Second Cannibal Trial Starts in Germany

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Second Cannibal Trial Starts in Germany

A German man who killed his gay lover with a screwdriver, dismembered him and kept some of his organs in the fridge to eat later went on trial in Berlin on Tuesday.

Ralf M., 41, is charged with the murder of Joe R., 33, a music teacher from Berlin in a case which has drawn comparisons with a cannibal trial which appalled and fascinated Germany last year.

Joe R.'s torso, legs and arms were discovered in Ralf M.'s apartment and his heart, kidneys, liver and lungs were found in his refrigerator last October.

The prosecution says Ralf M. fed the rest of his victim to his cats.

The two men met through a gay website and agreed to engage in sado-masochistic practices, the prosecution has alleged.

Ralf M. said in his Internet small ad that he was looking for a "svelte man, around 30, for a holiday roast dinner."

Guilty plea likely

A psychiatric assessment of the accused that forms part of the evidence in the case concludes that he is obsessed with butchery as part of a homosexual relationship.

Defense lawyer Detlev Binder said before the trial began that his client was prepared to plead guilty and felt deep shame.

"My client is psychologically very unwell," Binder told Tuesday's Bild newspaper.

Germany was gripped last year by the trial of self-confessed cannibal Armin Meiwes, 43, who was convicted of manslaughter after killing and eating a willing victim.

Meiwes was sentenced to eight and a half years in prison, but a German federal court last month ordered a re-trial because the prosecution is calling for a heavier penalty.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1572922,00.html

Eat human? :barf:
 
The cannibal is facing life in prison

Armin Meiwes, the self-confessed German cannibal convicted of killing a man, began his retrial on murder charges Thursday in Frankfurt.

German prosecutors are asking for life in prison for the German man who killed a man and ate him afterward, video taping the act about five years ago.

Armin Meiwes, 44, was convicted in January 2004 of manslaughter and given an eight-and-a-half-year sentence for cutting up a man he met through the Internet three years before when he advertised for someone willing to be eaten.

But German's highest court ruled last spring that the sentence was too lenient and that the "cannibal" face a second trial on murder charges.

The courts said the crime had most of the features of murder including gratuitous violence and prosecutors said it was murder because he killed to satisfy his own desire. The higher court ruled that the original trial had ignored that the video was made to satisfy the defendant's sexual desires.

Meiwes, a computer expert and former army officer admitted to killing a Berlin man and fellow computer specialist Bernd-Jürgen Brandes, 42. He was given the more lenient sentence of manslaughter because Brandes had requested he be eaten. The men them met near Meiwes' home in Rotenburg in central Germany.

Cheerful demeanor

Meiwes, wearing a dark suit and a black dress shirt and looking thinner than when he was first convicted, was led into the courtroom in handcuffs.

He greeted his three-member legal team with a broad smile and handshakes, cheerfully answered basic questions from the judge, then listened impassively as state prosecutor Marcus Köhler made his opening statement.

"The defendant stands accused of murder for sexual
gratification," Köhler told the three-judge panel before describing the grisly events of a night in March 2001.

Meiwes not insane, experts say

The Frankfurt court has now begun reviewing the story, the motives and will rewatch the video. They will listen to testimony again from original witnesses. And they may also have to examine the man's psychological state, which was ruled warped but sane at the first trial.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The defense says it was assisted suicide
Legal experts believe that the "cannibal" will be convicted of murder this time around. That is because during the first trial, there was little applicable law on the books that suited such a unique case.

That is not the case this time around because of the higher court ruling. Essentially they ruled that the victim's consent is irrelevant because the killing was not euthanasia, which carries a sentence of 5 years, but done to get sexual gratification.

Euthanasia, says the defense

The defence will maintain that Meiwes performed a kind of euthanasia.

"This unprecedented act in German legal history should be judged as killing on demand," defense attorney Joachim Bremer said, a crime that is punishable by a maximum five years in prison.

"Herr Brandes insisted on being castrated and killed as soon as he was unconscious," he said, adding that Brandes had refused medical help offered to him after his penis had been "amputated."

Some criminologists think that Meiwes should just be placed in preventive custody. That is because he showed no repentance during the first trial and said he would kill again if he found a willing victim.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Rammstein sung about the cannibal
The case has inspired books, countless chatrooms and even a rock song called "Mein Teil" by the German rock band Rammstein.

A movie about the case set for release in Germany on March 9 is called "Rotenburg."

Ermel told reporters that Meiwes had not consented to the making of the film. And he said he will seek an injunction to stop the film because his client resented his portrayal as a "bestial killer" and because it may be prejudicial. Court action may also be taken against the German rock band Rammstein.

DW staff (jb)

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1853189,00.html

He deserve to stay in prision rest of life...
 
"Armin Meiwes, 44, was convicted in January 2004 of manslaughter and given an eight-and-a-half-year sentence for cutting up a man he met through the Internet three years before when he advertised for someone willing to be eaten."

:shock:

"...he showed no repentance during the first trial and said he would kill again if he found a willing victim."

Yikes! I hope they don't let him out!
 
You have to wonder about a legal system that had legal experts discombobulated over the definition of murder. To be fair, any legal system needs decent legislation in place to work effectively and bring appropriate charges. When one thinks one has every piece of legislation necessary to deal with criminals, somebody gets "creative" and commits a crime without precedent...hence the ridiculous outcomes of such trials.

Glad to see the higher court came to it's senses.
 
German Cannibal Blocks Release of Hollywood Thriller

German Cannibal Blocks Release of Hollywood Thriller

A self-confessed German cannibal, currently on trial for murder, managed on Friday to halt the release in Germany of a US-made horror film based on his case.

A Frankfurt-based court upheld a complaint Friday against the film "Butterfly -- A Grimm Love Story" based on the story of Armin Meiwes, a real-life cannibal who shocked Germany and the world when details of his gruesome crime came to light two years ago.

The court which made the ruling on Friday said although Meiwes' case was of great media interest, it did not give its makers any right to portray the case in a horror film.

It added that the film, directed by Martin Weisz and starring Hollywood actor Thomas Kretschmann (of "King Kong" fame) in the main role, infringed Meiwes' personal rights -- a fact that outweighed the value of artistic freedom.

According to the court, the psychological thriller is based on significant biographical details and personality traits of Meiwes, who is currently facing a retrial in a Frankfurt court.

Cannibal wouldn't mind documentary

The film was due for release in Germany on March 9 and was set to profit from the disgust and fascination that Miewes' case triggered around the world.

Anyone found defying Friday's court ruling to screen the film could face a fine or up to six months in prison.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The house where the crime took place
Meiwes' lawyer Harald Ermel told German N24 TV news channel that while his client was "satisfied" with the decision, he would not object to a "documentary film" about his case being made.

The 44-year-old Meiwes was convicted in Jan. 2004 of manslaughter and given an eight-and-a-half-year sentence for slaughtering and consuming a 43-year-old computer specialist from Berlin at his home in the central German town of Rotenburg and videotaping the act. Meiwes had met his victim on the Internet after he advertised for someone willing to be eaten.

A federal tribunal last April upheld an appeal lodged by state prosecutors, calling the verdict too lenient, and ordered a new trial which began in January. Prosecutors are seeking a life sentence.

Based on real-life events

The Hollywood thriller tells the tale of fictional American criminal psychology student Katie (Keri Russell) who is drawn in by the bizarre case of a Meiwes-like character called Oliver Hartwin.

Much like Meiwes' life, the cannibal plot of the movie shows a younger Hartwin as a loner forced by an overbearing mother to wear Lederhosen at school. Like Meiwes, he dreams up an imaginary friend.

Later, as a computer repairman -- Meiwes's own profession -- the film-character is drawn to the "Cannibal Cantina" Web site in his search for a willing victim.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1922255,00.html
 
We support that man belong life sentence with physical... He is really sick man.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
We support that man belong life sentence with physical... He is really sick man.

Leibling, what do you think they should do with him? I can't remember if you support the death sentence or not.
 
Tousi said:
Leibling, what do you think they should do with him? I can't remember if you support the death sentence or not.


No, I do not support death penatly but life sentence.

I think he should involved with murders in prison then he will suffer rest of life there.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
No, I do not support death penatly but life sentence.


You don't support death penatly on their prior actions? But, You support to end Terri's life. What makes the criminals so special and not the innocents like Terri?
 
Cheri said:
You don't support death penatly on their prior actions? But, You support to end Terri's life. What makes the criminals so special and not the innocents like Terri?


Well, I support to end Terri´s life because I want to save her suffering. I want to see her peace after suffer for years like what we did with our pets... We don´t want to see our pets suffer but want to save their suffer then end their life peacefully. Terri doesn´t deserve to be suffer rest of her life...

I don´t want killer die because I want them SUFFER rest of their life to share with killers in prison. Did you know what prisoners did in prison? of course beat up, volience, etc. then they should learn their lesson how they hurt innoncent people... Is it okay to put Killer "sleep" to save their suffer? No, I want them suffer...
 
Liebling:-))) said:
...I want to see her peace after suffer for years like what we did with our pets... We don´t want to see our pets suffer but want to save their suffer then end their life peacefully....
Except Terri was a person, not a pet.

I don´t want killer die because I want them SUFFER rest of their life to share with killers in prison. Did you know what prisoners did in prison? of course beat up, volience, etc. then they should learn their lesson how they hurt innoncent people... Is it okay to put Killer "sleep" to save their suffer? No, I want them suffer...
Are you advocating "jailhouse justice"? That is, do you support prisoners violently attacking each other? I don't think I want to depend on that for a justice "system".

Did you know that many prisoners do not "suffer" in prison? They actually thrive on the lifestyle. They become gang leaders and sexual predators. Our tax dollars even pay for their sex change procedures. I'm guessing that more of them increase their bitterness and hatred against society than feeling "sorry" about their crimes. I'm guessing that very few of them in prison shed a tear for their victims.

Did you know that some violent criminals are eligible for parole every couple years? The family members of victims have to go thru a horrible experience of reliving the crime and facing the criminal, again and again, year after year. It is cruel to the victims.

Yes, so-called "life" sentences cause "suffering"--for the victims.

Something else to think about: Many people are against the death penalty because they say, "what if an innocent person is executed by mistake?"

I ask, "what if an innocent person (Terri) is starved to death by mistake?"

Why be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to killers on death row, but not to a helpless woman on a bed?
 
Reba said:
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Did you know that many prisoners do not "suffer" in prison? They actually thrive on the lifestyle. They become gang leaders and sexual predators. Our tax dollars even pay for their sex change procedures. I'm guessing that more of them increase their bitterness and hatred against society than feeling "sorry" about their crimes. I'm guessing that very few of them in prison shed a tear for their victims.

Did you know that some violent criminals are eligible for parole every couple years? The family members of victims have to go thru a horrible experience of reliving the crime and facing the criminal, again and again, year after year. It is cruel to the victims.

Yes, so-called "life" sentences cause "suffering"--for the victims.
...

That is generally correct. They don't really suffer with others "like" them. Why would they? Here you have a group of people who are incarcinated with others having done more or less the same thing. If there is trouble, it is typically between races like Whites, Blacks, or Hispanic. Like people always generally form groups...it is human nature. Sometimes, the trouble is extreme personalities or psychoticness.

If you want them to "suffer" but not execute them, then take away all their recreations like TV and iron pumping (which is the most stupid thing the prison system allows here at least in the US as they can be so much more dangerous for the guards) and other things that interest them. I let them have books that don't glorify violence as their only privilege (no porn and "Silence of the Lambs" type of crap). Better yet, manditory solitary confinement will go a long way to hitting them where it hurts...human relations. They would get 1 hour in the courtyard a day (staggered of course to reduce human contact and not allowed to talk to anybody...if they did, they lose the privilege for a week) and all their meals would be delivered to their cells.

Think how much less violent the prison system would be and how awful it would be for the prisoners (which is of course the intent of prisons). They would have far too much time on their hands thinking about why they are there. A lot more of them would not want to return to such harsh conditions and they wouldn't learn stuff from the worst ones. You could sort of "break" the cycle better.

Another thing, bringing back chain-gangs for the lessor criminals would also be beneficial. Why should they get a free ride at taxpayers expense? Most of these guys would really hate it but at least they are doing something. The worst ones are just too dangerous to be allowed to do these activities.
 
hannibal.jpg

This story reminds me of the Hannibal movies...seen "silence of the lambs", "Hannibal", and "Red Dragon".
 
I was reading these posts and I am curious...
Has anyone here actually BEEN to prison and KNOW what they are talking about???
It sounds like a lot of people here have the impression that prison is is just a walk in the park, and that is hardly the case.
 
Yeah if you seen the tv series, "Oz" on HBO...

you would know what prison REALLY looks like...
 
Steel X said:
Yeah if you seen the tv series, "Oz" on HBO...

you would know what prison REALLY looks like...

Ummm.....not really.
I was in prison and I know it is nothing like that presented on tv.
 
Beowulf said:
Ummm.....not really.
I was in prison and I know it is nothing like that presented on tv.

I have been told there is alots of hand to hand combat fighting in state prisons and max. prisons but in federal prisons everybody is locked up in their cells and federal prison is usually not that so violent like the state and max. prisons are.

Minimum prisons and community block prisons are usually not that violent because of the work release programs but the county jails... depends where the county jails are... if it is in a urban center then probably would be dangerous in a urban county jail but if it is in a very rural area then usually the rural county jails are not violent.

Military brigs are a whole another story.

I have family and relatives who work in correctional facilities as prison guards.
 
Reba said:
Except Terri was a person, not a pet.

Well, I consider human and pet the equal because they have the same feeling and suffering.

Are you advocating "jailhouse justice"? That is, do you support prisoners violently attacking each other? I don't think I want to depend on that for a justice "system".

It's impossible to deny because EVERYONE knows what prisoners did in prison house. Yes, they have justice system to protect volience, etc. but it's impossible for the guards to eye every prisoners for 24 hours... Most prisoners are killed in prison... and suffering... was delivered to hospitals dozen of times...

If guard caught the prisoners who hurt prisoner then put them in dark cell room...


Did you know that many prisoners do not "suffer" in prison?

Here is my answer on your question...

I would say rare, because I know what my step-dad had been through for 10 years in prison (bank robbery). He was raped by men there...

My British friend's brother was there, they use bowl to urine and poo to force him to eat them...

My one year young sister was beat up there, too. They tempt to rape her but she was saved.

Most prisoners are regretted what they did to victims. They wrote the letters to victims's family for forgive...



They actually thrive on the lifestyle. They become gang leaders and sexual predators.

Yes, they stay in prison for a long time to make them bitter...

I'm guessing that more of them increase their bitterness and hatred against society than feeling "sorry" about their crimes. I'm guessing that very few of them in prison shed a tear for their victims.[/

I have to honest with you... I don't think so. Most prisoners regretted what they did to victims... I agree that the prisoners who suffer mental health issues have no feeling toward their victims because they enjoy to hurt anyone. They were taught to hurt anyone in the past, that's why they getting use it to hurt themselves...

Did you know that some violent criminals are eligible for parole every couple years? The family members of victims have to go thru a horrible experience of reliving the crime and facing the criminal, again and again, year after year. It is cruel to the victims.

Opposite to Europeans, they are satisfy if the court agree to put killers life sentence. They disagree to put them death because it was like put "sleep" to save their suffer... I bet prisoners are happy when the court put them to death penalty.

Something else to think about: Many people are against the death penalty because they say, "what if an innocent person is executed by mistake?"

I ask, "what if an innocent person (Terri) is starved to death by mistake?"

Why be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to killers on death row, but not to a helpless woman on a bed?

I think I told you in other threads that I support euthanasia, not starve to death...

Did you know that the doctor gave Terri morphine drug? Why? Of course to reduce her pains. Why should you let her suffer her pain for other 15 years ?

I witnessed my mother-in-law scream for her pain - she was total different person when she scream, scream, scream like panic... I feel want to hug her to calm her down... it's impossible because her pain is toooo strong... My father-in-law called emergerny to give her morphine drug. She feel good and sleep alot after received morphine drug... Terri..? for other 15 years like this? No way, let her go peace. I consider it's cruel to let her suffer rest of her life like this.
 
Beowulf said:
I was reading these posts and I am curious...
Has anyone here actually BEEN to prison and KNOW what they are talking about???
It sounds like a lot of people here have the impression that prison is is just a walk in the park, and that is hardly the case.


I know, some people don't understand and think prison is a "paraisde" :roll: To me, "death penatly" is a paradise because my step-dad, sister and friend's brother were in prison... They are not killers but they suffer there... terrible...

Oh yes, my Dad was in prison for 1 year and learn his lesson and never go prison ever again.

Sure, they have Justice system to protect prisoners but it doesn't solve anything... Some of guards are not honest... break the law... They like to watch them fighting for the fun...


See the example about British Yorkshire Ripper... He was attacked by prisoners... Check picture of his big scar face...
http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/attackps.htm
 
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