IEP help for 2nd grader

TheWriteAlex said:
Enough is enough.

Lawyer up. Sue their asses. You will win.
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She also has to prove that the child met the criteria to need the special services.

And maybe sue her parents for custody of the child? Since she seems to be going against their wishes.

I can't figure out if it is her sister, or her own child that her parents took custody of?
 
Please take my comments with a hefty shovel of salt because I know very little about IEPs and their process.

But it doesn't seem to me that the school's argument is helping their case. Whether the child has sensineural hearing loss with APD or sensineural hearing loss with a very bad case of word discrimination due only to her sensineural hearing loss it seems to me that the appropriate accomodations would be the same.

Sounds to me like a case of a school district system trying to save money at the child's expense with a case of smoke and mirrors.

BTW, if the school district wants to say that a child has a medical condition -- don't they have to have scientifically based evidence that proves it?
 
Bottesini said:
She also has to prove that the child met the criteria to need the special services.

And maybe sue her parents for custody of the child? Since she seems to be going against their wishes.

I can't figure out if it is her sister, or her own child that her parents took custody of?
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I'm a little not confused how the OP is connected to this student as well...
 
I still think that silversoul also needs to see if there's any regional dhh programs around. SO much better then soloatiring it! Maybe also a good idea might be to send her to deaf camp at ISD and see how she likes it. ....also remind your parents that their co-worker is most likely from a different time, when the mainstreamed kids weren't saddled with low expectations. A lot of parents are unaware that the early grades at ISD are actually pretty good.....I wonder if there's a way your parents could tour the school or something.....I really think your parents would be surprised at how good Deaf Schools/programs can be. ...AND it'll be awesome for them too b/c they won't be stressed out in fighting for accomondations......trust me, I do not want ANY other kid to have to go through their parents scapegoating them about not acheiving academicly, when in fact it's the school district's fault for not providing good accomodnatioons.
 
silversoul said:
My baby's first language is ASL.

She loves it. She has since became fluent in English: expressively of course receptively is difficult because of her hearing loss. She misunderstands EVERYthing which they are saying yes, is happening but not because of her hearing loss (ridiculous, I know. It takes everything I have to stay calm with these jerks). I've been trying to explain to them that they are being unreasonable.

I bring charts, research articles, I study for MONTHS and you can see it clear on there face: they know what I am saying is true but they do not want to change their mind. they keep saying: only FM good enough!
:(
I will file a compliance complaint and discuss this with our lawyer.

Thank you again.
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It's really not the school's fault. Most mainstream schools aren't well trained in how to accomondate kids with low incidence disabilties. She needs more....which means either regional dhh program or deaf school. Her current school is trying to cheat her out of an education!
 
Jazzberry said:
Please take my comments with a hefty shovel of salt because I know very little about IEPs and their process.

But it doesn't seem to me that the school's argument is helping their case. Whether the child has sensineural hearing loss with APD or sensineural hearing loss with a very bad case of word discrimination due only to her sensineural hearing loss it seems to me that the appropriate accomodations would be the same.

Sounds to me like a case of a school district system trying to save money at the child's expense with a case of smoke and mirrors.

BTW, if the school district wants to say that a child has a medical condition -- don't they have to have scientifically based evidence that proves it?
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It sounds like either the SD is entirely ignorant to the needs of DHH students, or they are just blowing smoke for whatever reasons.

The school district does need to have documentation supporting their assertions by experts, and it sounds like this hotly hasn't even been assessed for an APD.

If I were the OP, I would file a compliance complaint ASAP, sending the district a copy the same day. The next day I would call, set up an IEP and lay out the accommodations that are needed to make this Childs educational environment accessible so that she can benefit from it. Make it clear to the district that they are clearly out of compliance with IDEA and this child doesn't have anymore time to lose.

If that didn't work, I'd wait for the compliance complaint to come back and hope for the best. Things will happen for this student, but it may take some time. That's why I'd get on the compliance complaint ASAP.
 
CSign said:
It sounds like either the SD is entirely ignorant to the needs of DHH students, or they are just blowing smoke for whatever reasons.

The school district does need to have documentation supporting their assertions by experts, and it sounds like this hotly hasn't even been assessed for an APD.

If I were the OP, I would file a compliance complaint ASAP, sending the district a copy the same day. The next day I would call, set up an IEP and lay out the accommodations that are needed to make this Childs educational environment accessible so that she can benefit from it. Make it clear to the district that they are clearly out of compliance with IDEA and this child doesn't have anymore time to lose.

If that didn't work, I'd wait for the compliance complaint to come back and hope for the best. Things will happen for this student, but it may take some time. That's why I'd get on the compliance complaint ASAP.
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Definitly pursue the complaint so that something is documented, but this sounds like the school does not have the resources.....I can guantee you if she is kept in this placement, she will be lumped in with the resource room kids, and given minimal accomodnations, just like I was. Whereas if she went to a dhh program, she could thrive beyond her wildest dreams!
 
deafdyke said:
Definitly pursue the complaint so that something is documented, but this sounds like the school does not have the resources.....I can guantee you if she is kept in this placement, she will be lumped in with the resource room kids, and given minimal accomodnations, just like I was. Whereas if she went to a dhh program, she could thrive beyond her wildest dreams!
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Not having the resources does not absolve the LEA of their responsibility.

Edit to add: Filing a compliance complaint isn't to get things documented. Ideally that's already been done. The purpose of filing the complaint is to have the DOE order corrective action through accommodations and potentially services depending on the individual case.

The phrase to use would be that she has an "educationally significant hearing loss that adversely
effects her educational environment." What will bolster the compliance complaint is a letter from the
Childs audiologist recommending the use of accommodations i.e. an Interpreter, preferential seating,
appropriate classroom acoustics etc. That would be hard to dispute given that is their area of expertise.
Also maybe a letter from the School for the Deaf also outlining accommodations and considerations needed for that student. I think also requesting in the complaint that the SD and parties that are working with this child attend an inservice training about the implications of hearing loss in an individual.
 
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CSign said:
Not having the resources does not absolve the LEA of their responsibility.

Edit to add: Filing a compliance complaint isn't to get things documented. Ideally that's already been done. The purpose of filing the complaint is to have the DOE order corrective action through accommodations and potentially services depending on the individual case.

The phrase to use would be that she has an "educationally significant hearing loss that adversely
effects her educational environment." What will bolster the compliance complaint is a letter from the
Childs audiologist recommending the use of accommodations i.e. an Interpreter, preferential seating,
appropriate classroom acoustics etc. That would be hard to dispute given that is their area of expertise.
Also maybe a letter from the School for the Deaf also outlining accommodations and considerations needed for that student. I think also requesting in the complaint that the SD and parties that are working with this child attend an inservice training about the implications of hearing loss in an individual.
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I know that. If they don't have the resources, then they can send her to a deaf school or a program. Just suing them won't magicly make resources and accomodnations appear!
 
Bottesini said:
Yep. And when people obfuscate and fail to provide clarity, I become sceptical.
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Nothing to be skeptical about I could not reply immediately as I have two jobs, 8 younger siblings (many with special needs) that I help with and no internet access at my actual home.
I am her older sister. She came and lived with my parents at the age of 1. Before that she had NO language exposure. I taught her sign at that time which became her first language and a very nice, sweet speech pathologist (who knows basic sign) came to the house to help her learn English.
She also has an internal cleft pallet which aided in speech difficulty.
 
CSign said:
Not having the resources does not absolve the LEA of their responsibility.

Edit to add: Filing a compliance complaint isn't to get things documented. Ideally that's already been done. The purpose of filing the complaint is to have the DOE order corrective action through accommodations and potentially services depending on the individual case.

The phrase to use would be that she has an "educationally significant hearing loss that adversely
effects her educational environment." What will bolster the compliance complaint is a letter from the
Childs audiologist recommending the use of accommodations i.e. an Interpreter, preferential seating,
appropriate classroom acoustics etc. That would be hard to dispute given that is their area of expertise.
Also maybe a letter from the School for the Deaf also outlining accommodations and considerations needed for that student. I think also requesting in the complaint that the SD and parties that are working with this child attend an inservice training about the implications of hearing loss in an individual.
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You are super helpful! Thank you so much!
 
Bottesini said:
She also has to prove that the child met the criteria to need the special services.

And maybe sue her parents for custody of the child? Since she seems to be going against their wishes.

I can't figure out if it is her sister, or her own child that her parents took custody of?
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She is my parents' child.
I am her older sister.
She was adopted from a poor orphanage.

It is not going against her wishes; if you ask her if she wants to go to ISD she will say yes. If tell her she will need to stay there and not come home until the weekend she will start crying and say no.
 
silversoul said:
She is my parents' child.
I am her older sister.
She was adopted from a poor orphanage.

It is not going against her wishes; if you ask her if she wants to go to ISD she will say yes. If tell her she will need to stay there and not come home until the weekend she will start crying and say no.
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Your parent's wishes.
 
deafdyke said:
I KNEW IT!!!!!!! I figured ISD is a little too far away, and she is still kinda young for dorming it......but what about the regional dhh programs I posted? That might be a good compromise until she's old enough for dorming it. Schools that have dhh programs are WAY WAY better then "neighborhood school" placements.....solotairing it sucks!!!!!! And yeah, they try to get away with FM, speech and preferential seating. Meaning not a real program......
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I will check into regional dhh programs. I do not think there is much here but I will check. Thank you. :)
 
silversoul said:
That is exactly the ONLY thing they are willing to give her. I advocate with research articles (PROOF) that sign language and can foundationally help with a child's academic performance. (Which I think is common sense! FULL exposure to language like ALL other kids get.)

But my parents don't want to send her to ISD mostly because they want her here, near. :( She is an amazing kid.

Also my mother's co-worker was a successful mainstreamed deaf and has really be-littled ISD's education to her. :(Thanks for all your words on here! It is nice to have some support.
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Bottesini said:
She also has to prove that the child met the criteria to need the special services.

And maybe sue her parents for custody of the child? Since she seems to be going against their wishes.

I can't figure out if it is her sister, or her own child that her parents took custody of?
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I think this is what Bott means.
 
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