Just A Question ?

[Maria]

If you're going to make a claim like Mohammed is Satan, sure, Jesus could be Satan.

Tell Jesus that yourself and see what He says at His Judgement.

 

[Teresh]

Tell Jesus that yourself and see what He says at His Judgement.

That doesn't make any sense.

1. Jesus is not God, a god, the son of God (as if God can even have a 'son'). He was a man that lived and died. He can't have a 'judgement' any more than anyone else.
2. I don't believe in the existence of a 'Satan' in the sense that you do. I can't seriously say a person is 'Satan' because 'Satan' is an entity that is a member of a cosmological structure that is not my own.


The problem is that you're so willing to call Mohammed (or Islam) 'Satan' when your religion's history is by no means spotless and your prophet was no better than Mohammed.

 

[Phillips]

Oh My God!! I can't believe that Palestine take Children as human shield

Its make me sick!!

If Its happen in my area.. I will take my two beautiful daughters and going far away and hide somewhere safe place...

Curious Why Don't Parent take their kids safe and move away from war area?? also I won't let my kids roam on the street??


My friend believe that there's Nothing God and Evil ! Just died natural!

 

[Heath]

There is no way that Jesus Christ can be satan at all. Jesus Christ went through 40 days of temptation from satan and did many things like healings but the jews hated him for healing blind deaf the lame etc and then he had one final spiritual battle at the cross with satan and Jesus Christ won and now is with God of Israel, Abba Father.

 

[Maria]

That doesn't make any sense.

Then, you are the one who DON'T understand or get it.

1. Jesus is not God, a god, the son of God (as if God can even have a 'son'). He was a man that lived and died. He can't have a 'judgement' any more than anyone else.

Jesus is GOD. That's MY belief, if you don't believe the same as I do. There's the Judgement in Heaven. I am sure Reba will tell you the same thing as other true believers/born-again Christians would.

2. I don't believe in the existence of a 'Satan' in the sense that you do. I can't seriously say a person is 'Satan' because 'Satan' is an entity that is a member of a cosmological structure that is not my own.

I do believe that Satan exist. He is an " evil spirit " person.


The problem is that you're so willing to call Mohammed (or Islam) 'Satan' when your religion's history is by no means spotless and your prophet was no better than Mohammed.

I never said that Mohammed is Satan. I said in my old post somewhere that Mohammed is a FALSE prophet. My Jesus is BETTER than Mohammed, because of everlastin' life that Jesus gave me and everyone who ever believes in Him. Go and read John 3:16.

I am so DEFINITELY sure that Mohammed was NEVER mentioned that he died on the cross in your own Qu'ran book, was he ?

 

[Reba]

There's a few serious problems with this:

1. Christians are not "God's people".

Jews are God's chosen people.
Christians are the children of God.

2. Jews fared much better under Muslim rulers than they ever did under Christian rulers, the current tiff between the two tribes notwithstanding.

Current "tiff"? Is that all it is?

3. Thrash metal is music that personifies Muslims? ...What the hell?

The music is atrocious; I don't think it personifies any religious group. Ugh!

4. The suggestion that Gabriel is Satan (or that Satan impersonated Gabriel) is kind of idiotic. By that same logic we could say that it was Satan present at the Annunciation to Mary rather than Gabriel and that Jesus of Nazareth was actually the Son of Satan rather than the Son of God.

It was the real Gabriel that spoke to Mary. It was a fake "Gabriel" that supposedly spoke to Mohammed.

II Corinthians 11
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

5. Allah in the scope of Islam doesn't hate Christians or Jews. Actually, the view of both is the same as the view many Christians have of Jews--That the religion is true, but incomplete.

Then why do Muslims want to exterminate Jews and Christians?

6. Christians have in the last 2000 years killed, terrorized, subjugated, etc. Jews and Muslims in the name of God as well. Would a God of love and mercy condone that?

No, God does NOT condone it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jesus is not God but son of God.

 

[Reba]

You are one sick person. I can't believe you even enjoy reading this sort of hateful, wicked, anti-Muslim nonsense. For a person who preaches so much about a God of love and mercy, it's disappointing that you have no love for any other human beings.

I read the linked tracts.

I personally don't use Chick tracts because that's not the way I witness to people. For me, the artwork is crude, and the message very direct and hard hitting. BUT the message is NOT wrong or hateful. The message is true. It's just not my way of presentation. However, some people DO need a hard-hitting direct message, and it works for them. So I don't condemn the tracts, if they are used in the right way.

The "schooling" of the young terrorist in the first tract is accurate. I've heard experts (including former terrorists) on terrorist indoctrination describe how the young ones are led astray and trained.

Heath is not "sick". He can be hot-headed, impulsive, and too sensitive about himself but I don't think he's "sick". Of course, I'm not a psychologist, and I don't believe you are either, so neither one of us can make "long-distance" diagnoses of people.

 

[Reba]

1. Interesting how most Muslims also condemn the actions of terrorists...

And yet most of the Lebanese interviewed on TV last week praised and supported Hezbullah. What's with that?

If Muslims truly condemn terrorists, who is financially supporting the terrorists? Who is hiding them in their homes? Who is training the future ones? Who is producing the pro-terrorist propaganda? Who is electing them to run their countries?

3. Christians want the world to end because they think they will go to heaven.

I'm a Christian and I don't want the world to end in a nuclear holocaust. I don't personally know any Chrisitans who do. I've never heard any of our pastors or evangelists preach that. I haven't read that in any Christian publications that I subscribe to.

We're not in any hurry for the world to end. It will happen in God's own time.

Christians go to Heaven when they die now, so that doesn't really change anything for them.

Christians will be raptured to Heaven before the world "ends".

 

[Teresh]

Jesus is GOD. That's MY belief, if you don't believe the same as I do. There's the Judgement in Heaven. I am sure Reba will tell you the same thing as other true believers/born-again Christians would.

Um, OK. That's nice?

I said in my old post somewhere that Mohammed is a FALSE prophet.

Well, how do you know he was a 'false prophet'? Typically, when we speak of prophets, we speak of people who have told visions of the future. Muhammed, in the Qur'an and his other writings, fulfilled this requirement--He gave a prophecy of the future. Now, the question is, how do we know if this prophecy is correct? We don't. There's no way to verify a prophecy as true or false until it happens or fails to happen. Until that point, whether or not a prophecy is true or false is a matter of faith.

You may choose not to believe in his prophecy. That's fine--I don't either. The issue here is that you're ready to call 'false prophet!' not because his prophecies did not come true but instead because it makes you feel insecure and fearful about the validity of your own faith.

There really isn't any rational basis on which one can say Mohammed was a 'false prophet' until his prophecies either come true or fail to come true. Until such time, as a human being you should respect people of different faiths rather than crying foul just because they're not Christian.

My Jesus is BETTER than Mohammed, because of everlastin' life that Jesus gave me and everyone who ever believes in Him. Go and read John 3:16.

Explain to me what I have to gain by reading a particular section of a book I do not think is valid? Nonetheless:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Firstly, how can God have a son? That doesn't make any sense in monotheism. Secondly, perish? Since when did people perish? Eternal life? Already had that.

I am so DEFINITELY sure that Mohammed was NEVER mentioned that he died on the cross in your own Qu'ran book, was he ?

No, Mohammed did not die on a cross. Jesus was--what's your point? The Romans executed a lot of people who incited revolution against Rome, Jesus was just one of many. By the way, I'm not a Muslim, so don't speak of the Qur'an as if it's my book.

Current "tiff"? Is that all it is?

Prior to the 1800s, the Jews and Muslims lived together all throughout the middle east. I wouldn't say in harmony, but the two groups didn't really hate each other either. Are you familiar with the Iranian Jewish community? There are Jewish communities throughout the Muslim world that are generally not oppressed by their governments. The reason Anti-Semitism is rising rapidly among Muslims is largely the result of Zionism, not differences in religion.

The music is atrocious; I don't think it personifies any religious group. Ugh!

Agreed.

It was the real Gabriel that spoke to Mary. It was a fake "Gabriel" that supposedly spoke to Mohammed.

II Corinthians 11
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The citation doesn't verify anything. What basis have you to make the claim that the real Gabriel spoke to Mary?

Then why do Muslims want to exterminate Jews and Christians?

Why do terrorists wish to? Political reasons and desire for power. The vast majority of Muslims do not want to exterminate Jews and Christians.

Here's a counter-question: Why do Christians want to exterminate Jews and Muslims?

 

[Reba]

There are many factions of Christian Identity all over the world and I believe in some , and not all of the White Nationalism beliefs of Christian Identity.

Sorry, Heath, White Nationalism is NOT about Christianity. It's about racism.

... Some do participate in it some don't ...

If some do participate in terrorism, then you need to totally separate from that organization.

...but I can tell you that muslim terrorism is far more violent and more brutal than what Christian Identity does.

There is no "better" or "worse" terrorism. Terrorism is terrorism and good people should not associate with any terrorist groups, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, atheist, whatever. There is no relative terrorism that is acceptable.

That is for sure. I do not shoot up abortion clinics or anything like that. I sign petitions and write my congressmen and senate to stop abortion and another issues of the day through the power of the pen and through petitions.

That's good. You can do that without touching the Identity or White Nationalist organizations.

 

[Teresh]

And yet most of the Lebanese interviewed on TV last week praised and supported Hezbullah. What's with that?

Israel destroyed a big chunk of their country and Hezbollah proclaimed it would fight Israel to the bitter end. I think it's idiotic that they're supporting an organisation that would mean the death of any civil rights they have, but the Palestinians accepted that too.

Hezbollah has been able to make itself appear the heroes of Lebanon, though we on the outside observing in a more objective fashion realise it's only a ploy to gain control over the people.

If Muslims truly condemn terrorists, who is financially supporting the terrorists?

Generally, they support themselves through organised crime. Racketeering, extortion, the slave trade, bribery, kickbacks, etc. I'm sure there are people who donate to such organisations, but the amount is miniscule compared to the amount that they make through their mob-like methods.

Like the yakuza in Japan, though, they generally don't kill people or commit violent crimes, so governments are hesitant to break them up. Moreover, they do things to gain the trust of the people, further cementing their power and making it harder for governments to crack down on them. Examples for the yakuza include being faster than the government with an aid response to earthquakes. For terrorist groups in the Arab world it's the same. Natural disasters, political and military manuevers all work well for terrorist organisations that know what they're doing.

 

[Reba]

Firstly, how can God have a son?

Since God created the universe and every living thing in it, and He created all the laws that govern the physical universe, then He can easily have a Son.

Prior to the 1800s, the Jews and Muslims lived together all throughout the middle east. I wouldn't say in harmony, but the two groups didn't really hate each other either. Are you familiar with the Iranian Jewish community? There are Jewish communities throughout the Muslim world that are generally not oppressed by their governments. The reason Anti-Semitism is rising rapidly among Muslims is largely the result of Zionism, not differences in religion.

You totally missed my point. If you think that all the blood that has been shed in recent years in the Middle East is just a "tiff" then you have a very different perspective on human life than have I.

tiff (tĭf)
noun

1. A fit of irritation.
2. A petty quarrel.

The citation doesn't verify anything. What basis have you to make the claim that the real Gabriel spoke to Mary?

The Bible verses refering to Gabriel and his nature, and to Satan and his nature, precede the Koran verses about "Gabriel". The Bible refers to Satan as an angel of light, not Gabriel. If supposedly the Koran is a "completion" of the Bible then how come it didn't stick with the original Gabriel?

Why do terrorists wish to? Political reasons and desire for power.

So where do the 70 virgins and praise to Allah fit in?

The vast majority of Muslims do not want to exterminate Jews and Christians.

So why do they continue to materially support those who do?

Here's a counter-question: Why do Christians want to exterminate Jews and Muslims?

Who says that they do? Where is this happening? None of the Christians with whom I'm acquainted want that. What would be the point?

Christians are to glorify God. Killing non-believers doesn't glorify God. Leading non-believers to a saving knowledge of Christ glorifies God. You can't lead dead people to Christ, so there is no glory in that.

 

[XBGMER]

Yawn.. excuse me....

 

[Reba]

Jesus is not God but son of God.

Jesus Christ is God.

John 10:22-38
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

 

[Reba]

Yawn.. excuse me....

You're excused. Have a nice nap.

 

[Reba]

I was commenting on the Flash video.

Yes, I heard the "music", too. I don't know how to "classify" it but it was very rough and annoying.

... I believe in salvation by works. If you're a good person, you get whatever the afterlife is.

On what do you base that belief? Do you have Scripture to back up that belief?

The second largest religion in the world is a cult? Care to explain your rationale for that?

Since when do numbers prove or disprove that a group is a cult?

 

[SxyPorkie]

what hypocrites you are.. cyberred and heath.. i had seen you both posting in Penisaiurm.....You have no right to preach us all

 

[Heath]

what hypocrites you are.. cyberred and heath.. i had seen you both posting in Penisaiurm.....You have no right to preach us all

We are not perfect neither are you and FYI I usually post clean jokes with a good moral point to the story.

 

[deafdyke]

Then why do Muslims want to exterminate Jews and Christians?

THEY DON"T!!!!!!!!!!1 Some of them do, yes, but not ALL of them.