Why do kids make fun?

It do not make sense to me that Americans can have weapons in home to defend their person and property, and shoot to kill and get off charges, but a child cannot defend themselves from the same threat.:shock:
 
rebeccalj said:
It do not make sense to me that Americans can have weapons in home to defend their person and property, and shoot to kill and get off charges, but a child cannot defend themselves from the same threat.:shock:
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you get protected by law regarding self-defense (typically weapons involved) if he is about to kill you.

but you don't really get protected by law for self-defense in fist-fighting case. sad, I know but that's the way it is now. That's why I hope nobody took Steinhauser's advice seriously.
 
Jiro said:
you get protected by law regarding self-defense (typically weapons involved) if he is about to kill you.

but you don't really get protected by law for self-defense in fist-fighting case. sad, I know but that's the way it is now. That's why I hope nobody took Steinhauser's advice seriously.
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:roll:

could you pretty please point out laws that criminalize people for protecting themselves from serious bodily injury. I would really appreciate it.
 
Jiro said:
you get protected by law regarding self-defense (typically weapons involved) if he is about to kill you.

but you don't really get protected by law for self-defense in fist-fighting case. sad, I know but that's the way it is now. That's why I hope nobody took Steinhauser's advice seriously.
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Well, that is sad. I do not like bullies. EVAH!!
 
I remember reporting about my bullies at school and it didn't work for me. They just gave both of us (me and the bullies) detention slips to be equal.
Reporting was kind of like a "I'm going to tell on you" blah blah that doesn't always 100% resolve the problem from adult intervention, the bully's feelings were still there in my case.

The only way it worked for me was to put on a tough armor guy attitude. I didn't just walk away, but I also made it looked like if they wanted a piece of me, they'll get it. They were intimidated after I stepped up the game.

But I'm a guy and these were all guys, so I don't know if that works for you - it might not.
 
naisho said:
I remember reporting about my bullies at school and it didn't work for me. They just gave both of us (me and the bullies) detention slips to be equal.

The only way it worked for me was to put on a tough armor guy attitude. I didn't just walk away, but I also made it looked like if they wanted a piece of me, they'll get it. They were intimidated after I stepped up the game.

But I'm a guy and these were all guys, so I don't know if that works for you - it might not.
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That is why parents must write a letter to school officials notifying them of the harrassment/bullying. Parents also need to notify that their child was taught to defend themselves in the event of any physical altercation and that the parents will stand by this if there is nothing done to stop the bullying.

Here is my State's anti-bullying law:


Senate Bill 250



AS PASSED
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT

To amend Chapter 2 of Title 20 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to elementary and secondary education, so as to revise provisions relating to unlawful disruption of or interference with the operation of public schools or public school buses; to expand the definition of "bullying"; to provide for legislative findings; to provide that a student can be reassigned to another school for the purpose of separating such student from his or her bullying victim; to direct the Department of Education to develop a model policy regarding bullying; to provide that a mental state of knowledge, intention, or recklessness shall be an element of such offense; to provide for an effective date and for applicability; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:

SECTION 1.
It is the intent of the General Assembly that the model policy regarding bullying that is required to be promulgated by the Department of Education under this Act shall be utilized as a resource for the benefit of local school systems and shall not be used as a definition of the exclusive applicable standard of care in any civil or administrative action.

SECTION 2.
Chapter 2 of Title 20 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to elementary and secondary education, is amended by revising Code Section 20-2-751.4, relating to policies prohibiting bullying, as follows:
"20-2-751.4.
(a) As used in this Code section, the term 'bullying' means an act which occurs on school property, on school vehicles, at designated school bus stops, or at school related functions or activities, or by use of data or software that is accessed through a computer, computer system, computer network, or other electronic technology of a local school system, that is:
(1) Any willful attempt or threat to inflict injury on another person, when accompanied by an apparent present ability to do so; or
(2) Any intentional display of force such as would give the victim reason to fear or expect immediate bodily harm; or
(3) Any intentional written, verbal, or physical act, which a reasonable person would perceive as being intended to threaten, harass, or intimidate, that:
(A) Causes another person substantial physical harm within the meaning of Code Section 16-5-23.1 or visible bodily harm as such term is defined in Code Section 16-5-23.1;
(B) Has the effect of substantially interfering with a student's education;
(C) Is so severe, persistent, or pervasive that it creates an intimidating or threatening educational environment; or
(D) Has the effect of substantially disrupting the orderly operation of the school.
(b) No later than August 1, 2011:
(1) Each local board of education shall adopt policies, applicable to students in grades six through 12, that prohibit a policy that prohibits bullying of a student by another student and shall require such prohibition to be included in the student code of conduct for middle and high schools in that school system.;
(2) Each local Local board policies policy shall require that, upon a finding by the disciplinary hearing officer, panel, or tribunal of school officials provided for in this subpart that a student in grades six through 12 has committed the offense of bullying for the third time in a school year, such student shall be assigned to an alternative school.;
(3) Each local board of education shall establish and publish in its local board policy a method to notify the parent, guardian, or other person who has control or charge of a student upon a finding by a school administrator that such student has committed an offense of bullying or is a victim of bullying; and
(4) Each local board of education shall ensure that students and parents of students are notified of the prohibition against bullying, and the penalties for violating the prohibition, by posting such information at each middle and high school and by including such information in student and parent handbooks.
(c) No later than January 1, 2011, the Department of Education shall develop a model policy regarding bullying, that may be revised from time to time, and shall post such policy on its website in order to assist local school systems. Such model policy shall include:
(1) A statement prohibiting bullying;
(2) A requirement that any teacher or other school employee who has reliable information that would lead a reasonable person to suspect that someone is a target of bullying shall immediately report it to the school principal;
(3) A requirement that each school have a procedure for the school administration to promptly investigate in a timely manner and determine whether bullying has occurred;
(4) An age-appropriate range of consequences for bullying which shall include, at minimum and without limitation, disciplinary action or counseling as appropriate under the circumstances;
(5) A procedure for a teacher or other school employee, student, parent, guardian, or other person who has control or charge of a student, either anonymously or in such person's name, at such person's option, to report or otherwise provide information on bullying activity;
(6) A statement prohibiting retaliation following a report of bullying; and
(7) Provisions consistent with the requirements of subsection (b) of this Code section.
(d) The Department of Education shall develop and post on its website a list of entities and their contact information which produce antibullying training programs and materials deemed appropriate by the department for use in local school systems.
(e) Any person who reports an incident of bullying in good faith shall be immune from civil liability for any damages caused by such reporting.
(f) Nothing in this Code section or in the model policy promulgated by the Department of Education shall be construed to require a local board of education to provide transportation to a student transferred to another school as a result of a bullying incident.
(g) Any school system which is not in compliance with the requirements of subsection (b) of this Code section shall be ineligible to receive state funding pursuant to Code Sections 20-2-161 and 20-2-260."

SECTION 3.
Said chapter is further amended by revising Code Section 20-2-1181, relating to unlawful disruption of or interference with the operation of public schools or public school buses, as follows:
"20-2-1181.
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly disrupt or interfere with the operation of any public school, public school bus, or public school bus stop as designated by local school boards of education. Any person violating this Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature."

SECTION 4.
This Act shall become effective upon its approval by the Governor or upon its becoming law without such approval. This Act shall apply with respect to conduct on or after that date and conduct prior to that date shall continue to be governed by prior law.

SECTION 5.
All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.
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Self defense is not illegal in Georgia. The only person's receiving the short end of the stick of any lawsuit would be school administrators that did nothing to stop the bullying.
 
Steinhauer said:
That is why parents must write a letter to school officials notifying them of the harrassment/bullying. Parents also need to notify that their child was taught to defend themselves in the event of any physical altercation and that the parents will stand by this if there is nothing done to stop the bullying.
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meh, I wouldn't say that the letter would do much except to give notice or make things formal. The best thing that could happen to the bullied kid is friends who step up for them and challenge the bullies.
I had several who did in high school and it was cool, I was and felt accepted. But not everyone will have this luxury.
 
naisho said:
meh, I wouldn't say that the letter would do much except to give notice or make things formal. The best thing that could happen to the bullied kid is friends who step up for them and challenge the bullies.
I had several who did in high school and it was cool, I was and felt accepted. But not everyone will have this luxury.
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Yes, your right - having friends stick up for the victim is very crucial.


Also, I was just clarifying that self defense is not a criminal action. Bullying is (in States that have anti-bullying laws).


The Buddy Revell's of the world get what is coming to them:


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Steinhauer said:
Yes, your right - having friends stick up for the victim is very crucial.


Also, I was just clarifying that self defense is not a criminal action. Bullying is (in States that have anti-bullying laws).


The Buddy Revell's of the world get what is coming to them:


Three o'clock high (4) - YouTube
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Never saw that movie but it looks like a typical bullying done in high school. It is funny how he beat down all the school staff though, I'm glad I didn't have a bully that strong! :shock:
 
I would call in an air strike.
That makes as much sense as some posts here.
 
Steinhauer said:
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could you pretty please point out laws that criminalize people for protecting themselves from serious bodily injury. I would really appreciate it.
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see Post #19 and try to use your reading comprehension
 
Jiro said:
aw you make it sounds so simple. I guess that's your "reality" which is unfortunately misguided and criminal. well then - good luck and I pray that kids don't take your advice.

from your link -


btw.... what you just showed me is not "random articles".... it's just some How-To-Kick-Some-Ass manual guide by some misguided parents.

This is REALITY

Bullied Girl May Get A Marked Record For Fighting Back « CBS Minnesota

When Bullied Kids Defend Themselves, Why Do Schools Punish Them? - True Crime Report

VIDEO: Boy body-slams his alleged bully - CBS News
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I see your attempt to contradict what I have been saying all along .... but I don't see any contradiction:

Bullied Girl May Get A Marked Record For Fighting Back « CBS Minnesota

“When they wouldn’t help her she had to bring it upon herself to solve the problem and make it go away,” Dietz said.

Records show her daughter reported the bullying, which was done by a girl who made fun of her clothes and her friends.
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As I stated earlier, some people live in a reality where they report bullying yet nothing is ever done ..... knees and elbows ... remember it.


You pointed out another link, more like a blog, where someone asks why children are punished for defending themselves against bullies, yet the example of this is shown by a school in Australia. I specifically asked you to find laws that criminalized people (as here in the U.S.) for defending themselves from bodily injury.

You have yet to do this.

Here, I will "guide" you through this. Charles Podany was prosecuted in a case where the State he lives in has a stand your ground law. My State also has that law.

When he defended himself, using excessive force, the prosecutors did everything they could to turn him into a criminal. They failed miserably. Why? Because Charles Podany was protected by the stand your ground law.

This same law applies to children in my State. Only a loser would try to turn an innocent kid defending themself from bullies into a criminal.
 
My dad and my brother encouraged me to fight back and I'm glad they did. In grade 3, I was fighting sixth graders and winning. It certainly empowered me and gave me a sense of confidence I didn't have before. and if this meant getting a juvie record or being forced to change to another school, I wouldn't care. There's no way anyone has the right to scare and intimidate me into silent suffering, I won't stand for it. In high school, I developed the stare-down tactic and it was highly effective.
 
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Im hearing and I'm always trying to interact with deaf people and learn more sign language so I understand were your coming from with ppl making fun of you and stuff just tell them to back off don't just stand there and not say anything you have to stand up for your self and the deaf that they are referring to.
 
I didn't read anything about physical attacks or needing self defense in saraastein's posts.

I think she should try the reporting route first. It may work. We don't know until she tries.

I wonder if the bullies are also targeting the deaf students directly?
 
Yes, saraastein, these people are immature, and they won't succeed in life nearly as well as you will.
 
Reba said:
I didn't read anything about physical attacks or needing self defense in saraastein's posts.

I think she should try the reporting route first. It may work. We don't know until she tries.

I wonder if the bullies are also targeting the deaf students directly?
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reba, yes, not only report it, but leave a paper trail of reporting it. When and if that doesn't work, and if a child is being physically targetted, they should not feel they will get in trouble for fighting back.

It has been my experience that bullying starts out with verbal taunts that eventually lead to physical confrontations. But, I am a guy, it may be different for girls (other than the girl in the article about Minnessotta).
 
Steinhauer said:
reba, yes, not only report it, but leave a paper trail of reporting it. When and if that doesn't work, and if a child is being physically targetted, they should not feel they will get in trouble for fighting back.

It has been my experience that bullying starts out with verbal taunts that eventually lead to physical confrontations. But, I am a guy, it may be different for girls (other than the girl in the article about Minnessotta).
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Not that different. times were different when I was young. Back then, reporting bullies was seen as "tattle-taling" so I had no recourse but to fight back. I had my head banged against brick walls, shoved up against walls, snow shoved down my throat, things thrown at me, constantly pushed and tripped and pinched and hair pulled. fighting back stopped all of that and won me some respect.
 
Wow, I guess times are different. That's terrible. I don't recall such physical violence in any of my high schools (I went to two on the East Coast, and two on the West). It was rare for girls to be violent. They could be cruel but not physical.
 
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