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[posts from hell]

Engineering perspective.

Wright Brothers' original design was impractical. That's why the design was improved later on by other people. This "Quantum Levitation" is nice and novel but impractical. In order to make this works - it needs to be supercooled. That is costly and impractical. and not to mention extremely dangerous too.

Bottom line - Japanese's mag rail is practical and cost-effective. Quantum Levitation works better in magic show, not commercial level.

Exactly my point. Without trail and error everyday things would still be impractical, like the automobile.

 

[Jiro]

Exactly my point. Without trail and error everyday things would still be impractical, like the automobile.

here's no trials and errors with this. it'll never make it to commercial sector. like always - it's best to understand its concept and then try to find a more practical solution with that similar concept.... such as mag rail.

what's for sure - anything that requires supercooling has never been used for practical purpose for past decades. even NASA or space companies are not using any of it for space trips.

 

[posts from hell]

here's no trials and errors with this. it'll never make it to commercial sector. like always - it's best to understand its concept and then try to find a more practical solution with that similar concept.... such as mag rail.

what's for sure - anything that requires supercooling has never been used for practical purpose for past decades. even NASA or space companies are not using any of it for space trips.

Thats what you know.

 

[TWA]

here's no trials and errors with this. it'll never make it to commercial sector. like always - it's best to understand its concept and then try to find a more practical solution with that similar concept.... such as mag rail.

what's for sure - anything that requires supercooling has never been used for practical purpose for past decades. even NASA or space companies are not using any of it for space trips.

Perhaps not in the immediate future, but it is the concept that is important. The first cellphone was invented in the 70s, and it was highly impractical and inefficient, required all kinds of bulky apparatus just to get a barely audible signal. Nobody ever thought it would be possible to take that phone to a commercial level. . . .

What the naysayers (like yourself) failed to realize is that it was the CONCEPT of a cellular phone finally coming to fruition that was the true achievement.

The rest is just details.

 

[Jiro]

Perhaps not in the immediate future, but it is the concept that is important. The first cellphone was invented in the 70s, and it was highly impractical and inefficient, required all kinds of bulky apparatus just to get a barely audible signal. Nobody ever thought it would be possible to take that phone to a commercial level. . . .

What the naysayers (like yourself) failed to realize is that it was the CONCEPT of a cellular phone finally coming to fruition that was the true achievement.

The rest is just details.

here's a problem with this argument.

Cellphone - you're talking about electronic/microchip design. It follows Moore's Law. That's why it continues to get smaller and faster.

Quantum Levitation - it's a chemical & physic & whatever engineering. It does not follow Moore's Law. How exactly are we going to supercool it in practical sense? Supercooling has always been cost-prohibitive and extremely dangerous since Day 1. Chemical Engineering in that field is extremely difficult and it tends to make a significant advancement on practical scale every few decades or more.

That's to show you a major difference between cellphone and quantum levitation comparison/argument.

Since our battery technology remains unchanged since 1900's... then how can we expect this Quantum Levitation to come into fruition on practical sense? In fact - if our battery technology has made an advancement.... it will immediately render Quantum Levitation, gas-powered engine, and bunch of other theoretical technologies outdated. This alone is powerful enough to cause a massive power shift on everything including oil industry.

 

[FireTiger]

Lets say we can use it as an emergency system on already super Mag devices...

Practical- not really, butter then losing a trainload (or two if there is a collision event) of people... yes.

 

[posts from hell]

here's a problem with this argument.

Cellphone - you're talking about electronic/microchip design. It follows Moore's Law. That's why it continues to get smaller and faster.

Quantum Levitation - it's a chemical & physic & whatever engineering. It does not follow Moore's Law. How exactly are we going to supercool it in practical sense? Supercooling has always been cost-prohibitive and extremely dangerous since Day 1. Chemical Engineering in that field is extremely difficult and it tends to make a significant advancement on practical scale every few decades or more.

That's to show you a major difference between cellphone and quantum levitation comparison/argument.

Since our battery technology remains unchanged since 1900's... then how can we expect this Quantum Levitation to come into fruition on practical sense? In fact - if our battery technology has made an advancement.... it will immediately render Quantum Levitation, gas-powered engine, and bunch of other theoretical technologies outdated. This alone is powerful enough to cause a massive power shift on everything including oil industry.

Either way, it's still the future. Look at some of the stuff Tesla came up with. There was stuff he couldn't even make back then and we're finally able to make them these days. Only took us a hundred years.

Never said it was the "near-future". Friction-less travel WILL be the future one way or the other.

 

[TWA]

here's a problem with this argument.

Cellphone - you're talking about electronic/microchip design. It follows Moore's Law. That's why it continues to get smaller and faster.

Moore's law is not a physical/natural law. It is simply an observation of a calculated process that has a lot of outside influences controlling the growth rate (the commodities market, for example). Who's to say similar trends and processes cannot be set in motion regarding quantum levitation?

Electronics and microchips are, at a base level, also chemical and physical interactions. In fact, everything is. . . .

Quantum Levitation - it's a chemical & physic & whatever engineering. It does not follow Moore's Law. How exactly are we going to supercool it in practical sense? Supercooling has always been cost-prohibitive and extremely dangerous since Day 1.

That is not for you or me to worry about. Future generations of scientists, chemists, and physicists will design new technology and processes that can make this possible.

Since our battery technology remains unchanged since 1900's... then how can we expect this Quantum Levitation to come into fruition on practical sense? In fact - if our battery technology has made an advancement.... it will immediately render Quantum Levitation, gas-powered engine, and bunch of other theoretical technologies outdated. This alone is powerful enough to cause a massive power shift on everything including oil industry.

I agree that our battery technology is quite limited, but I'm not sure what this has to do with Quantum Levitation?

 

[Jiro]

Either way, it's still the future. Look at some of the stuff Tesla came up with. There was stuff he couldn't even make back then and we're finally able to make them these days. Only took us a hundred years.

Never said it was the "near-future". Friction-less travel WILL be the future one way or the other.

Tesla and Quantum Levitation are not the same thing in every sense. Tesla is electrical & mechanical engineering. Anything is feasible with Tesla technology. That's why there is a Tesla car. Easily achievable. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a Tesla gun in near future.... oh wait.... isn't it called Tazer?

Quantum Levitation is chemical engineering. How come there is no practical car powered by chemical-related substance such as liquid nitrogen or hydrogen or whatever? There you go.

"Tesla Levitation" is actually much more feasible than Quantum Levitation. There's no near-future or far-future for Quantum Levitation.... sorry to say and it's a truth. Any expert will agree. Like I said - it's a nice novel idea but sorry - just like all other cool lab toys for past decades... 99% of it never made it past R&D labs.

All you have to do is look at Quantum Levitation's engineering. It makes no sense to use it for train or any practical uses except for Criss Angel's or David Blaine's show. Tesla Levitation makes sense. It does not require the supercooling that Quantum Levitation needs and it's much safer and easily achievable.

 

[FireTiger]

Faraday cages rock!

 

[posts from hell]

Tesla and Quantum Levitation are not the same thing in every sense. Tesla is electrical & mechanical engineering. Anything is feasible with Tesla technology. That's why there is a Tesla car. Easily achievable. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a Tesla gun in near future.... oh wait.... isn't it called Tazer?

Quantum Levitation is chemical engineering. How come there is no practical car powered by chemical-related substance such as liquid nitrogen or hydrogen or whatever? There you go.

"Tesla Levitation" is actually much more feasible than Quantum Levitation. There's no near-future or far-future for Quantum Levitation.... sorry to say and it's a truth. Any expert will agree. Like I said - it's a nice novel idea but sorry - just like all other cool lab toys for past decades... 99% of it never made it past R&D labs.

All you have to do is look at Quantum Levitation's engineering. It makes no sense to use it for train or any practical uses except for Criss Angel's or David Blaine's show. Tesla Levitation makes sense. It does not require the supercooling that Quantum Levitation needs and it's much safer and easily achievable.

You know Tesla was a man? And the Tesla was only a brand that is honoring the man by the owner of the automobile manufacturer, Elon Musk.

Even at the time, Edison was SCREAMING that all of Tesla's ideas were impractical. And look at us, using his ideas on an every day basis.

 

[Jiro]

Moore's law is not a physical/natural law. It is simply an observation of a calculated process that has a lot of outside influences controlling the growth rate (the commodities market, for example). Who's to say similar trends and processes cannot be set in motion regarding quantum levitation?

Electronics and microchips are, at a base level, also chemical and physical interactions. In fact, everything is. . . .

Commodities market? You must be talking about Moore's Second Law.

and what I'm talking about is Moore's Law of Integrated Circuits. Microchips continues to advance as according to Moore's Law and battery technology hasn't... which is why microchip works around with our existing battery technology by sipping less power.

If you look at entire Moore's Law - Quantum Levitation does not fit in this picture since it does not have transistors or semiconductor or anything electronic.

That is not for you or me to worry about. Future generations of scientists, chemists, and physicists will design new technology and processes that can make this possible.

I agree that our battery technology is quite limited, but I'm not sure what this has to do with Quantum Levitation?

both battery technology and quantum levitation are part of chemical engineering. if we cannot even make any advancement in our battery technology, it's laughable to even think quantum levitation will eventually come into fruition.

It absolutely makes no sense to think Quantum Levitation is the future when in fact an advancement in our battery technology is the future and an answer to just about everything (partially because Moore's Law is predicted to expire at around 2017 - more or less). This will greatly benefits Tesla technology and hybrid technology. Quantum Levitation does not benefit us or our future generations. I see nothing but a colossal waste of money and colossal environmental danger.

 

[Jiro]

You know Tesla was a man? And the Tesla was only a brand that is honoring the man by the owner of the automobile manufacturer, Elon Musk.

for the sake of simplicity, "Tesla-whatever" is an application using Tesla's idea. Tesla Car. Tesla Train. Tesla Gun.

Even at the time, Edison was SCREAMING that all of Tesla's ideas were impractical. And look at us, using his ideas on an every day basis.

you're thinking in electrical/mechanical sense.... not chemical.

Tesla's idea is growing with popularity and being used in several practical applications. it continues to advance forward.

and Edison's idea? 110 years later.... it's exactly same. How sad....

 

[posts from hell]

for the sake of simplicity,



you're thinking in electrical/mechanical sense.... not chemical.

Tesla's idea is growing with popularity and being used in several practical applications. it continues to advance forward.

and Edison's idea? 110 years later.... it's exactly same. How sad....

For the sake of simplicity:

Some of these ideas were considered very impractical at the time. 100+ years ago.

And you're saying this is impractical.

 

[Cheetah]

Tesla and Quantum Levitation are not the same thing in every sense. Tesla is electrical & mechanical engineering. Anything is feasible with Tesla technology. That's why there is a Tesla car. Easily achievable. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a Tesla gun in near future.... oh wait.... isn't it called Tazer?

Quantum Levitation is chemical engineering. How come there is no practical car powered by chemical-related substance such as liquid nitrogen or hydrogen or whatever? There you go.

"Tesla Levitation" is actually much more feasible than Quantum Levitation. There's no near-future or far-future for Quantum Levitation.... sorry to say and it's a truth. Any expert will agree. Like I said - it's a nice novel idea but sorry - just like all other cool lab toys for past decades... 99% of it never made it past R&D labs.

All you have to do is look at Quantum Levitation's engineering. It makes no sense to use it for train or any practical uses except for Criss Angel's or David Blaine's show. Tesla Levitation makes sense. It does not require the supercooling that Quantum Levitation needs and it's much safer and easily achievable.

Tesla Levitation is not really levitation. If you put the triangle in a vacuum and try to get it to levitate it will fail. While the Quantum leviation should continue to work, even in a vacuum. This means the Tesla Leviatation is really more like a propulsion system than leviation. As I understand it, it super heats the air around the wires. This, however, is the limit of my physics understanding.

 

[Jiro]

For the sake of simplicity:

Some of these ideas were considered very impractical at the time. 100+ years ago.

And you're saying this is impractical.

If I were there 100+ years ago, I wouldn't say it's impractical.

 

[posts from hell]

If I were there 100+ years ago, I wouldn't say it's impractical.

and again back then you would be living in a cabin with dirt for your floor most likely. You sure that will not change your thoughts?

People could not EVEN accept the fact a car could go 35 mph at that era. It was mind blowing.

 

[Dixie]

Dry ice is used on a commercial scale - it is used in poultry processing to keep chicken product frozen longer during long transports from one facility to another or if it will be placed in storage for an indefinite amount of time. 99% of the chicken product you purchase from the store has been in contact with dry ice at some point in time. Keep in mind there is usually a thin plastic barrier between the product and the dry ice to prevent the meat from coming in contact with what USDA deems as a foreign substance.

Even a small poultry processor such as PJP used dry ice in it's facilities.

If done right, it's possible for this type of transportation to be used on a commercial scale despite it's danger.

Just saying the use of dry ice is already in commercial use. These guys just worked on a concept for using it in transportation.

I just hope it succeeds so maybe we can find more environmentally sound yet efficient ways of moving people and goods across distances.

 

[posts from hell]

Dry ice is used on a commercial scale - it is used in poultry processing to keep chicken product frozen longer during long transports from one facility to another or if it will be placed in storage for an indefinite amount of time. 99% of the chicken product you purchase from the store has been in contact with dry ice at some point in time. Keep in mind there is usually a thin plastic barrier between the product and the dry ice to prevent the meat from coming in contact with what USDA deems as a foreign substance.

Even a small poultry processor such as PJP used dry ice in it's facilities.

If done right, it's possible for this type of transportation to be used on a commercial scale despite it's danger.

Just saying the use of dry ice is already in commercial use. These guys just worked on a concept for using it in transportation.

I just hope it succeeds so maybe we can find more environmentally sound yet efficient ways of moving people and goods across distances.

Thats a pretty good idea, actually... I know a lot of meat companies use dry ice.

just need to figure out how to keep the dry ice intact for long distance travel and we're good.

 

[Cheetah]

If I'm not misstaken, you will need something colder than dry ice to make this work.