CI--Deaf or Hearing?

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jillio said:
Yep. That is a great example of the differences in accepted behaviors between the two cultures. People really need to look at those differences instead of just letting it stop at one person hears and one person doesn't. That barely hits the surface.
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two cultures i notice mixing on the on thread on posts It is seems on mixing on reading! I know!
 
Beach girl said:
Only for some people, but they seem to be the loudest and most prolific typists.

Very strange. It's supposed to be "All" deaf, isn't it? Capital-D Deaf, small-d deaf, Hoh, hearing people with an interest in the subject, etc. We don't all share the same perspective and we won't all come to the same conclusions. Why that fact seems to give some people the vapors is a strange thing.
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There is still a huge difference in things that truly matter to the Deaf community and what matters to those that have a hearing, or a hearing think, perpsective. Untill the hearing and the hearing think are able to recognize those differences and give them as much validity as their own perspective--and more when it comes to things that affect the D/deaf--you will see this kind of childish accusations of being picked on and being attacked coming from the hearing faction. We don't all have to agree. That is humanly impossible. However, when you are in a forum devoted to the D/deaf then you have crossed into a culture that is quite different from the majority. You need to abide by those culturals designations of what is acceptable and what is not. If you can't do that, you have no business attempting to cross cultural lines because you are too narrow minded to see past your own nose.

(And "you" is being used in a generalized sense, not a specific sense.)
 
jillio said:
Yep. That is a great example of the differences in accepted behaviors between the two cultures. People really need to look at those differences instead of just letting it stop at one person hears and one person doesn't. That barely hits the surface.
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My family had no problems touching me to get my attention. Hell, I've been swatted, hit, punched, pinched...the list goes on :) Still rather be touched than ignored.

Some people need to understand that that sometimes it's more important to think of others than of oneself.
 
smithtr said:
you are good lots of smart and experience!! sound impression! you are good skills experience trust! Jillo is very know already lots of experience :P



two cultures i notice mixing on the on thread on posts It is seems on mixing on reading! I know!
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:ty: Thank you very much, Travis. Your vote of confidence means a lot to me.:hug:
 
Cheetah said:
I had an experience a few minutes ago... A co-worker came to my office and just stood at the door politely coughing for 5 mins or so. I had no idea he was there and I just happened to turn around and noticed him. We had a conversation about how to get my attention and suggested strongly that he just tap my shoulder. He absolutely refused to touch me at all... sigh. He wanted to lightly tap his foot on the floor. I almost laughed out loud, I told him I am Deaf and he quickly responded that he does not see me that way. So I asserted that I am deaf and I proudly see myself that way. He got all embarrassed so we moved on to the topic he stopped by to discuss with me.

I'm :deaf: and proud of it!
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Excellent example of the differences in accepted behaviors between the two cultures. Surely he shouldn't have trouble understanding that he is dealing with YOU, and YOU gave him permission to touch YOU on YOUR shoulder based on what is acceptable culturally for YOU.

That is what I mean about the hearing not being willing to accommodate. They can't get out of their narrow minded box long enough to actually provide for your needs as you see fit. Consequently, they are responsible for the need for accommodation simply by creating those obstacles.
 
Jiro said:
equal?

lol.
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No doubt. Anyone who says something that naive really needs to open their eyes. That is a statement that someone who has taken advantage of societal priviledge all their life without even thinking about it makes.:roll:

If CSign in indeed a woman, she is one that has been provided for by the paternalistic system currently in place.
 
DeafCaroline said:
My family had no problems touching me to get my attention. Hell, I've been swatted, hit, punched, pinched...the list goes on :) Still rather be touched than ignored.

Some people need to understand that that sometimes it's more important to think of others than of oneself.
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Most of the time, when dealing with someone different from yourself, if is important to do so. That is, it is important to do so if you have any desire to know and get along with those who are different from yourself.

With as many different cultures as exist in this country (and Canada as well) it really amazes me at the inability to think from a multicultural perspective that most people demonstrate.
 
CSign said:
Apparently diversity here is taboo.
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As if you would understand anything what so ever about diversity.:laugh2:

If you understood diversity, you would not be so argumentative and offensive regarding the Deaf perpsective.:laugh2:
 
ash345 said:
Believe it or not, I have read up on things, I may have been on this site for less than a month, but that doesn't mean that I am an idiot. I'm not just looking at what jullio writes, and I'm not just liking them because they are from her. I have a mind of my own, and if i happen to agree with someone, then yeah, I will like their posts... and if i find inconsistencies, then i will not I am not one that follows trends, or easily gives in to "peer pressure" there are some poses of jullio's that I did not like, but I don't remember ever liking one of yours...
tell me what things I am incorrect about, and who am i supposedly mixing you up with?
some of your posts are demeaning, so with your train of thought, does that make you like Hitler?
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Bingo. We don't all have to agree with everything all of the time. But neither do we have to turn it into a "them vs us" war, as some posters are so wont to do.
 
wow you jillo congratulation 50,000 posts!hard work :shock: sound hard work

you are first :lol::P:P:fruit:
 
CSign said:
Ash345- it would serve you well to read what I have written in the past and form your opinion about me, rather than basing it on the nonsense Jullio spills out of her fingers. Additionally, some of the things you claim about me are incorrect, and you're confusing me with another poster. Considering you have been on this forum less than a month, you would be better off to reserve your opinion of others until you are clear on their ideas. You are not clear about me, what I know, what I do. Jullio likes to "put words in my mouth" that were never spoken, or typed in "black and white". I did notice how you "liked" all of Jullio's posts. I find that interesting, as I personally wouldn't "like" a post that demeans and puts others down. But hey- that's just me.

In terms of this whole superiority thing, well... I was never a fan of Hitler, but again- that's just me.
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Again with the patronizing and offensive assumptions. Do you actually believe that Deaf are so uneducated and needy that they follow blindly anyone who stands in their favor? See...you don't even have an inkling of the way you are continuing to present yourself around here.

Again with your victim card. You are getting closer and closer to being rejected completely here. :roll:
And then how will you get all of that attention that you so desperately crave when everyone starts ignoring you completely. You won't even get negative attention at that point. Right now, you appear to be so needy for any attention at all that you would prefer the negative to nothing at all.:cool2:
 
Jiro said:
so why don't we make it clear for everybody?

1. what sign language are you using with your son?
2. who picked it and why?
3. how long have you been signing it?
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Good luck on getting a direct answer!:lol:
 
sallylou said:
I didn't think that Csign would take the challenge. Some people claim to support causes from a distance as long as there's no inconvenience.
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And this is obviously just another case of that.:roll:
 
jillio said:
Again with the patronizing and offensive assumptions. Do you actually believe that Deaf are so uneducated and needy that they follow blindly anyone who stands in their favor? See...you don't even have an inkling of the way you are continuing to present yourself around here.

Again with your victim card. You are getting closer and closer to being rejected completely here. :roll:
And then how will you get all of that attention that you so desperately crave when everyone starts ignoring you completely. You won't even get negative attention at that point. Right now, you appear to be so needy for any attention at all that you would prefer the negative to nothing at all.:cool2:
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Why do you continually say stuff like this? You pick this big fight with her, and then accuse HER of "craving attention?"

Do you have any mirrors in your house? Time to use one...
 
jillio said:
If you understood diversity, you would not be so argumentative and offensive regarding the Deaf perpsective.:laugh2:
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Interesting, and good, way to put it.

Can't think of the number of times some of our school/ASL/speech, etc. experiences -- such as Shel's, DD, PFH, myself, etc. were totally shot down. These are experiences that we shared about our deaf lives only to be told something else, such as, "oh, but that's just not how it's done," and so on. Gone on for too many years in this forum like that. I know some of the hearing parents so hate it (they've said so!) when we say that they have to have lived it to understand it. But, oh how so true that is. And we get argued against instead. Nice.
 
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