2 Muslim men kicked off flight sue 2 air carriers

It will be interesting to hear the pilot's reasons for this and the rest of the story. The pilot does indeed have the ultimate authority on who boards his plane. At this point we still haven't even heard from other passengers on the flight! I will withhold my judgement for the rest of the story!
 
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TXgolfer said:
According to these 2 men.....
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No, according to the reporter, who interviewed more than these men. Do you have anything at all that would indicate in any way that what has been reported is fabricated? No? I didn't think so. Just another case of "Hey, they are Muslim. They must be lying." You pulled the same think with the Cain victims. "Hey, they are women. They must be lying."
 
airportcop said:
It will be interesting to hear the pilot's reasons for this and the rest of the story. The pilot does indeed have the ultimate authority on who boards his plane. At this point we still haven't even heard from other passengers on the flight! I will withhold my judgement for the rest of the story!
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A pilot cannot refuse to allow someone to board without valid reason. Their ethnicity is not a valid reason.

What is it you expect to hear from the passengers? How would it make any difference what so ever to what this pilot did? None of the passengers took the airline official up on his offer of a voucher.
 
jillio said:
No, according to the reporter, who interviewed more than these men. Do you have anything at all that would indicate in any way that what has been reported is fabricated? No? I didn't think so. Just another case of "Hey, they are Muslim. They must be lying." You pulled the same think with the Cain victims. "Hey, they are women. They must be lying."
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Now you are fabricating. These gentlemen may very well be telling the truth. Unfortunately we only have one side of the story. The fact that I choose not to jump to conclusions does not mean that I am taking the other side. I am remaining neutral pending the rest of the story.
 
I'm really interested in this one.

Steel X said:
So why don't they just dress up like regular people such as suits and ties and they wouldn't have to others uncomfortable about them? They can always wear their traditional clothing later when they arrive in Charlotte.
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Of course they could do that, but it really shouldn't be necessary!
People should be able to just be who they are.
No one should have to try to fit in, not in a free cuntry at least.

Are you deaf? Then you probably know already how it makes you feel, if you try to change who you are for other peoples sake. I, as a deaf person, want acceptance for who I am, therefore I accept people who are different from me.
 
jillio said:
...Do you actually think that someone intent on committing an act of terrorism is going to walk into an airport looking so stereotypically Muslim? Of course not. They are going to be wearing a 3 piece suit, be clean shaven, and look for all intents and purposes like a business man. They are going to try to avoid being different, not accentuate it.
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I don't think they'll be looking stereotypically Muslim (whatever that might be) but I don't think shoe bomber Richard Reid and underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab looked like businessmen in three-piece suits. Reid wasn't clean-shaven at all.

Focusing on garb instead of behavior is probably the wrong way for security to find potential terrorists.

These are the real red flags:

"...The near miss aboard the Northwest/Delta flight highlights the difficulty in setting screening in the right places to catch would-be terrorists. Britain's denial of entry to Abdulmutallab may in itself not have required the U.S. to be informed, British officials said. But even without that clue, Abdulmutallab's recent stay in Yemen, combined with his father's warning and the fact that he paid cash for a one-way ticket and didn't check any luggage, should have been sufficient to set off alarm bells. Or at least a more thorough search before he climbed into seat 19A aboard Flight 253...."

Why Was Abdulmutallab Banned in Britain but Not the U.S.? - TIME
 
Reba said:
I don't think they'll be looking stereotypically Muslim (whatever that might be) but I don't think shoe bomber Richard Reid and underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab looked like businessmen in three-piece suits. Reid wasn't clean-shaven at all.

Focusing on garb instead of behavior is probably the wrong way for security to find potential terrorists.

These are the real red flags:

"...The near miss aboard the Northwest/Delta flight highlights the difficulty in setting screening in the right places to catch would-be terrorists. Britain's denial of entry to Abdulmutallab may in itself not have required the U.S. to be informed, British officials said. But even without that clue, Abdulmutallab's recent stay in Yemen, combined with his father's warning and the fact that he paid cash for a one-way ticket and didn't check any luggage, should have been sufficient to set off alarm bells. Or at least a more thorough search before he climbed into seat 19A aboard Flight 253...."

Why Was Abdulmutallab Banned in Britain but Not the U.S.? - TIME
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And?
 
TXgolfer said:
Now you are fabricating. These gentlemen may very well be telling the truth. Unfortunately we only have one side of the story. The fact that I choose not to jump to conclusions does not mean that I am taking the other side. I am remaining neutral pending the rest of the story.
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Jumping to conclusions? Why, I think we should just pay off these guys without a trial. :giggle:
 
saywhatkid said:
Jumping to conclusions? Why, I think we should just pay off these guys without a trial. :giggle:
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I think they will want publicity to spread the knowledge of such discrimination. So, trial it will be.
 
jillio said:
A pilot cannot refuse to allow someone to board without valid reason. Their ethnicity is not a valid reason.

What is it you expect to hear from the passengers? How would it make any difference what so ever to what this pilot did? None of the passengers took the airline official up on his offer of a voucher.
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Maybe the passengers heard these men making comments that disturbed them or saw something that made them uncomfortable? They didn't take the vouchers because these men weren't on their plane anymore! All I was saying is that there is more to this story as there always is. Two parts, not just one!
 
airportcop said:
Maybe the passengers heard these men making comments that disturbed them or saw something that made them uncomfortable? They didn't take the vouchers because these men weren't on their plane anymore! All I was saying is that there is more to this story as there always is. Two parts, not just one!
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Don't you think they would have been detained and questioned if they were heard making susceptible remarks?
 
Banjo said:
Don't you think they would have been detained and questioned if they were heard making susceptible remarks?
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Probably not since all they have to do is scream "discrimination" based on their ethnicity.

Don't think for a moment that an actual terrorist wouldn't do such a thing.

I am fairly confident that airport LEO's have been thoroughly trained for all of this, know what the red flags are, and do not randomly pull muslims to the side and strip search them for the reason that they are muslim.

Why not look at all the other muslims who were not treated that way at the same exact airport on the same exact day? I will have to wait until the full story comes out.
 
Steinhauer said:
Probably not since all they have to do is scream "discrimination" based on their ethnicity.

Don't think for a moment that an actual terrorist wouldn't do such a thing.
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Aren't there air marshals on the planes? Aren't they responsible to handle situations like these? If they suspect people of being terrorists, it's their duty to assess the situation and remove the threat from the plane.
 
Banjo said:
Aren't there air marshals on the planes? Aren't they responsible to handle situations like these? If they suspect people of being terrorists, it's their duty to assess the situation and remove the threat from the plane.
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I would *think* it would be much more difficult to do that once the plane is in the air.
 
kokonut said:
In Arabic? Could they understand them should they speak in Arabic?
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One is an adjunct instructor of Arabic at the University of Memphis. The other is a religious leader with the Islamic Association of Greater Memphis. They live in the USA, it's more than likely that they speak English.
 
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