Zimmerman attorneys say Trayvon Martin was on drugs

[Reba]

Zimmerman reenacts the night of attack.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxmO9hXHC_o"]George Zimmerman Reenactment Of Trayvon Martin Shooting (Part 2) - YouTube[/ame]


I'm sorry that this isn't a captioned version, and the automate captions are useless (totally inaccurate). I couldn't find one with captions but maybe someone else can.

It does at least give you an idea of what the area looks like from ground level, and a feeling for the distances involved. Also, note how Zimmerman looked at that time.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Zimmerman reenacts the night of attack.

Raw Video: George Zimmerman reenacts incident for Sanford Police - YouTube

George Zimmerman Reenactment Of Trayvon Martin Shooting (Part 2) - YouTube


I'm sorry that this isn't a captioned version, and the automate captions are useless (totally inaccurate). I couldn't find one with captions but maybe someone else can.

It does at least give you an idea of what the area looks like from ground level, and a feeling for the distances involved. Also, note how Zimmerman looked at that time.

Can you at least type down what he said briefly, PLEASE?

 

[Reba]

Can you at least type down what he said briefly, PLEASE?

It wouldn't be synched with the action.

 

[Foxrac]

I read news about what happened before he got arrested.

That's his side of the story and I believe him. There is a hard evidience which are pictures of his bloody nose and back of his head that TM did to him. If GZ didn't carry his gun, he would be dead from brain damage. That would be a murder by TM.

Of course, Jiro doesn't believe GZ's story.

You and Jiro drove me

Doesn't believe GZ's story? Did you believe witnesses's stories?

Jiro has CCW permit, but you don't so he knows about occurrence in self defense.

Can you at least type down what he said briefly, PLEASE?

Will you pay her to get video captioned? Ask her for price - may expensive for you.

 

[CrazyPaul]

You and Jiro drove me

Doesn't believe GZ's story? Did you believe witnesses's stories?

I remember reading that there were two EYEwitnesses, One of them was a kid but his mother forced him to lie.

Jiro has CCW permit, but you don't so he knows about occurrence in self defense.

WTF? He has CCW permit but it doesn't mean that he's right.

Will you pay her to get video captioned? Ask her for price - may expensive for you.

I was asking for a favor. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Jiro]

I read news about what happened before he got arrested.

That's his side of the story and I believe him. There is a hard evidience which are pictures of his bloody nose and back of his head that TM did to him. If GZ didn't carry his gun, he would be dead from brain damage. That would be a murder by TM.

Of course, Jiro doesn't believe GZ's story.

uh.... NOBODY would have died or got hurt. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, he wouldn't get out of his car. He will just call 911 and move on.

 

[CrazyPaul]

uh.... NOBODY would have died or got hurt. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, he wouldn't get out of his car. He will just call 911 and move on.

TM could ignore him and walk straight home. *shrug*

 

[Jiro]

TM could ignore him and walk straight home. *shrug*

are you going to ignore a suspicious person getting out of a car and following you all the way to your house?

simple - STAY IN YOUR STUPID CAR!

 

[CrazyPaul]

are you going to ignore a suspicious person getting out of a car and following you all the way to your house?

simple - STAY IN YOUR STUPID CAR!

You sound like a control freak.

 

[Jiro]

You sound like a control freak.

I sound like a sensible guy with common sense. He sounds like a cop-wannabe freak.

I keep laughing because you always avoid answering my questions and yet... you keep accusing me of not answering your questions. let's try again.

Are you going to ignore a suspicious person getting out of a car and following you all the way to your house?

 

[CrazyPaul]

I sound like a sensible guy with common sense. He sounds like a cop-wannabe freak.

I keep laughing because you always avoid answering my questions and yet... you keep accusing me of not answering your questions. let's try again.

Are you going to ignore a suspicious person getting out of a car and following you all the way to your house?

If GZ STALKS me, I run as fast as I can into my house and call 911. BUT that's not what happened in the incident. He didn't stalk TM all the way. *shrug*

 

[Jiro]

If GZ STALKS me, I run as fast as I can into my house and call 911. BUT that's not what happened in the incident. He didn't stalk TM all the way. *shrug*

Ah! there you go! imagine what happens when you call 911 and cop came? a cop would detain him and search him..... and guess what? a cop found a gun on him.

even though Zimmerman has a CCW license.... but a cop arrested him anyway. take a guess what for.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Ah! there you go! imagine what happens when you call 911 and cop came? a cop would detain him and search him..... and guess what? a cop found a gun on him.

even though Zimmerman has a CCW license.... but a cop arrested him anyway. take a guess what for.

No, they would let him go since he was doing a neighborhood watch. The police would tell me about this and that he thought I was a burglar. No harm done!

My point is that TM didn't do it this way. Instead, he attacked GZ. That was a dumb move.

 

[Jiro]

No, they would let him go since he was doing a neighborhood watch. The police would tell me about this and that he thought I was a burglar. No harm done!

My point is that TM didn't do it this way. Instead, he attacked GZ. That was a dumb move.

nope. the Florida law specifically stated that an armed citizen is not supposed to get into a dangerous situation or take matters into his own hands.

Post #255

What if I see a crime being committed?
A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman. But, as stated earlier, deadly force is justified if you are trying to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. The use of deadly force must be absolutely necessary to prevent the crime. Also, if the criminal runs away, you cannot use deadly force to stop him, because you would no longer be "preventing" a crime. If use of deadly force is not necessary, or you use deadly force after the crime has stopped, you would be convicted of manslaughter.

2. The amount of force that you use to defend yourself must not be excessive under the circumstances:

• Never use deadly force in self-defense unless you are afraid that if you don't, you will be killed or seriously injured;
• Verbal threats never justify your use of deadly force;
• If you think someone has a weapon and will use it unless you kill them, be sure you are right and are not overreacting to the situation.

since he thought you were a burglar and you were running away... he's not allowed to pursue you. since he pursued you and you got scared... and since he has a gun... he would get into a huge legal mess.

 

[CrazyPaul]

nope. the Florida law specifically stated that an armed citizen is not supposed to get into a dangerous situation or take matters into his own hands.

since he thought you were a burglar and you were running away... he's not allowed to pursue you. since he pursued you and you got scared... and since he has a gun... he would get into a huge legal mess.

Use your common sense. If GZ saw me entering my home with my key or visiting my friend or family member who let me in, then he would know that I am not a burglar and call 911 to drop it. In other words, I'd not need to confront him and attack him like TM did. Then we could move on.

I believe what happened is that TM saw GZ making a 911 call and he didn't like it so he got pissed off and played mouse and cat with GZ. When GZ was on the way back to his vehicle, TM came out behind him to attack him. Again that was a dumb move. If GZ didn't have a gun on him, he would be the dead one or would be in coma.

 

[Jiro]

Use your common sense. If GZ saw me entering my home with my key or visiting my friend or family member who let me in, then he would know that I am not a burglar and call 911 to drop it. In other words, I'd not need to confront him and attack him like TM did. Then we could move on.

I believe what happened is that TM saw GZ making a 911 call and he didn't like it so he got pissed off and played mouse and cat with GZ. When GZ was on the way back to his vehicle, TM came out behind him to attack him. Again that was a dumb move. If GZ didn't have a gun on him, he would be the dead one or would be in coma.

how you know he's not a mugger?

 

[CrazyPaul]

how you know he's not a mugger?

If I suspect that he's a mugger, I call 911 after I get home. Do not confront a stranger. Period!

 

[Jiro]

If I suspect that he's a mugger, I call 911 after I get home. Do not confront a stranger. Period!

why? the Florida law doesn't require you to retreat. in fact - it allows you to defend yourself from a criminal... hence STAND YOUR GROUND law.

Do not confront a stranger. Period!

and that's exactly what Zimmerman should have done. It's illegal for an armed citizen to confront anyone for any reason.

 

[CrazyPaul]

why? the Florida law doesn't require you to retreat. in fact - it allows you to defend yourself from a criminal... hence STAND YOUR GROUND law.

Are you ****ing crazy? This criminal may have a gun or knife and I don't so how do I defend myself? Don't think that all of us carry a gun. This is not a wild wild west.

and that's exactly what Zimmerman should have done. It's illegal for an armed citizen to confront anyone for any reason.

Did he?

I read that the girl (TM's girlfriend?) whom he talked to via his mobile phone is no longer a credible witness so the prosecutor will not probably use her during the trial.

 

[Jiro]

Are you ****ing crazy? This criminal may have a gun or knife and I don't so how do I defend myself? Don't think that all of us carry a gun.

but it's Florida... anybody can be carrying a gun or knife - legally. so now you see why Zimmerman's "***ing" crazy for going after him... oh wait... it's because he had a gun, right? so he must have felt like a big man.

Did he?

I read that the girl (TM's girlfriend?) whom he talked to via his mobile phone is no longer a credible witness so the prosecutor will not probably use her during the trial.

yes he did. that's why the detective didn't believe him.