Deaf school in WV looking for renovation needs

TXgolfer said:
Exactly. That is why I asked if you showed up on time and had others that would vouch for you. Most employers are afraid of going to court against the disabled, not to mention the public relations nightmare. That is where the leverage comes from.
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Oh I see, interesting, I could agree if it was small businesses, however unsure about large corporation like Walmart.

My business professor said Walmart is very powerful corporation, so big positive is cheaper price, big negative: bad customer service. My professor asked students if they are satisfied with customer service at Walmart, so overwhelmed said No, No, No, No, No, No with very few said yes, don't matter, however most of them said it is cheaper to buy stuffs at Walmart.

Now, future online stores could hurt Walmart by selling stuffs at cheaper like $10 for new DVD movie, compare to $20 at Walmart.
 
Foxrac said:
Oh I see, interesting, I could agree if it was small businesses, however unsure about large corporation like Walmart.

My business professor said Walmart is very powerful corporation, so big positive is cheaper price, big negative: bad customer service. My professor asked students if they are satisfied with customer service at Walmart, so overwhelmed said No, No, No, No, No, No with very few said yes, don't matter, however most of them said it is cheaper to buy stuffs at Walmart.

Now, future online stores could hurt Walmart by selling stuffs at cheaper like $10 for new DVD movie, compare to $20 at Walmart.
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Juries hate corporations
 
Foxrac said:
Most important - make sure that deaf students are college bounds, however sadly, many of them failed at first year.

In here, I know some deaf people worked for first year so they resigned or got fired due to communication issues, so they stuck with SSI and unable to find an employment.

In bold - Yes, that's very common problem. :(
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I don't think it's nessarily important for a kid to be college bound. One area that Deaf Schools could "fill in" is educating Deaf mentally handicapped and Deaf "other special needs" to be skilled vocational workers.
I really kind of wish res schools lent themselves to something like an intense year or two. What I mean is that kids from the mainstream or regional dhh programs could come to the res school for an intense year of immersion in deaf ed. That would work great for say blind/low vision kids or even physically disabled kids who would benefit from a year or two of intense training.......but the thing is, with Deaf ed that really wouldn't work since there aren't skills separate from actual learning/education with Deaf Ed.
 
TXgolfer said:
Really? So should we start sending hearing kids who don't fit in socially to private schools too? Maybe send those who don't speak English to private schools?
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No, not at all. But the thing is, Deaf Schools are not private schools. They're public, but for a specific population.
As a matter of fact, we should offer parents many different types of educational approaches for their kids.
Yes, I think that having a public school program for kids who are ELL is a good idea. Maybe turn it into an immersion program, so that English speakers can become fluent in French/Spanish/whatever, while the English language learners are learning English...and they can also develop advanced language skills in their native languages.
And actually, sometimes other kids with disabilities ARE sent to private schools/programs. That almost happened to me.......it's a simple fact that our public schools are too one size fits all. Did you know GIFTED kids very often struggle too?!?! The mainstream/public school setting is best at educating the average learner.
 
deafdyke said:
No, not at all. But the thing is, Deaf Schools are not private schools. They're public, but for a specific population.
As a matter of fact, we should offer parents many different types of educational approaches for their kids.
Yes, I think that having a public school program for kids who are ELL is a good idea. Maybe turn it into an immersion program, so that English speakers can become fluent in French/Spanish/whatever, while the English language learners are learning English...and they can also develop advanced language skills in their native languages.
And actually, sometimes other kids with disabilities ARE sent to private schools/programs. That almost happened to me.......it's a simple fact that our public schools are too one size fits all. Did you know GIFTED kids very often struggle too?!?! The mainstream/public school setting is best at educating the average learner.
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A program for ELL kids.....or a separate school?
 
deafdyke said:
No, not at all. But the thing is, Deaf Schools are not private schools. They're public, but for a specific population.
As a matter of fact, we should offer parents many different types of educational approaches for their kids.
Yes, I think that having a public school program for kids who are ELL is a good idea. Maybe turn it into an immersion program, so that English speakers can become fluent in French/Spanish/whatever, while the English language learners are learning English...and they can also develop advanced language skills in their native languages.
And actually, sometimes other kids with disabilities ARE sent to private schools/programs. That almost happened to me.......it's a simple fact that our public schools are too one size fits all. Did you know GIFTED kids very often struggle too?!?! The mainstream/public school setting is best at educating the average learner.
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Deaf school is state-run school for deaf people, or could say state school.

MSSD is federal-run school, or national school.
 
TXgolfer said:
Really? So should we start sending hearing kids who don't fit in socially to private schools too? Maybe send those who don't speak English to private schools?
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What private schools? I said nothing about that. It's silly to say that education has nothing to do with social skills. Education is not exclusively about social skills, but they do play a part in getting a good education. A good program is not going to ignore those issues.
 
dkf747 said:
What private schools? I said nothing about that. It's silly to say that education has nothing to do with social skills. Education is not exclusively about social skills, but they do play a part in getting a good education. A good program is not going to ignore those issues.
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Cool, then let them adjust to real world social skills. Not the social skills of isolation. :)
 
TXgolfer said:
A program for ELL kids.....or a separate school?
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Well, since ELL kids are a lot more numorous then dhh kids, a program would be awesome.
Just so you know, I support regional programs/magnet schools for dhh kids. But I also think that a separate school is an awesome idea for low incidence disability kids. From what I understand it's overall pretty rare for kids to spend their entire school career at a specialized school.......and that's GOOD. But the option should be available....not every state has awesome dhh regional programs or good services or anything. It is very difficult to try to get good services in the mainstream.....trust me. Did you know they act like you're one of those kids whose parents shopped around for a dx? I'm sure you've heard about those kids whose parents find a psychologist to make up a dx, so they can get extended time on tests or whatever? Even kids with legit issues are treated like that!
 
dkf747 said:
What private schools? I said nothing about that. It's silly to say that education has nothing to do with social skills. Education is not exclusively about social skills, but they do play a part in getting a good education. A good program is not going to ignore those issues.
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Exactly. Education is so much more then just sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on and on. Stuff like incidental learning and social stuff is ALSO very important too....and very often kids with low incidence disabilities tend to fall through the cracks in an inclusive situation.
 
deafdyke said:
Well, since ELL kids are a lot more numorous then dhh kids, a program would be awesome.
Just so you know, I support regional programs/magnet schools for dhh kids. But I also think that a separate school is an awesome idea for low incidence disability kids. From what I understand it's overall pretty rare for kids to spend their entire school career at a specialized school.......and that's GOOD. But the option should be available....not every state has awesome dhh regional programs or good services or anything. It is very difficult to try to get good services in the mainstream.....trust me. Did you know they act like you're one of those kids whose parents shopped around for a dx? I'm sure you've heard about those kids whose parents find a psychologist to make up a dx, so they can get extended time on tests or whatever? Even kids with legit issues are treated like that!
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Well, we disagree. I don't see that changing.
 
TXgolfer said:
Cool, then let them adjust to real world social skills. Not the social skills of isolation. :)
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I'm not sure I get it. Are you saying that institutionalized kids have a harder time coping in the hearing world? If so, I'm not so sure I agree with that. We have to think about the past. You and I are both people who came from a mainstream program and we both obviously benefited from it but after switching over... there is no way that I could justify what worked for me to work for an entire community. There is no "melting pot" fix focusing on vocalization instead of reading. I'm far more impressed by the outer world independence of those who are able to "voice" their feelings as opposed to those left to fend for themselves with no clear grasp of language of either worlds. The quotation marks is there because some do it via sign language and others... ya know? Voices.

Okay... I'm not really sure where that came from but it's there so... eh.
 
NitroHonda said:
I'm not sure I get it. Are you saying that institutionalized kids have a harder time coping in the hearing world? If so, I'm not so sure I agree with that. We have to think about the past. You and I are both people who came from a mainstream program and we both obviously benefited from it but after switching over... there is no way that I could justify what worked for me to work for an entire community. There is no "melting pot" fix focusing on vocalization instead of reading. I'm far more impressed by the outer world independence of those who are able to "voice" their feelings as opposed to those left to fend for themselves with no clear grasp of language of either worlds. The quotation marks is there because some do it via sign language and others... ya know? Voices.

Okay... I'm not really sure where that came from but it's there so... eh.
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I think ==> Deaf schools are fine. State sponsored deaf schools are fine too. BUT (big but) only if they are preparing kids for jobs/future in the real world. So many (Like this one in WV) turn out to be nothing more than a warehouse. But #2 the costs have to be reasonable. There is a point (a $60m Reno would be one) where I don't see the value of continuing the program.
 
TXgolfer said:
I think ==> Deaf schools are fine. State sponsored deaf schools are fine too. BUT (big but) only if they are preparing kids for jobs/future in the real world. So many (Like this one in WV) turn out to be nothing more than a warehouse. But #2 the costs have to be reasonable. There is a point (a $60m Reno would be one) where I don't see the value of continuing the program.
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Fair enough. I have a question. Where's the cap at for you? What is the cut off on dollar amounts for those kids? When does it become too much that one would want to give up the proper efforts on them? Last I checked, they were allowed free access to public education. Placing them in a class where they do not belong is not access to education at all.

It's been a few years but... to use an example... the Hawaii School for the Deaf really struggles with providing a quality and is (or was) known for substandard education. It was HORRIBLE. I think that a very big part on their failure was them not recognizing the fact that these kids come from multi-language families. Many spoke Hawaiian and their teachers who were recruited from the mainland had no experience in trying to operate within the boundaries of three (or four) distinctive languages.

I just always thought the whole HSD thing was really interesting and personally enlightening with what it takes to properly educate some individuals.
 
NitroHonda said:
Fair enough. I have a question. Where's the cap at for you? What is the cut off on dollar amounts for those kids? When does it become too much that one would want to give up the proper efforts on them? Last I checked, they were allowed free access to public education. Placing them in a class where they do not belong is not access to education at all.

It's been a few years but... to use an example... the Hawaii School for the Deaf really struggles with providing a quality and is (or was) known for substandard education. It was HORRIBLE. I think that a very big part on their failure was them not recognizing the fact that these kids come from multi-language families. Many spoke Hawaiian and their teachers who were recruited from the mainland had no experience in trying to operate within the boundaries of three (or four) distinctive languages.

I just always thought the whole HSD thing was really interesting and personally enlightening with what it takes to properly educate some individuals.
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Right at the point where it would be cheaper to put special, qualified teachers in each school.
 
TXgolfer said:
Right at the point where it would be cheaper to put special, qualified teachers in each school.
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And how has that worked over the past 50 years? Total communication was an utter failure despite it's success with a limited number of kids like you and I. The sad fact is some groups cost more to educate than others. That's a certainty. Leaving them in the dust because of costs cannot happen anymore. In fact, I am pro multi-handicapped funding. Pro mentally-challenged funding. etc. Multitudes of these people are misdiagnosed and incorrectly placed nor are even given a chance to shine. They are no less important than the guy or girl on the fast track to valedictorian at Harvard. Contributors come from all walks of life.

Remember, I'm with you on trying to find the most cost-effective way to do this... the key word being effective. If relocation is the cheapest way... then that's what should be done. Just don't disband it.
 
NitroHonda said:
And how has that worked over the past 50 years? Total communication was an utter failure despite it's success with a limited number of kids like you and I. The sad fact is some groups cost more to educate than others. That's a certainty. Leaving them in the dust because of costs cannot happen anymore. In fact, I am pro multi-handicapped funding. Pro mentally-challenged funding. etc. Multitudes of these people are misdiagnosed and incorrectly placed nor are even given a chance to shine. They are no less important than the guy or girl on the fast track to valedictorian at Harvard. Contributors come from all walks of life.

Remember, I'm with you on trying to find the most cost-effective way to do this... the key word being effective. If relocation is the cheapest way... then that's what should be done. Just don't disband it.
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Total communication?

I thought TXGolfer was late deafness and he developed the oral language at younger (like hearing people), but went down due to disease.
 
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