Union group storms into a Walmart

[CrazyPaul]

At least THEY have a job. I'd gladly take a job that pays $5 per hr because it's so hard to find a job these days. Any job is better than none at all.

That's not the point. When you work for a same company for a long time, you expect a pay raise due to increased cost of living. Can you tell me why CEOs always get pay raises?

Originally Posted by Babyblue
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Bosses can be intimidating also with their... You either work on Thanksgiving and Christmas day, or you are fired attitude. The Union protects workers that are overworked and underpaid. Walmart can afford to pay people better. It is all about GREED with large chained businesses.

 

[Reba]

How do you think they feel when they make $10 per hr for five years or so? There is no union to help them so that's why Walmart doesn't care about them living a hard life.

I didn't ask about feelings. I'm sure everyone feels they deserve more pay but not every job is worth more pay.

What do the unionized retail employes earn for the same tasks?

 

[Reba]

That's not the point. When you work for a same company for a long time, you expect a pay raise due to increased cost of living. Can you tell me why CEOs always get pay raises?

I thought the purpose of paying employes was for the value of their labor, not for subsidizing the cost of living.

CEOs get pay raises based on their value to the company, not for cost of living expenses.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I didn't ask about feelings. I'm sure everyone feels they deserve more pay but not every job is worth more pay.

What do the unionized retail employes earn for the same tasks?

Oh, that's easy. FAIRNESS!

 

[Reba]

Oh, that's easy. FAIRNESS!

How much pay does that equal?

 

[CrazyPaul]

I thought the purpose of paying employes was for the value of their labor, not for subsidizing the cost of living.

CEOs get pay raises based on their value to the company, not for cost of living expenses.

Know what? The Postmaster General announced that we, Postal workers excluding CEOs are valuable to USPS. That means without us, there would be no USPS.
Same thing with Walmart.

 

[Reba]

Know what? The Postmaster General announced that we, Postal workers excluding CEOs are valuable to USPS. That means without us, there would be no USPS.
Same thing with Walmart.

I didn't say workers have no value.

Obviously, corporations find it easier to replace wage workers than executives, and they pay people accordingly.

I'm sure that the PG's announcement made everyone feel better but did he include a bonus check with that announcement?

Do postal employees believe that they aren't replaceable?

If you don't believe CEO's are paid for their value to the corporation, what do you think they're paid for? Their good looks?

 

[saywhatkid]

If Walmart workers earn less per hour and have terrible working conditions, why do they work there instead of other retail stores? Are the working conditions and wages at union retail stores so much better?

Our economy dictates that result for many jobless people. We could go round and round about the unemployment figures, but I could easily get "political" here. Isn't it (according to Conservative media spewers) something like 20%? Where are all these union jobs???

If Walmart workers joined a union this week, what kind of new benefits would they get? What would change for them (other than having to pay union dues)?

We will never know. Imagine the outrage if people had to pay a dollar more for their designer clothing! And let's not forget the "value to the company" of those executives that farm most of the jobs overseas, then give themselves hefty wage increases. "Gosh are we smart!"

When you start to complain about the inevitable inflation, blame those execs for needing more millions in salaries. Don't blame the other workers; remember the Chinese are making trash wages for working in factories without regulations. Have you seen pictures of the air pollution?

Anyhow, I am gonna go. No point in beating a dead horse. Same crap, different day.

 

[saywhatkid]

How do you think they feel when they make $10 per hr for five years or so? There is no union to help them so that's why Walmart doesn't care about them living a hard life.

Where do they make this kind of money? I assumed it was minimum wage.

 

[Beowulf]

I didn't say workers have no value.

Obviously, corporations find it easier to replace wage workers than executives, and they pay people accordingly.

I'm sure that the PG's announcement made everyone feel better but did he include a bonus check with that announcement?

Do postal employees believe that they aren't replaceable?

If you don't believe CEO's are paid for their value to the corporation, what do you think they're paid for? Their good looks?

Getting yearly multi-million dollar bonuses somehow begs the question: are they that valuable? Don't you think greed enters the picture? Do you honestly believe that it is greed that drives the low-paid workers to get increases in their income, or necessity?
I am not trying to start an argument, just thinking aloud. Personally I think unions are necessary in parts of the work force, and I also believe that people deserve livable wages. Sure, we often hear the cry, "Get a college degree!" but that is not realistic for many reasons. Oh well.

 

[saywhatkid]

Getting yearly multi-million dollar bonuses somehow begs the question: are they that valuable? Don't you think greed enters the picture? Do you honestly believe that it is greed that drives the low-paid workers to get increases in their income, or necessity?
I am not trying to start an argument, just thinking aloud. Personally I think unions are necessary in parts of the work force, and I also believe that people deserve livable wages. Sure, we often hear the cry, "Get a college degree!" but that is not realistic for many reasons. Oh well.

The interesting thing, to me, is what I heard from the Limbaugh-types; thanks to the current regime, there are no jobs, so go find one. :roll:

Anyhow, their viewpoint is that people make their own luck. Imagine how it would feel to need a job when you are 50. Lots of us out there.

 

[Reba]

We will never know. Imagine the outrage if people had to pay a dollar more for their designer clothing!

Are you referring to Walmart? Is that considered "designer clothing?

And let's not forget the "value to the company" of those executives that farm most of the jobs overseas, then give themselves hefty wage increases. "Gosh are we smart!"

I would guess that the value of executives is determined by their board of directors, not the consumers nor me.

When you start to complain about the inevitable inflation, blame those execs for needing more millions in salaries. Don't blame the other workers; remember the Chinese are making trash wages for working in factories without regulations. Have you seen pictures of the air pollution?

To whom are you addressing the "you?" I certainly don't think executives are "needing more millions," and I don't blame workers for wanting more income.

Anyhow, I am gonna go. No point in beating a dead horse.

Same crap, different day.

OK.

 

[Reba]

Getting yearly multi-million dollar bonuses somehow begs the question: are they that valuable?

I wouldn't know. I'm not the one who decides that. I guess you'd have to ask their boards or read their annual statements for the clues.

Don't you think greed enters the picture? Do you honestly believe that it is greed that drives the low-paid workers to get increases in their income, or necessity?

I would say motivation is an individual drive. I don't believe I've ever said or even insinuated that low-paid workers are greedy just for wanting increases in income.

I am not trying to start an argument, just thinking aloud.

Essentially that's what I'm doing, too. Just because I explain something doesn't mean I agree with it or endorse it. Also, just because I question something doesn't mean I'm making accusations. We should all be able to discuss these things without taking every statement as a personal affront.

Personally I think unions are necessary in parts of the work force,

I do, too. I also believe that some unions have taken on a life force of their own beyond caring for the worker.

... and I also believe that people deserve livable wages.

Honestly, not every job is designed to provide a wage that will support a family. Jobs aren't made to support workers. Jobs are made to provide goods and services.

Sure, we often hear the cry, "Get a college degree!" but that is not realistic for many reasons. Oh well.

I think the Holy Grail of a college degree requirement for every worker is totally unrealistic, unnecessary, and demoralizing for people who are plenty skilled and hard working but without that piece of sheepskin. Too many people have missed out on opportunities of OJT and apprenticeship.

 

[goodonya]

Workers still have the right to organize. It is a very functional way to employ large numbers of workers in a coordinated effort. They in a organized way try to achieve what large employers purely hate. That is workers having the means to live independently of the company and to achieve a higher standard of living.

The present model being propagandized to us by the far right wing is a guarantee of most of the money ending up in the pockets of the superrich. The right wing Supreme Court now tells us that Corporations are the same as people. So my statement includes corporate interests as well.

The truly sad thing is that they have been so successful at taking Americas wealth and redistributing it to themselves. I personally feel no sorrow for WalMart if they are forced by a determined workforce to go union. Rich executives may have to throttle back on their ever increasing wage packages. Oh Wah.

 

[Foxrac]

I know some states have right to work laws.

I think it is necessary.

If union offer lousy contract so I don't think that I want pay union due for lousy contract that doesn't satisfy me.

The unions are nearly nonexistent in retail jobs over US.

 

[Reba]

How much more do unionized retail workers make in wages compared to Walmart workers?

 

[Foxrac]

How much more do unionized retail workers make in wages compared to Walmart workers?

Probably few more, like $2-$3 extra per hour.

Hard to tell because unionized retail stores are nearly nonexistent unless you were in 1930s-1950s.

 

[Reba]

Probably few more, like $2-$3 extra per hour.

Hard to tell because unionized retail stores are nearly nonexistent unless you were in 1930s-1950s.

Probably? Doesn't anyone know? There are lots of other retail stores, not just Walmart. Aren't the unions proud of the wage accomplishments they got for retail workers?

If the unions are important, why can't they back up their claims with some facts? Who cares about choreographed demonstrations? Tell us factually what concrete benefits unions can bring to the table for workers.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Probably? Doesn't anyone know? There are lots of other retail stores, not just Walmart. Aren't the unions proud of the wage accomplishments they got for retail workers?

If the unions are important, why can't they back up their claims with some facts? Who cares about choreographed demonstrations? Tell us factually what concrete benefits unions can bring to the table for workers.

Well, if Ralph's (large chained food market) is a retail store, then yes the union won after a long strike. Ralph's agrees to pay more and offer better benefits.

 

[Foxrac]

Probably? Doesn't anyone know? There are lots of other retail stores, not just Walmart. Aren't the unions proud of the wage accomplishments they got for retail workers?

If the unions are important, why can't they back up their claims with some facts? Who cares about choreographed demonstrations? Tell us factually what concrete benefits unions can bring to the table for workers.

Oh... I took idea from CrazyPaul, only unionized retail store will be grocery store like Kroger, Ralph's, Safeway, but definitely not in southern states.

Publix is non-union grocery store, so possibly are Whole Foods and The Fresh Market (they sell seafood that come from Alabama gulf shore).

I live in rural area so we have some farm markets as well.

Well, if Ralph's (large chained food market) is a retail store, then yes the union won after a long strike. Ralph's agrees to pay more and offer better benefits.

Could you tell us about how much they make per hour?