Zimmerman attorneys say Trayvon Martin was on drugs

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Jiro said:
therefore.... Zimmerman was paranoid, delusional, and confused.
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Calling 9-1-1 is proof of paranoia, delusion, and confusion? I thought it was a response to "If you see something, say something."
 
Reba said:
One more time.

If a guy has someone on the ground and is beating that person to a pulp, and that person can't physically get away but he does have a gun on his person, what should he do?

From your response it seems you suggest to just lie there and take a beating, perhaps even a fatal beating.

Remember, I'm not asking about "rights" or legal defense.
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nada. zip. zilch. it makes no sense.

that's like saying - if a mugger attacked me and I fought back because I'm, say... trained by Chuck Norris, and I'm beating him to a pulp... should he shoot at me to defend himself?
 
Reba said:
Calling 9-1-1 is proof of paranoia, delusion, and confusion? I thought it was a response to "If you see something, say something."
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absolutely! definitely call 911 to report a suspicious person and that should be the only extent of his involvement in this situation.

even after the fact that he told 911 dispatcher that Trayvon may have something in his hands/pants (like... a gun? knife?) and he may be on drug and yet... he chased a potentially dangerous person?

oh my... was he deluding himself as a cop?
 
Jiro said:
therefore.... Zimmerman was paranoid, delusional, and confused.


it was a considerable distance from his car to where Trayvon got shot. watched? more like chased. Trayvon wasn't going to go down like a dog. He was going to stand his ground with his fists and Zimmerman shot him down.
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Say what?....He attacked Zimmerman first...had him on the ground, beating him up....and yeah...a young dude like Trayvon has the physical advantage over the older and overweight Zimmerman....PLUS....this is the first time I've seen Trayvon being called a "dog"....And yeah, I'm very confident Trayvon was on drugs...he was on video at a convenience store right before this happened..."swaying" at the counter....buying his munchies (Skittles).....

I'm telling you....if anybody attacked me, had me on the ground and was punching me with his fists....I would do everything in my power to get that guy off of me....and if I did have a gun...I'd blow his brains out.. rather than be beat to death....or even injured.

Not sorry to say that Trayvon is the "little angel" the prosecutors are trying to make him out of!....He's a Punk!...
 
rockin'robin said:
Say what?....He attacked Zimmerman first...had him on the ground, beating him up....and yeah...a young dude like Trayvon has the physical advantage over the older and overweight Zimmerman....PLUS....this is the first time I've seen Trayvon being called a "dog"....And yeah, I'm very confident Trayvon was on drugs...he was on video at a convenience store right before this happened..."swaying" at the counter....buying his munchies (Skittles).....

I'm telling you....if anybody attacked me, had me on the ground and was punching me with his fists....I would do everything in my power to get that guy off of me....and if I did have a gun...I'd blow his brains out.. rather than be beat to death....or even injured.

Not sorry to say that Trayvon is the "little angel" the prosecutors are trying to make him out of!....He's a Punk!...
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so Trayvon has a physical advantage over you and he may be on drug... would you chase after him then?
 
Jiro said:
so Trayvon has a physical advantage over you and he may be on drug... would you chase after him then?
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All depends upon what you really mean by "chase"....Z never did run up to T ....IN HIS FACE....and say what the hell are you doing out here...and Z did not get into T face either....Z did keep his distance.......Z simply asked....and believe T threw the first punch...
 
rockin'robin said:
All depends upon what you really mean by "chase"....Z never did run up to T ....IN HIS FACE....and say what the hell are you doing out here...and Z did not get into T face either....Z did keep his distance.......Z simply asked....and believe T threw the first punch...
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there is a considerable distance between his car and the site.... definitely a chase long enough to get up to T's face instead of other way around.... unless Trayvon dragged him all the way down.... :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
nada. zip. zilch. it makes no sense.

that's like saying - if a mugger attacked me and I fought back because I'm, say... trained by Chuck Norris, and I'm beating him to a pulp... should he shoot at me to defend himself?
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Now see that's not a straight-forward answer. Answer what you would do if someone beat you up to death and you have your gun on you. Stop saying bullshit like "trained by Chuck Norris", WTF? See, you are off point again and again. ANYWAY, I believe that you would shoot him like GZ did.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Now see that's not a straight-forward answer. Answer what you would do if someone beat you up to death and you have your gun on you. Stop saying bullshit like "trained by Chuck Norris", WTF? See, you are off point again and again. ANYWAY, I believe that you would shoot him.
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sure I'd shoot him but I'd be arrested.

you are not understanding it clearly. if you got a gun and you are mugging someone... but somehow he overpowered you and he's beating you to a pulp... you're gonna shoot him to protect yourself, right? but you're gonna go to jail.
 
Jiro said:
there is a considerable distance between his car and the site.... definitely a chase long enough to get up to T's face instead of other way around.... unless Trayvon dragged him all the way down.... :dunno:
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And it's also possible that T was the one that turned around...and ran back to Z...in his face....which I do believe....I believe also that Z was afraid for his Life...he was being beat up...and T in "a rage"....
 
rockin'robin said:
And it's also possible that T was the one that turned around...and ran back to Z...in his face....which I do believe....I believe also that Z was afraid for his Life...he was being beat up...and T in "a rage"....
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T was afraid for his life as well.... it doesn't matter who ran back to what. what matter is that there was a considerable distance. that's a major no-no for Zimmerman.

Chasing after Trayvon is an act of aggression especially since Zimmerman was armed. a big no no. Self-Defense doesn't apply.
 
Jiro said:
nada. zip. zilch. it makes no sense.

that's like saying - if a mugger attacked me and I fought back because I'm, say... trained by Chuck Norris, and I'm beating him to a pulp... should he shoot at me to defend himself?
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So, if someone is beating you into the ground, regardless of the reason, and you feared for your life, you wouldn't defend yourself?
 
CrazyPaul said:
Now see that's not a straight-forward answer. Answer what you would do if someone beat you up to death and you have your gun on you. Stop saying bullshit like "trained by Chuck Norris", WTF? See, you are off point again and again. ANYWAY, I believe that you would shoot him like GZ did.
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Of course!....Anybody would shoot....unless they had a "death wish"...and I do believe that if Z had not of gotten his gun before T had spotted it...then T would have shot Z also....

Trayvon's rage!....and all this BS about Z should not have been following T...or Z should not have "chased" T....
 
Reba said:
So, if someone is beating you into the ground, regardless of the reason, and you feared for your life, you wouldn't defend yourself?
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common sense dictates that both parties would fight for their lives but that's irrelevant.

it's a red herring.
 
rockin'robin said:
Of course!....Anybody would shoot....unless they had a "death wish"...and I do believe that if Z had not of gotten his gun before T had spotted it...then T would have shot Z also....

Trayvon's rage!....and all this BS about Z should not have been following T...or Z should not have "chased" T....
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If Trayvon took his gun during a fight and shot him, he would be protected by self-defense law.
 
Jiro said:
If Trayvon took his gun during a fight and shot him, he would be protected by self-defense law.
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:hmm:...so you are saying that the fight was all over and Trayvon was leaving or walking off...and Zimmerman shot Trayvon?
 
rockin'robin said:
:hmm:...so you are saying that the fight was all over and Trayvon was leaving or walking off...and Zimmerman shot Trayvon?
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what I'm saying is that Trayvon had a legal rights to defend himself and Zimmerman didn't.... and Trayvon died defending himself.
 
Jiro said:
T was afraid for his life as well.... it doesn't matter who ran back to what. what matter is that there was a considerable distance. that's a major no-no for Zimmerman.

Chasing after Trayvon is an act of aggression especially since Zimmerman was armed. a big no no. Self-Defense doesn't apply.
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No, no, no, TM was not afraid. Because if he was afraid, he would run to his father's girlfriend's home instead of attacking GZ. He didn't even know that GZ was carrying a gun so that's why he confronted and attacked him. In other words, it was not GZ's fault since he reported it to police and watched where TM went. TM got mad unnecessarily and thought that he was tough like a thug. Too bad!
 
CrazyPaul said:
No, no, no, TM was not afraid. Because if he was afraid, he would run to his father's girlfriend's home instead of attacking GZ. He didn't even know that GZ was carrying a gun so that's why he confronted and attacked him. In other words, it was not GZ's fault since he reported it to police and watched where TM went. TM got mad unnecessarily and thought that he was tough like a thug. Too bad!
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If Zimmerman has same story in California so he will end up in San Quentin State Prison - notorious prison.
 
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