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Reba said:
Where's the rest of the speech? I can't tell what he's talking about from that short clip.

From what little is included, Bush is talking about the plans of Al Qaeda operatives, not the plans of the US government.

Are you saying that after all this supposedly carefully crafted diabolical plotting, Bush decided to blurt out the scheme in a nationwide televised speech?
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I wondered that myself, to tell the truth. But don't forget that Rumsfeld said that a "missile" hit the Pentagon and that Flight 93 was "shot down" over Pennsylvania on 9-11. Just saying, so who knows Bush's frame of mind at the time?
 
StSapphire said:
This has always been my contention with any conspiracy theory that involves a government coverup. I simply don't believe in our (or any) government enough to believe they could ever actually pull it off. Far too many points of failure.
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I'm with you and Reba on this one. I will admit that for a while the 911 conspiracy interested me but l'v always found it a bit far fetched that the goverenment would go to such lengths.
 
Reba said:
History shows us that no previous administrations have been able to keep any of their secrets from exposure for very long.
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You mean they weren't able to keep a single secret from exposure? Here's a little known fact about secrets, they are only secrets if no one else know about them. They are no longer secrets if they are known by someone else or the public.
 
Banjo said:
You mean they weren't able to keep a single secret from exposure? Here's a little known fact about secrets, they are only secrets if no one else know about them. They are no longer secrets if they are known by someone else or the public.
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Yep. The more people who know about a plot, the less likely that it will be kept a secret.
 
deafskeptic said:
Yep. The more people who know about a plot, the less likely that it will be kept a secret.
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Right, I'm sure there are plenty of secrets we don't know about because that's the way they want it to stay. You can't keep everything a secret though.
 
Banjo said:
Right, I'm sure there are plenty of secrets we don't know about because that's the way they want it to stay. You can't keep everything a secret though.
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There are military secrets that stay secret until they are declassified.

However, if you notice, that's only when they are strictly military operations. As soon as you mix civilian politicians into the scenario, the hush factor goes kaboom. They just can't seem to keep their mouths shut. (Especially after the fact.)

Then, add to that the possibility that even one participant feels slighted or wronged, or gets a conscience and you have a whistle blower. All it takes is one.
 
Reba said:
There are military secrets that stay secret until they are declassified.

However, if you notice, that's only when they are strictly military operations. As soon as you mix civilian politicians into the scenario, the hush factor goes kaboom. They just can't seem to keep their mouths shut. (Especially after the fact.)

Then, add to that the possibility that even one participant feels slighted or wronged, or gets a conscience and you have a whistle blower. All it takes is one.
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Just a question, is it possible for a secret to stay a secret if it is not to be found in any of the military/government files? For instance, the deep, deep undercover agents?
 
The way I see it, and I may be wrong or not thinking right, is that whatever President comes in, we have to remember that they are handed whatever crap is left form the previous administration and have to clean that up before they can move on. It makes it real hard for them to act on any campaign promises right away and at times 4 years is not enough time to get it done. I'm not going to give my opinion on Obama, and I've never been one to follow politics much. It confuses me too much.
 
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I feel sorry for the poor bastard (or bastardette) that has to clean up after this guy....
 
Banjo said:
Just a question, is it possible for a secret to stay a secret if it is not to be found in any of the military/government files? For instance, the deep, deep undercover agents?
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Do you mean like CIA and NSA covert operations? Yes, those can stay secret because they keep the politicians out of their deep cover overseas operations.
 
Reba said:
Do you mean like CIA and NSA covert operations? Yes, those can stay secret because they keep the politicians out of their deep cover overseas operations.
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That's what I thought.
 
TXgolfer said:
I feel sorry for the poor bastard (or bastardette) that has to clean up after this guy....
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I'm pretty sure the president that will have to clean up after Obama will be... Obama. The Republicans haven't even got a candidate yet.
 
StSapphire said:
I'm pretty sure the president that will have to clean up after Obama will be... Obama. The Republicans haven't even got a candidate yet.
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Unless they make him King or China takes over there will be someone taking over after obama..... And I would want to be that guy. Things will not be better when he leaves office whether it is 12 or 16. Personally I hope he wins in 12......
 
TXgolfer said:
Unless they make him King or China takes over there will be someone taking over after obama..... And I would want to be that guy. Things will not be better when he leaves office whether it is 12 or 16. Personally I hope he wins in 12......
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Well if China took over (Oh come on... they don't want us. We're like a lemon of a country to the rest of the world. A giant, shiny, nuclear lemon.) then they'd be taking over after him. I think you're safe on him not being made king, most liberals I know will be happy if 2016 rolls around and there's another fully open election. Obama was good as a candidate, but a great many of us will be far more skeptical the next time around to (hopefully) find someone who will also be a good liberal while actually in office, too.
 
kokonut said:
So, we have a lemon in office then?
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No, the office (and the rest of the government associate with it) is all a lemon. He's representative of the rest. No better, no worse. They all suck.
 
StSapphire said:
No, the office (and the rest of the government associate with it) is all a lemon. He's representative of the rest. No better, no worse. They all suck.
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Sure sounds like THE lemon in office. Of course, most lemons don't have Executive Privilege in tow with them.
 
kokonut said:
Sure sounds like THE lemon in office. Of course, most lemons don't have Executive Privilege in tow with them.
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That's because you're a political conservative and interpret anything even remotely close to liberal as terrible and country ruining. Whereas I merely think he's impotent and an example of how the entire system is fundamentally broken.

Honestly, your partisan slinging like this just makes you sound silly. "Oh yeah!? You agree with me? Well... well... I hate him even morerer! And he eats his own poop! Now what, bitch?"
 
StSapphire said:
That's because you're a political conservative and interpret anything even remotely close to liberal as terrible and country ruining. Whereas I merely think he's impotent and an example of how the entire system is fundamentally broken.

Honestly, your partisan slinging like this just makes you sound silly. "Oh yeah!? You agree with me? Well... well... I hate him even morerer! And he eats his own poop! Now what, bitch?"
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He's at the top, no? Can't say everybody sucks equally in this case.
 
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