,'' said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible.''

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures -- including Tyrannosaurus Rex -- were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction,'' says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World.''

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology.''

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education,'' says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue.''

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth,'' Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years.''

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views -- and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point,'' Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time.''

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago,'' says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists.''

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him,'' said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry,'' Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off.''

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones,'' Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'''
 
but God do forgive us for sinning.. so he do forgive those who do sins.. plus God love us all no matter races, gay, straight or whatever the status is.. no matter what..

i dont know what to think about that.. its a big Q! sigh
 
true god to forgive us for sinning for its in our nature to sin but we also can try our best not to sin its hard i know next to impossible but like bible said with jesus all things are possible and as for the science and bible they should be merging together for its an science that proved the bible is real since it has alot of historical facts and events that happens and re proved as for the evolotion crap they re still theories while bible still have shitloads of proofs and dont dismiss the bible if you say bible is fake them i say abe lincoln is fake or nazis re fake too get my drift?
 
they re still theories while bible still have shitloads of proofs and dont dismiss the bible if you say bible is fake them i say abe lincoln is fake or nazis re fake too get my drift?

Lincoln is not fake but real thru history...

Biography of Abraham Lincoln
Biography of Abraham Lincoln

Nazis is not fake but real because my mother-in-law and many old people saw him in real life. They have original photos of Hilter.

Biography of Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler

Biography of Bible ?

Bible is a kind of religion book, the autors wrote... I enjoy to read their history.

We have many proofs than bible - fossils, bones, etc... I only beleive in proofs...

I do beleive that Jesus exist...
 
yeah alot of people few thousands ago saw jesus too just wonder why do some people wont believe that jesus existed re they mentally challanged? i mean proof s there
 
I'm not going to delve too much into this debate, but you're going to have to do better than "the proof's there." The proof is also there to support the Bible. The sad truth is most people cannot give an accurate history of the Bible. Heck, I'm willing to bet that 98% of Christians believe the Gospel of Luke was written by the Apostle Luke.

With that said, I will add this: Creationism is a bullshit science.
 
What we need is a time machine that allow us to see without actual touch with time motive go back to see if thing is true :D...
 
Lincoln is not fake but real thru history...

Biography of Abraham Lincoln
Biography of Abraham Lincoln

Nazis is not fake but real because my mother-in-law and many old people saw him in real life. They have original photos of Hilter.

Biography of Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler

Biography of Bible ?

Bible is a kind of religion book, the autors wrote... I enjoy to read their history.

We have many proofs than bible - fossils, bones, etc... I only beleive in proofs...

I do beleive that Jesus exist...
We know that Abe Lincoln and Hitler are real. We see actual historical and government documents as well as pictures and artifacts about them. Yet, we found nothing that points us in the direction that the bible is telling the truth.
 
I understand that Bible is important for people who want to waive our sins. I do believe in Bible too. Glad to share with you all comments. I think myself that Bible is the oldest known to the earth that does not count years.
 
While I don't believe in the Bible, I do consider it an awesome collection of epics, poems, parables and essays. I consider it an inspirational source for one of my hobbies.

I'm far more inclinced to favor scientific evidence. There is never any final proof - only evidence in science. I'm afraid the evidence is not in favor of Creationists.

The burden of proof is upon on the Creationists as their claims is a bold one and runs counter to accepted Scientific theories. Therefore it is their burden to come up with the evidence.
 
There is no comparison between the bible and science.

get over it, hyperates. :roll:
 
We know that Abe Lincoln and Hitler are real. We see actual historical and government documents as well as pictures and artifacts about them. Yet, we found nothing that points us in the direction that the bible is telling the truth.

actually there is documented facts and pictures in isreal thre is alot of hard facts in isreal for one there re still cross setted on isreal or there is still an burial site where jesus was buried it was actually already carboned dated so it existed but if you really want an direct proof the why not just ask god? there is as much hard facts about abe and hitler as jesus you just need to look in the right place namely isreal
 
There is no comparison between the bible and science.

get over it, hyperates. :roll:

man its just an debate insulting is not necessary we all are just throwing around facts and opinions its interesting to see their view and make an point of my opinionalized perception
 
actually there is documented facts and pictures in isreal thre is alot of hard facts in isreal for one there re still cross setted on isreal or there is still an burial site where jesus was buried it was actually already carboned dated so it existed but if you really want an direct proof the why not just ask god? there is as much hard facts about abe and hitler as jesus you just need to look in the right place namely isreal
What's the point of asking God. God isn't gonna answer any of my questions. Okay, I'll prove it...

*sits at the window*
"God, could you prove to me that whever happen in the Bible is true?"
*waits*
- hours go by -
*still waiting*

Blah, forget it. Not gonna happen.

As for historical facts based on locations, that isn't proof enough. Locations and some events are easily documented in any fiction and non-fiction publications, but the Bible doesn't actually document any Godly actions as fact.

For instance, look at movies today. You see a video of the World Trade Center setting where this guy is in an all-out gun war with criminals. Of course, this movie is made up... but the location is real. If the location is real, does that mean there was really an all-out shooting war and not just a made up movie?
 
my mom, my son TJ and i were talking about God. then TJ listened to what my mom read the story from bible book .. He heard that God did made animals.. etc.. then after the story reading.. TJ asked my mom what about dinosaur? where was it? My mom gulped! he got a point? Dinosaur was million years ago? not 6,000 years ago? that made me ponder on this?? this is definitely CONFUSING! sigh!
 
What's the point of asking God. God isn't gonna answer any of my questions. Okay, I'll prove it...

*sits at the window*
"God, could you prove to me that whever happen in the Bible is true?"
*waits*
- hours go by -
*still waiting*

Blah, forget it. Not gonna happen.

As for historical facts based on locations, that isn't proof enough. Locations and some events are easily documented in any fiction and non-fiction publications, but the Bible doesn't actually document any Godly actions as fact.

For instance, look at movies today. You see a video of the World Trade Center setting where this guy is in an all-out gun war with criminals. Of course, this movie is made up... but the location is real. If the location is real, does that mean there was really an all-out shooting war and not just a made up movie?
ever heard of patience? he will answer to anyone who really believes you re just being sarcastic
 
my mom, my son TJ and i were talking about God. then TJ listened to what my mom read the story from bible book .. He heard that God did made animals.. etc.. then after the story reading.. TJ asked my mom what about dinosaur? where was it? My mom gulped! he got a point? Dinosaur was million years ago? not 6,000 years ago? that made me ponder on this?? this is definitely CONFUSING! sigh!

i have an answer for that i did some research i remember in the bible that earth did exist before adam and eve it was in different time you remember that lucifer disobeyed god and god threw him to earth? that s the cause of death fo those dinos he killed every one of them after that god was angery and made an hell for satan to live in now god set up an rule that satan cant hurt any living things in this world unless we let him do so
 
What's the point of asking God. God isn't gonna answer any of my questions. Okay, I'll prove it...

*sits at the window*
"God, could you prove to me that whever happen in the Bible is true?"
*waits*
- hours go by -
*still waiting*

Blah, forget it. Not gonna happen.

As for historical facts based on locations, that isn't proof enough. Locations and some events are easily documented in any fiction and non-fiction publications, but the Bible doesn't actually document any Godly actions as fact.

For instance, look at movies today. You see a video of the World Trade Center setting where this guy is in an all-out gun war with criminals. Of course, this movie is made up... but the location is real. If the location is real, does that mean there was really an all-out shooting war and not just a made up movie?
and dude i ve asked god many time i got answer most of the time not all just have to have faith thats all
 
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