2 Killers escape jail with bogus documents

diehardbiker said:
If you ever wonder why Alcatraz prison has golden rule, it is called Silence. No one in that prison is allowed to talk with each other. The real intention for this rule is to prevent them from attempt escape from the prison. Somehow three inmates manage to escaped from Alcatraz. They found way to communicate with each other without getting caught.
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Alcatraz has been closed for decades, and its location on an island made its security situation unique. I'm not sure that methods that might have worked there long ago would work today in the new prisons.

Also, have you wondering how come China has much less police state than we got here, and they got smaller prison population than here, and their crime rate is very low comparing to here. The difference between here and China is China prison is very brutal, and involves hard labor and there is not much free time down there in China prisons.
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They don't have to worry about restrictions of "cruel and unusual" punishments. Also, the way their entire society is structured and the kind of government control they have make it possible to even further blur the difference between being actually incarcerated and living imprisoned.
 
Reba said:
Alcatraz has been closed for decades, and its location on an island made its security situation unique. I'm not sure that methods that might have worked there long ago would work today in the new prisons.


They don't have to worry about restrictions of "cruel and unusual" punishments. Also, the way their entire society is structured and the kind of government control they have make it possible to even further blur the difference between being actually incarcerated and living imprisoned.
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Death penalty is only option to execute the murderers, so it is constitutional by US Supreme Court.
 
diehardbiker said:
12-14 hours everyday, 7 days week, no weekends, no holidays.

Punishment should fit the crime. This will scare anyone who would think of attempt crimes.
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HOW would you enforce their labor? That's what I keep asking.

What exactly do you mean "punishment should fit the crime?" Eye-for-an-eye type punishment?
 
diehardbiker said:
Isn't murder itself cruel and unusual? Does their victim free of suffering and pain?
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Of course it is. That's not the question. We have to follow the law when it comes to sentencing.

For instance, Scott Wade Smith from Westmoreland, PA. His sentence was way way way too lenient, 10 years sentence for raping 5 months old girl. Isn't raping 5 months old girl cruel and/or unusual? All Scott Wade Smith doing right now is sit in 5 ft by 7 ft cell do nothing, except maybe doing his private sickening business WHILE this poor 5 months old girl now suffering lifetime suffering and pain.

I believe that punishment should fit the crime whether it is harsh or not.
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In other words, you want to ignore the US Constitution when it comes to sentencing?
 
Right, they knew that it was a failure, and they do not want to repeat the same mistake and abandoned a very costly facility and they have built one near Florence, Colorado called ADMAX where each prisoners don't have any way to interact with other inmates and they are left absolute alone 24/7 and they can get out of prison for an hour, no less than 23 hours apart. Their (inmate) human exposure is extremely limited, and these that they exposed is only prison guards. Downright isolation, eh?

Reba said:
Alcatraz has been closed for decades, and its location on an island made its security situation unique. I'm not sure that methods that might have worked there long ago would work today in the new prisons.
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Punishment to fit the crime is not cruel and unusual. I think that is where the grey area falls on. I think it means that if somebody steals, say a tablet, ended up punished for the rest of life in prison as compared as those who took somebody's life away would end up in prison for the rest of life. Here is catch, Stealing tablet and stuck in prison for rest of life, is that cruel and unusual as compared as murdered spend rest of life in prison as cruel and unusual?

Reba said:
Of course it is. That's not the question. We have to follow the law when it comes to sentencing.


In other words, you want to ignore the US Constitution when it comes to sentencing?
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What I don't understand between prisoners and those free Americans who earn living. There are bunch of Americans that work very hard, some do work 14 hours every day and earn their living, and average working people work almost every day to make living, why prison is exempted from that? How can labor camp be cruel and unusual in prison while free man have to work hard and earn? This is something that Americans seriously missed out causing flaw in our justice system.

I would agree that this would be cruel and unusual when prisons giving lashes like in Saudi Arab, Singapore and some other countries does.

The idea of labor camp is very simple, giving them basic value of labor and they got to earn them and use their labor to repay for their crimes. No free cards for them. Sitting and do nothing simply give them free card to be excuse from working to earn living. Sad!

The truth is most hard core criminal don't want to work and earn living and that needs to be changed.
 
diehardbiker said:
Punishment to fit the crime is not cruel and unusual. I think that is where the grey area falls on. I think it means that if somebody steals, say a tablet, ended up punished for the rest of life in prison as compared as those who took somebody's life away would end up in prison for the rest of life. Here is catch, Stealing tablet and stuck in prison for rest of life, is that cruel and unusual as compared as murdered spend rest of life in prison as cruel and unusual?
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I would say that simply stealing a tablet with no other extenuating circumstances would certainly not worthy of life in prison. However, that doesn't mean we're allowed to use cruel and unusual punishment on any prisoners. We have to follow the law, not our feelings.

In the case of these two escapees, they committed murder. That's why they got life sentences.
 
diehardbiker said:
What I don't understand between prisoners and those free Americans who earn living. There are bunch of Americans that work very hard, some do work 14 hours every day and earn their living, and average working people work almost every day to make living, why prison is exempted from that? How can labor camp be cruel and unusual in prison while free man have to work hard and earn? This is something that Americans seriously missed out causing flaw in our justice system.

I would agree that this would be cruel and unusual when prisons giving lashes like in Saudi Arab, Singapore and some other countries does.

The idea of labor camp is very simple, giving them basic value of labor and they got to earn them and use their labor to repay for their crimes. No free cards for them. Sitting and do nothing simply give them free card to be excuse from working to earn living. Sad!

The truth is most hard core criminal don't want to work and earn living and that needs to be changed.
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you have too much time on your hands
 
diehardbiker said:
What I don't understand between prisoners and those free Americans who earn living. There are bunch of Americans that work very hard, some do work 14 hours every day and earn their living, and average working people work almost every day to make living, why prison is exempted from that? How can labor camp be cruel and unusual in prison while free man have to work hard and earn? This is something that Americans seriously missed out causing flaw in our justice system.
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I'm not opposed to prisoners working hard. I'm asking you, how would you force them to work hard? What method/s would you use? If lifers refuse to get off their duffs, how would you make them work?

I would agree that this would be cruel and unusual when prisons giving lashes like in Saudi Arab, Singapore and some other countries does.

The idea of labor camp is very simple, giving them basic value of labor and they got to earn them and use their labor to repay for their crimes. No free cards for them. Sitting and do nothing simply give them free card to be excuse from working to earn living. Sad!

The truth is most hard core criminal don't want to work and earn living and that needs to be changed.
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I don't understand how labor repays violent crimes such as rape, assault, and murder.

I don't think the goal of prisons is for "hard core criminals" to earn a living. Prison isn't Job Corps.
 
Care to explain why we have the highest prison population in the world?
Care to explain why prisoners kept coming back after release from prisons?
Care explain what benefits we got when they sit and do absolutely nothing?
Care explain what Victims gets in return from these crimes?
Care explain why we have one of the highest police state ratio with citizens?
Care explain why avoid serious reform that really needed and long overdue?
Care explain why we should pay more for these who do harm to us, while you getting less than 600 dollars a month from SS, yet government is paying them average of more than thousand of dollars each months to house, fed them and so on?

Reba said:
I'm not opposed to prisoners working hard. I'm asking you, how would you force them to work hard? What method/s would you use? If lifers refuse to get off their duffs, how would you make them work?


I don't understand how labor repays violent crimes such as rape, assault, and murder.

I don't think the goal of prisons is for "hard core criminals" to earn a living. Prison isn't Job Corps.
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diehardbiker said:
Care to explain why we have the highest prison population in the world?
Care to explain why prisoners kept coming back after release from prisons?
Care explain what benefits we got when they sit and do absolutely nothing?
Care explain what Victims gets in return from these crimes?
Care explain why we have one of the highest police state ratio with citizens?
Care explain why avoid serious reform that really needed and long overdue?
Care explain why we should pay more for these who do harm to us, while you getting less than 600 dollars a month from SS, yet government is paying them average of more than thousand of dollars each months to house, fed them and so on?
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simple solution... death penalty :cool2:
 
There is one computer that interpreted by US Constitution.

What is punishment for murderers?

A) Death Penalty

B) Life Imprisonment

You have choice - pick one.
 
Foxrac said:
There is one computer that interpreted by US Constitution.

What is punishment for murderers?

A) Death Penalty

B) Life Imprisonment

You have choice - pick one.
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*repeatedly pressing A*
 
diehardbiker said:
Thats Murder! I am opposed to death penalty
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I see so much irony....

diehardbiker said:
Wow you got so much time here, guess you are getting SSI or SSDi checks and bashing everybody around. Hmmm
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oic... yea sure I'm collecting SSI/SSDI while I'm working full-time and I'm committing a fraud. does that mean death penalty for me? :lol:
 
diehardbiker said:
Your murder, murder, murder... You deserve go jail for rest of your life.
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That is your opinion , I feel if a person committed a horrible crime and they have no remorse , they should get the death sentence . I feel Charles Manson should had gotten the death sentence and this is my opinion.
 
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Jiro said:
Foxrac said:
There is one computer that interpreted by US Constitution.

What is punishment for murderers?

A) Death Penalty

B) Life Imprisonment

You have choice - pick one.
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*repeatedly pressing A*
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Do you all realize it cost the tax payers A LOT more to have the death sentence than the cost of a life sentence. If you don't believe me, then google it.
 
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