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Jezie said:
And at the cost of many more harmed than it will ever benefit...
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Citation please, it's only polite. How do you KNOW this??
 
C-NICE said:
The opposite could never possibly happen? Almost sounds like you are hoping for negative results. The engineers & programmers could not possibly be right.
http://cochlearimplantonline.com/site/a-review-of-nucleus-6-by-a-nucleus-cochlear-implant-recipient/
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why not quote her actual words for what they are?
should i start misrepresenting you around here?

you're just a cultist who keeps posting from your religious websites
ist just like a jobeva witness with a sexual fetish for a product, came through but stayed.....sucks...
so you just keep posting the same gospel message,

yeah...yeah.,..
we get it...
 
If the new processors work you will have a nervous breakdown.
 
ambrosia said:
No I was implying that Jezie has a giant crush on you so she kisses your ass since she can't suck your dick.

Well unless she does? but if so I don't wanna know
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you do what to cncie ass with your dildo what?
 
C-NICE said:
If the new processors work you will have a nervous breakdown.
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why?
because i have a different opinion then you?

given what i do for a living, no nervous breakdown here...

now
besides psychic ability...
why not engage my actual words...
 
C-NICE said:
The opposite could never possibly happen? Almost sounds like you are hoping for negative results. The engineers & programmers could not possibly be right.
http://cochlearimplantonline.com/site/a-review-of-nucleus-6-by-a-nucleus-cochlear-implant-recipient/
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Never that... Why would I wish someone harm? The simple thing is, all the cites you have been given, the ones I have read, and following the thought through ...point to the most likely fact that it like the rest will have the same outcome... Until sign is given to them to prevent language deprivation harm will happen, until deaf children are not kept from deaf harm will still happen, it is not about the tech... It is the philosophy that goes with it that is the problem and causes the greatest harms...
 
Jezie said:
Never that... Why would I wish someone harm? The simple thing is, all the cites you have been given, the ones I have read, and following the thought through point to the most likely fact that it like the rest will have the same outcome... Until sign is given to them to prevent language deprivation harm will happen, until deaf children are not kept from deaf harm will still happen, it is not about the tech... It is the philosophy that goes with it that is the problem and causes the greatest harms...
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You can always look up the new processors and software then comment on them.
 
ambrosia said:
Ahhhh but did you notice that I said that that isn't bad? I'm just pointing out that it is to be expected that they're information is going to skewed to support their views..
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this is NOT actually true.
if you hold this position for everything then nothing itself can be objective or close to it.
so fine having accepted yoru above statement then lets move on...

where does that lead?
back to square one...

ambrosia said:
I also said somewhere between the two, the people who say how great it is and the people that say how bad it is.....is where you're going to find the truth.
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this is not even part of the critique or our opposition, so its irrelevant really,


ambrosia said:
Examples, let's take the variables. The paper on the reduction of harm......which by the way I am for.......from their study citations, many would start off saying something along the lines of cochlear implantation is effective tool blah blah but there are variable success rates blah blah. Now really that means there's some superstars, there's some failures, and probably a boat load of passably good. Now a cochlear implant company is going to be focusing on those good numbers and the other is going to focusing on the bad, both insinuating that one end of the extreme or the other is the majority.......the significant amount. But both are probably wrong. It's not a majority are rockstar CI users nor is it a bunch of nonfunctional deaf kids eating paint.

They'll use that word......significant, which is pretty damn subjective. It's not an exact number or quantifiable amount, it's just what the person looking at thinks is important.

Anyway, back to the interesting stuff in their sources. So them not knowing the variables. Unfortunately most of the info was wicked dated. I mean a lot of them from like 1997 and studied kids who had been implanted for at least 5 years. That means they'd been implanted in 1992 at the latest. That tech is practically dinosaurs today......But one study was in Australia. They studied two groups of kids, some from Melbourne and some from Sydney. Now the kids in one city were doing better than the kids in the other, I forget which one is which. That does indicate that maybe the support systems in place have a great amount of impact.
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im curious why you would ignore a posted study in this thread, and then go to a long gone thread to get another study, yet ignore to even engage a study i posted in this thread?

Infants and children with hearing loss need need early language access said:
Speech alone, however, is not sufficient language input for a deaf child. Although CI is available for children who have bilateral severe to profound hearing loss that is unresponsive to amplification, and it typically shows strong success with children implanted before 18 months,52 individual variation is pervasive.53 For instance, research reports that successful CI outcomes best correlate with higher socioeconomic status and parental speech characteristics, specifically mean-length of utterance.54 In contrast, a persistent 21 percent of implanted children receive no linguistic benefits from CI (instead, they perceive only noise).55 For the 79 percent of implanted children who range from receiving minimal to substantial linguistic input from CI (that is, from being able to recognize alarm bells and fire engine sirens but not speech sounds, to being able to use the telephone), the device still neither restores nor effects normal hearing. Even a skilled recipient of CI receives no benefit when an implant malfunctions or when an external apparatus must be removed, such as for sports events or sleeping (which can be interrupted by an emergency that requires communication). Thus, their communication abilities need to be supplemented by contextual clues and speechreading, which makes language a constant task that requires focused attention and substantial effort. All these children need, and deserve, a language that they can use with ease, just as hearing children do.

Further, there is a growing body of evidence that CI, as a technology, presents no advantage to a deaf child over a hearing aid (HA) or other form of assistance with respect to the development of cognitive abilities such as executive function. Executive function has been found to be less well developed in children with CI or HA than it is in hearing children.56
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3072291/

further..and it is important here to understand

besides product loyalty, and religious conviction what is in this for you?

since your not one of us, your NOT Deaf, you don't know our language, not a part of our culture, don't really care about our ways, or ideas, or values,,,
im trying to figure this out..

only two other product lines i have encountered besides CI generates so much religious devotion, loyalty and cult like behaviour in its adherents..,

apple,,

and drugs...

its a strange thing...


im in this for my people and our children's future your in this to pitch products for the next steve jobs..(rolls eyes,) or who ever CI cult leaders picture you finger yourself with late at night...

anyway..
shrugs shoulders...
movin along..
 
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C-NICE said:
Poo Pottymouth. A little frustration there.
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no i let the girl initiate the dance sometimes,,,,,,

i grew up in a bar and the back stretch of the race track,,,,,so im more at home getting dirty, filthy frankly, frankly disgusting, you won't believe the images i can put right into your brain over and over and over again if i wish....

i wont..
i was merely repaying the lady in kind..

it was being polite..
 
C-NICE said:
You can always look up the new processors and software then comment on them.
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its not about the tech specs, it's about something altogether different...

to help illuminate what its about

what do you think the D-in Deaf means?
what do you think the d in deaf means?
 
C-NICE said:
You can always look up the new processors and software then comment on them.
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So sure I have not? It is not the tech that is the issue, it is the philosophy that goes with it and those that follow it so strongly it becomes like a religion to them...
 
C-NICE said:
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Well if the new CIs work as well as some Apple products. Apple is working with HA/CI corps.
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indeed..
have you ever, in your life came across the expression canary in a coal mine?
 
Your culturally Deaf and I'm not. You use that fact like a club. If you are example of the culturally Deaf today, I not too broken up about that fact.







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