'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

Jiro said:
You recently spent some time in Vermont - one of only 2 states that do not require any firearm license. Basically 100% gun-friendly state. How did it go? Did you encounter a Charles Bronson vigilante? A fool walking around with pistol in his pants like he's got something to prove? Anything?
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Vermont is a very socially aware state...especially the area I was in. Didn't encounter a single person carrying a firearm. You know why? Because they are socially aware.
 
Jiro said:
You could say that for those who support gun ban law but I have never heard of any stupidity nor ignorance shown by CCW/OC holders in public. And I have never heard of any innocent being killed or injured in public by CCW/OC holders.
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Who supports a gun ban law?
 
jillio said:
Vermont is a very socially aware state...especially the area I was in. Didn't encounter a single person carrying a firearm. You know why? Because they are socially aware.
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that applies to nearly every CCW/OC holders in all states. That's why you rarely or probably never heard of any tragic incident caused by CCW/OC holders.
 
Jiro said:
Not me. Police officers and 911 calls.
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Oh, I see. Have you heard about the unreliability of eye witnesses? And if a vigilante shot them, the police are only going on what eye witnesses report.
 
Jiro said:
that applies to nearly every CCW/OC holders in all states. That's why you rarely or probably never heard of any tragic incident caused by CCW/OC holders.
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I disagree. Socially aware people don't feel the need to parade down main street with a gun on their hip even if it is legal to do so.

I did, however, see a man walking a pig down main street while I was in Vermont. However, he was harming no one, and no one felt the need to protect themselves by shooting at him or the pig. I am told there is a gentleman that also walks his goat in town. No one has felt the need to shoot him, either. Or even to banish him from the town. Socially aware people are not threatened by differences.
 
jillio said:
I disagree. Socially aware people don't feel the need to parade down main street with a gun on their hip even if it is legal to do so.
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people? you talk as if it's wild west out there.

the truth? there's only 1 or 2 person OC'ing it in same place at any given time.
 
jillio said:
I disagree. Socially aware people don't feel the need to parade down main street with a gun on their hip even if it is legal to do so.

I did, however, see a man walking a pig down main street while I was in Vermont. However, he was harming no one, and no one felt the need to protect themselves by shooting at him or the pig. I am told there is a gentleman that also walks his goat in town. No one has felt the need to shoot him, either. Or even to banish him from the town. Socially aware people are not threatened by differences.
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and if you see a man walking a lion down main street...... then what?
 
jillio said:
I disagree. Socially aware people don't feel the need to parade down main street with a gun on their hip even if it is legal to do so.
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Dunno if I could be called socially aware but I don't own a gun and I live in an open carry state. I don't think I've ever seen anyone other than cops openly displaying their guns other than that one occasion when I was 18 and saw some old guy openly carrying his rifle in downtown Richmond.
 
jillio said:
Oh, I see. Have you heard about the unreliability of eye witnesses? And if a vigilante shot them, the police are only going on what eye witnesses report.
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so got any link to such incident?
 
jillio said:
I have a token example of the deaths of innocent people from the availability of firearms. Check the CDC stats.
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Firearms exist. It's a sad fact. I *wish* they weren't a problem, but no amount of wishing and no amount of gun control will make every gun on the planet suddenly disappear or make criminals stop killing innocent people. This is not a problem we can legislate away. The CDC stats only tell me that each one of those innocent people might still be alive if they or a bystander had been better armed and better trained than their attacker.

Murder is a social, mental, emotional and spiritual problem. We don't need to make better gun laws, we need to make better people. Until then, I protect myself.
 
Jiro said:
people? you talk as if it's wild west out there.

the truth? there's only 1 or 2 person OC'ing it in same place at any given time.
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Are you sure of that? You don't even live in an OC area.
 
jillio said:
Are you sure of that? You don't even live in an OC area.
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yes pretty sure. what do you think why you rarely hear about this kind of OC-related news? I think the last time was that black Republican guy carrying unloaded assault rifle with no magazine at political rally.

I was in Las Vegas and I saw only one person - a punk with extremely large baggy pants openly-carrying a glock, walking on crowded sidewalk. nobody panicked or called a cop on him.

I frequent to gun-friendly states and I rarely see a person OC'ing it. Majority of people prefer to CCW because of unwanted attention especially from police.
 
jillio said:
No one has felt the need to shoot him, either. Or even to banish him from the town. Socially aware people are not threatened by differences.
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I'm confused. Do people that open carry (the not socially aware ones) often shoot pig-walkers in the street in your experience?

I'm still looking for the slew of examples of legally-armed, openly carrying people shooting anyone in the street. Google isn't giving up that data.
 
Jiro said:
Ah!!! You're a fellow Hokie!!!! So am I!

Good news- Virginia law currently does not prohibit CCW on its public school property.
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I'm only a Hokie by relation and association, but nice to meet you anyway!

I wasn't aware that Virginia allowed CCW on campus...will have to look into that. It would go a long way to making me feel better about the ridiculous security measures in place.
 
Jiro said:
yes pretty sure. what do you think why you rarely hear about this kind of OC-related news? I think the last time was that black Republican guy carrying unloaded assault rifle with no magazine at political rally.

I was in Las Vegas and I saw only one person - a punk with extremely large baggy pants openly-carrying a glock, walking on crowded sidewalk. nobody panicked or called a cop on him.

I frequent to gun-friendly states and I rarely see a person OC'ing it. Majority of people prefer to CCW because of unwanted attention especially from police.
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And what was his intention? Certainly not to protect himself or anyone else from any kind of threat. It was to prove something.
 
PoiToy said:
I'm only a Hokie by relation and association, but nice to meet you anyway!
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ahhh my bad :)

PoiToy said:
I wasn't aware that Virginia allowed CCW on campus...will have to look into that. It would go a long way to making me feel better about the ridiculous security measures in place.
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no no. there is NO law prohibiting firearms on public campuses. That's a subtle but very important difference.
 
jillio said:
And what was his intention? Certainly not to protect himself or anyone else from any kind of threat. It was to prove something.
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and how would you know his intention?
 
PoiToy said:
I'm confused. Do people that open carry (the not socially aware ones) often shoot pig-walkers in the street in your experience?

I'm still looking for the slew of examples of legally-armed, openly carrying people shooting anyone in the street. Google isn't giving up that data.
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They could have perceived that pig as a threat, or the behavior of walking a pig down Main Street as a threat. The point being, anyone that wants to see a threat will. My concern is the stability of those that see a threat at every turn. Just recently, a man shot his daughter in law and killed her because he thought she was a thief about to break into his house. She was walking up his drive way. If the gun had not been available, she would be alive. People make quick decisions oftentimes, and when they have a gun in their hand and make quick decisions, innocent people get killed.
 
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