Comparing eyeglasses to CI. Help me understand.

Grayma said:
Surgery seems to be an extreme option at any time when you are dealing with children. Sometimes it's necessary, but it's still extreme.

CI is surgery. IN YOUR BRAIN (eeesh). Glasses is just.... glasses. Put 'em on, take 'em off, wear them, don't, walk in to any store or buy them online- and nobody so much as gives you a shave so you can wear them. CI- they cut into your head, right?

And while there is a surgical option for fixing vision problems, it has risks (I have a friend who is blind in one eye because of lasik surgery), and I don't think it's commonly pushed on parents of young children.
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My question was about the philosophy around choosing not to "fix" deafness, not about the intrusive medical stuff.

When I asked the original question, it was because some people have said they do not want to correct the non-functioning ears simply because they are not ashamed of their deaf child, or advising others not to seek correction because, again, it is telling the child he/she is "broken" and they should be proud to have a deaf child, so let the child be who he/she is.

Also, it's been said that parents CI their child because the PARENT is doing it for THEMSELVES, because they don't want a deaf child.

That made me think of my defective eyes and my parents decision to have it corrected. I know in my heart that they did the glasses/contacts/soon Lasic for ME, so my eyes would be able to do what I have them for, which is to see better. They didn't do it because they were ashamed to have a daughter who could see faces only as a blurr. They did it so that I would be able to see and use those eyes that are one of our natural senses.

Some deaf may say to their deaf children "it's good you can't hear because the sound s of thunder and barking dogs will bother you."
It made me think, what if my parents didn't get me eyeglasses when I was 4 and instead told me "it's good you can only see in a blur because there many ugly things in the world that you'd be better off not seeing, like dog poop on the street and bald men".

I can understand not wanting CI because of the medically invasive surgery.
I'm working on understanding not wanting CI because thunder might annoy you.

I am understanding that Deaf culture is a proud group that fears abandonment by their own people. Sometimes I feel there are some deaf that would deliberately choose to have their newborn's cochleas snipped to make them proudly Deaf, if it were allowed.

I'm not judging anyone for good or bad. It's my observation. Each one here has their opinions for a reason, most likely from how they were raised, and I respect every single feeling that they have, honest.
 
Just clarify this lol. CI is only inside the head, not Brain. Yeah make a hole of skull tbough
 
Grayma said:
CI is surgery. IN YOUR BRAIN (eeesh).
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Yes, it is surgery, and that in itself is very serious and something to consider carefully -- that, I think is a very valid reason for choosing not to get a CI. But it's NOT "in your brain." My daughter has anesthesia to have a tooth drilled. The process was nowhere near as complex as her CI surgery, and took only an hour vs. 3+ for the CI surgery but left her in far more pain afterwards and was as close or closer to her brain than her CI surgery.
 
Mimsy said:
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I am understanding that Deaf culture is a proud group that fears abandonment by their own people. Sometimes I feel there are some deaf that would deliberately choose to have their newborn's cochleas snipped to make them proudly Deaf, if it were allowed.

I'm not judging anyone for good or bad. It's my observation. Each one here has their opinions for a reason, most likely from how they were raised, and I respect every single feeling that they have, honest.
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And yet you find it perfectly acceptable that hearing is so superior that it is fine when some hearing have their child's head cut open, the bone drilled to make room for an electronic, and an array of wires inserted into the cochlea. :confused:

That's a description of audist thinking.
 
Bottesini said:
And yet you find it perfectly acceptable that hearing is so superior that it is fine when some hearing have their child's head cut open, the bone drilled to make room for an electronic, and an array of wires inserted into the cochlea. :confused:

That's a description of audist thinking.
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I had to think about. I think the word "superior" is tricky. Hmmm, I will explain how I feel. For me, I would rather hear than not hear because there are things to hear and I like to experience that. But I don't feel it makes me "better" than deaf or superior like I look down on deaf. No, not at all, that is not how my heart works. When I know a deaf person wants to hear, I think they want to experince something that will make there personal life better for themselves, not to say hahaha I can hear and you can't. Maybe I am wrong??

I hate the thought of drilling into the skull. If it became so easy to get a CI, like just maybe wearing a super duper HA that does the same thing as a CI, I wonder if that would be more accepted by the Deaf community. Or would the Deaf community (some of them) still be against hearing?

Today I was thinking if I had a deaf baby would I let the doctors drill a hole into his or her skull for hearing. It would be sooooo hard to decide. I don't want to think of drilling a hole in a baby's skull. :cry:
 
It's me again. I know, I have no life. :giggle: I should be out enjoying the sunshine.

But this is important. I asked a question about if CI was easy to put in, like HA. Then I realized something. This question invades the privacy of deaf. I know it's a free choice to answer or not, but I feel sorry for even putting the question in the minds of the deaf. "What if " questions are not fair to ask, I think, especially with a complicated situation like deafness where Deaf must be 100% accepting of themselves just like everyone should be 100% accepting of themselves.

Ok, now I can go out. You guys are great being so patient with me.
 
Mimsy said:
This question invades the privacy of deaf
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You have every right to ask us questions, I don't see it as an invasion of privacy, it is just that it is a sensitive subject. It is like discussing affirmative action opinions on a "allblack" forum. It will bring out the best & worst in everyone.
 
MintyOreo said:
CI implantion is surgery to put an electronic device INSIDE OF YOUR BODY. That, alone, is a big difference between glasses and HA's, and CIs.
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For me, I would rather hear than not hear because there are things to hear and I like to experience that. But I don't feel it makes me "better" than deaf or superior like I look down on deaf. No, not at all, that is not how my heart works. When I know a deaf person wants to hear, I think they want to experince something that will make there personal life better for themselves, not to say hahaha I can hear and you can't
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You're looking at it from a hearing impaired perspective.
Fake hearing (through CI or HA) for a dhh kid is NOT at ALL like hearing for a hearing person. Hearing vs. deaf is like gay vs straight. Or male vs female.
 
Bottesini said:
Culture aside, CI is really invasive.

It's like the difference of correcting a poor gait with a brace on the leg, for glasses, to cutting the leg off and replacing it with a prosthetic, for CI.
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:shock:
 
Grayma said:
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CI is surgery. IN YOUR BRAIN (eeesh). ....
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It's reall time you red something about CI surgery..
There's nothing going in the brain... Nothing....

It's a big decision for people, so there's no need to throw rubbish in the equation..

If you need a link to learn something about CI.. Just look into my signature below...
 
deafdyke said:
You're looking at it from a hearing impaired perspective.
Fake hearing (through CI or HA) for a dhh kid is NOT at ALL like hearing for a hearing person. Hearing vs. deaf is like gay vs straight. Or male vs female.
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Fake hearing ??

LOL..
Guess, a telephone s fake hearing. And listening to a CD. TV. All fake hearing..

DD... Define " hearing "...

... And then tell me my daughter cannot hear....
 
Can't wait for bionic brains to come out. That way, I can tell people I have a fake mind.
 
Cloggy said:
Fake hearing ??

LOL..
Guess, a telephone s fake hearing. And listening to a CD. TV. All fake hearing..

DD... Define " hearing "...

... And then tell me my daughter cannot hear....
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Cloggy,your daughter cannot hear like a hearing person. She does well with the hearing she has, but it is NOT hearing person hearing. Not by a MILE. If you could hear what she hears, you'd be all "what the eff?"
 
deafdyke said:
Cloggy,your daughter cannot hear like a hearing person. She does well with the hearing she has, but it is NOT hearing person hearing. Not by a MILE. If you could hear what she hears, you'd be all "what the eff?"
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Aren't there online simulators that show what it's like to hear out of a CI? My (Hearing) brother tried one, and he was freaked out. He tried this one, and he was like "What the heck?!?" (It was funny to watch his facial expressions, haha :lol: Since then, everytime someone mentions a CI around him, he gets that same WTH look on his face :laugh2:)

Simulations

*backs out of the CI conversation*
 
No, those simulations don't accurately reflect what's actually heard -- several people have posted their own experiences, having heard naturally until recently and receiving CIs, they have a basis for comparison. They often say that the sound becomes very much like sound they remember. The brain does amazing things with even primitive tools. We don't know what the sound experience is like for a prelingually deaf person who obtains a CI late or for a prelingually deaf 1 or 2 year old who don't have memory of sound. But my daughter can hear music on a car radio and later sing a fairly accurate rendition, and can differentiate piano notes right next to each other on a keyboard. These things would be far from possible if those simulations were accurate.
 
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