Salvation Of The Lord Alone

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Well, of course. Only God has the power save eternal souls. No human has that power.
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Only if you think He is real and I have every reason to doubt His existence. Your infantile belief will not mean a thing to non-believers.
 
That is a Pauline teaching... It's not from Jesus.
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A lot of "Christian" teachings are Pauline in nature. ....I don't undy why that's so...... After all, Jesus was THE ONE who founded and taught the great teachings of your religion. Not Paul!
Personally, I belive that the whole blah blah about accepting THE RIGHT GODS and BELIEFS is irreverant. I think all of the gods of all the different religions are simply figureheads, for a greater power that we as humans are too puny to understand 100%! Hey......they Bible itself says that humans are totally depraved (the first "petal" of the Calvinist belief system)....If they are totally depraved, then that means that they cannot accurrately know or understand a Higher Power. Humans understanding theology, and God 100% would be akin to a profoundly retarded person understanding Harvard level teachings 100%.
 
netrox said:
Only if you think He is real and I have every reason to doubt His existence. Your infantile belief will not mean a thing to non-believers.
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You are correct. It doesn't mean anything to the unbelievers. It is not us to pursuing God, God pursuing us, bec of His awesome love for us. But by your insulting remarks and ur view of ur negativity response won't change her or my beliefs. That is ur choice of ur doubt of His existence. My job is to share others and it is not my job to make others to believe, but can share why we believe and point of our beliefs. But the rest is God's and He called us to go out and share His love.
 
deafdyke said:
A lot of "Christian" teachings are Pauline in nature. ....I don't undy why that's so...... After all, Jesus was THE ONE who founded and taught the great teachings of your religion. Not Paul!
Personally, I belive that the whole blah blah about accepting THE RIGHT GODS and BELIEFS is irreverant. I think all of the gods of all the different religions are simply figureheads, for a greater power that we as humans are too puny to understand 100%! Hey......they Bible itself says that humans are totally depraved (the first "petal" of the Calvinist belief system)....If they are totally depraved, then that means that they cannot accurrately know or understand a Higher Power. Humans understanding theology, and God 100% would be akin to a profoundly retarded person understanding Harvard level teachings 100%.
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Well, that's what she thinks what christians follow Paul himself. But his teaching yes, who did Paul learn from? Jesus.what Paul taught similar as Jesus. There are different meaning of the flesh. One is the skin body and the other meant desires. The meaning of put self death daily as Paul wrote " I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, not I, but Christ in me, the life I now live in the flesh (human form) by the faith of Son of God who loves me and gave Himself for me." Similar meaning what Jesus said, " if anyone wants to follow me, must deny himself and take up his cross daily." Jesus didn't say literally about the cross and also, Jesus didn't meant by hating urself or condemning urself, He meant give up ur ideas and ur way of living that is not God's way and let Him work in you. Like Jesus said, love as urself, He doesn't mean thinking about yourself, He meant think of others as urself in humility way. Not meaning lover of ourselves. Many humanist misquote that and even humanist used like this, we are gods, bec the scripture said, did you not know our body is the temple of god, that mean we are gods. Very obvious, that is not what it meant. We should do to others as they do for u, that is love. Not meant thinking self just like it said in the last days there will be hard times people will love themselves and money. They wll be proud, stuck up, rude, ungrateful, godless, heartless and hateful and not self control, being cruel and etc. Nothing wrong about love urself, but this is not what this meant here. Lover of self, is me, me me and exalt him or herself. So, Paul learned so many ways from Christ as much as Peter, John, Jude, Timothy and etc.
 
I'm going to try again.

I had a long, in-depth reply prepared, when I clicked "submit" and I got logged out. It took me a while to log back in, and my original post was gone.

So, I will divide up my reply this time so that I don't lose the whole thing again.

Teresh said:
... God smites us or gives us salvation on a whim. The whim in question being based on whether or not one believes.
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No, God does nothing on a "whim".

whim (hwĭm, wĭm)

[Short for whim-wham, fanciful object.]

noun
1. A sudden or capricious idea; a fancy.
2. Arbitrary thought or impulse: governed by whim.
3. A vertical horse-powered drum used as a hoist in a mine.
 
netrox said:
Only if you think He is real and I have every reason to doubt His existence. Your infantile belief will not mean a thing to non-believers.
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Mark 10
15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
 
Teresh said:
...What that teaches thus is that belief brings about salvation, not what one does in his or her life.
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No human can "do" anything to save a soul from the penalty of sin.
 
Teresh said:
...Heh. That's what we call the No true Scotsman fallacy. "Born-again Christians" are a nonsensical joke that was created by Evangelicals to make them feel good about themselves. ..
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Jesus Himself used the term "born again" to describe a saved person, and preachers have used the same term ever since. It's not a recent "created" term.
 
Teresh said:
A "Born-again Christian" is simply a person who follows the teachings of the one called Christ, that is, of Jesus of Nazareth.
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Any person can claim to follow Jesus and be called a "Christian" but that doesn't make a person a Christian.

A Christian is a sinner who has confessed that he/she is a sinner, repents his/her sins, and accepts the shed blood of Jesus Christ as atonement for his/her sins. After accepting Jesus as Savior, the Christian then follows the commandments and example of Jesus.


That is precisely the same definition as the word "Christian". What it means to be "Born-again" in the scope of that is the idea that you were originally not a Christian. You were "born again" into Christianity.
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I specify "born-again" Christian because too many religions have misappropriated the name "Christian", and I want to be clear.

A person is NOT "born again" into Christianity. A person is born again in Jesus Christ. "Christianity" is a religion; Jesus Christ is the Savior. Religion can't save anyone; only Christ Jesus can save.


The idea here is that somehow by accepting Christianity as a religion when you were originally not you are somehow "better" or "more Christian" than other Christians, a fact that is not at all true.
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A person does NOT become born again by accepting the religion of Christianity. A person becomes born again by accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior.

A born-again Christian is NOT "better" than anyone else. A born-again Christian is a sinner, just like everyone else is.


So rather than indicating that you are superior to other Christians, it is instead a statement that you do not see Christianity as something up for discussion. The term "Born-again" indicates that you believe there is one very specific (and narrow) way to be a Christian and that all other forms of Christianity are invalid.
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Jesus Himself established the "straight and narrow" way. He said that He is the only way. I can't argue with God.
 
Welcome back Reba ! It's always Good reading
your postings related to the only one God!!
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IF someone argue with God, mean that
this person is "mocking against God" Right ?

and

IF someone argue with Born-Again Christians, that also mean
this person is also "mocking against God" Right ?

and

IF someone play switch around these words
misleading/confusing people, then
this person is "mocking against God" Right ?

Please feel free to correct me about this. Thanks !
 
A born-again Christian is NOT "better" than anyone else. A born-again Christian is a sinner, just like everyone else is.
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Really? Then how come so many "Christians" I know are so high and mighty and holier then thou about their beliefs? I'm not talking about ALL Christians....I know MANY Christians who have sincere strongly held beliefs. But they keep their beleifs private between them and God. They are not Phairasees, who feel the need to display EVERY single aspect of their lives as being "Christian." How come so many Christians look down on the outcasts of the world? If Jesus were here on earth....He would probaly minister to the nonmainstream population, GLB people, poor people, and anyone who has been ostracized from the "mainstream"......................Yet it seems like many Christians think that Jesus would not minister to those who are outcasts from society.
 
Mark 10 15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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Once again, you're citing from a fairy tale. :)
 
deafdyke said:
Really? Then how come so many "Christians" I know are so high and mighty and holier then thou about their beliefs? I'm not talking about ALL Christians....I know MANY Christians who have sincere strongly held beliefs. But they keep their beleifs private between them and God. They are not Phairasees, who feel the need to display EVERY single aspect of their lives as being "Christian." How come so many Christians look down on the outcasts of the world? If Jesus were here on earth....He would probaly minister to the nonmainstream population, GLB people, poor people, and anyone who has been ostracized from the "mainstream"......................Yet it seems like many Christians think that Jesus would not minister to those who are outcasts from society.
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I know exactly what you mean, deafdyke. I myself been there. Yes, even when I received Christ in me, big changes, but when I met other christians from another denominations and saying I'm not one of them bec I don't go that church. Each churches behavior doesn't mean those who there all has the same behaviors. There are new christians, long time christians, and spiritual level are different. But, true, Jesus go to those people who felt outcast, but if you notice carefully, like Mary Magadalene and woman at the well. Each respond of feel unworthy, and Jesus comes to these women. Similar, its what God sees us. And how we respond to Him. Right, I have seen christians behavior by holier than thou attitudes. Recent sunday, many were touch the way how I sign in interpreting the song called " We Are The Body", the reason, bec I've been there, talking about a new girl came visit the church, and the members of the girls group laughing at her and also a man from far from home for traveling business visit the church and people judemental stare at him and thought he's better off out in the road than being here, then chorus said like we are Body of Christ, we should visit, comfort, minister and edify others. Don't let them look down on you that lead away from Christ. Bec scriptues talked about our responsibilty as child of God, which many has not do so. Each of us has responsibilty of our own actions and see what God says in His ways.
 
Christlovedeaf, the holier-then-thou attitude is probaly the #1 reason why people dislike Christianity.....Even my devout Christian friends say that the holier then thou attitude that many modren day Pharisees hold can be incredibily annoying!
The disagreement among all Christians as to what verses etc mean, means that there probaly isn't ONE RIGHT WAY to be "saved" or to be a Christian.
If everyone read the Bible and interpreted it the same......yeah, I'd grant you that perhaps there might be ONE correct way......but there's just so many mixed interpretations....One sect says that dancing is a sin, another says that the way is dressing up in special clothes and speaking in tongues is the WAY to SALVATION, others say many different things.......What do God and Jesus really want? Nobody knows!
But his teaching yes, who did Paul learn from? Jesus.what Paul taught similar as Jesus.
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Yes, but what about the other disciples? What about them? Paul was a mortal man, prone to errors and misinterpreation.
Jesus however was above being a simple mortal man, at least according to the Bible.
 
Deafdyke, I did mentioned some disciples. About holier than thou, I didn't much care about them, I look at Jesus. Each of us will held accountable for what we has done. Now, yes, I myself, ask the Lord in many ways about different beliefs. Now, this is my beliefs: Jesus Christ did came down to become human like us, but sinless, Jesus died on the cross paid my sin debt in full and rose from the dead on 3rd day. Then afterward ascended to Heaven to be with the Father. Now, Jesus said that we must be born again. And also Jesus said He will not leave us here ourselved, which is the Holy Spirit indwell those who receive Christ, that's call born again. Now, about speaking in tongues. My ex sister in law involve in Pentecostal, she believe proven baptism of the Holy Spirit is by speaking in tongues as they look at Book of Acts. This what I believe is these are the days where many people from all over the country gathers together, there were different languages, so the day of the Pentecost which lead thousands of thousands received Christ, bec disciples speak in tongues, that is, each disciples spoke different international language that different nationalities heard the gospel. I don't have that gifts, but salvation is soley from the Lord and baptism of the Holy Spirit is the day when you asked Christ in ur life. As you ask what does God wants? He wants you, that's all He wants. Just like He wants me. The purpose of the cross is paid the penalty of our sins upon Himself. You have to agree with God that we have sinned against Him. The OT sacrifice is portraited of Jesus sacrificial Lamb. For being born again christian does not mean we are better than others. Christians are still humans like all others, the only different is this, christians let God work in and thru, that is for those who live in obedience, it does not mean be straight out perfect, it is by put God control and my flesh desires to death daily. Others do something for God for approval to God. This is why grace comes, grace is God's gift to us, works is for self to approve God instead of allowing God work in us. When standing before God, He dealt with you personally, not by blaming others. God dealt each of us. Its a beautiful way how God does for us.
 
Teresh said:
"Grace" (that is, faith) does not alone a good person make.
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Grace is a gift from God. We don't deserve it, and we can't earn it.

Faith is trusting God for what we can't see, and acting upon that trust.

Neither grace nor faith makes a person "good". No one is perfect or without sin while living on earth.

Grace saves us from the penalty and enslavement of sin.
 
Teresh said:
The Jews have been successful for about 4000 years. Are they doomed?
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I'm not sure what you mean by "successful".

Prior to Jesus' incarnation, Jews were saved by trusting that God would send a Savior.

After Jesus came to earth, Jews were saved by trusting the Savior that had arrived.

Chapter 11 of Hebrews has several examples of their faith.
 
Teresh said:
The claim you make therefore is that if one consciously accepts the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth, God will not permit him or her to do wrongs.
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No, that's not accurate.
Satan and his demons acknowledge the divinity of Jesus but that doesn't save them, and it certainly doesn't stop them from doing wrongs.
A sinner must also acknowledge his/her sins, repent, and accept the shed blood of Jesus Christ as the atonement for those sins.
A born-again Christian will still commit sins but the Holy Spirit and Scriptures will convict him/her to confess those sins, quit those sins and right the wrongs that he/she committed against others. God has ways of disciplining straying Christians, up to and including death.
God's discipline is not revenge or punishment, but correction, to guide the straying ones back onto the path of righteous living.
 
Teresh said:
...It allows you to feel that you are good or that you are special and as a special group of Christians you are exempt from responsibility for the actions taken by the wicked in your midst. It allows you to rationally avoid blame while also avoiding being part of a solution to other problems.
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Just the opposite.
I'm curious, where do you get these ideas? I've been a Christian for many years, and I've never heard those concepts preached, nor have I heard any other Christians express those beliefs, nor have I read any Christian writings that express that viewpoint, and I've never experienced those beliefs myself.

Preachers constantly admonish their congregations to avoid sin, to repent of sin, and to make amends to those they offend. They also encourage people to examine themselves for sinful attitudes and motivations. The Holy Spirit and Scriptures convict Christians of any wrong doing. If anything, Christians are usually harsher on themselves than anyone else.
 
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