Does third grade lead to brain changes?

Well - that's interesting. Let's see, My daughter is doing parts of 3rd grade all over again as well as 5th grade. She was in public school for grades PreK (3 years) and part of K, last quarter of 2nd all of 3rd, 4th 5th & part of 6th. No change in her learning styles or comprehension. Technically she would have failed, but the school did not believe in holding a student back. They would rather graduate illiterate or ignorant students.
 
KristinaB said:
Well - that's interesting. Let's see, My daughter is doing parts of 3rd grade all over again as well as 5th grade. She was in public school for grades PreK (3 years) and part of K, last quarter of 2nd all of 3rd, 4th 5th & part of 6th. No change in her learning styles or comprehension. Technically she would have failed, but the school did not believe in holding a student back. They would rather graduate illiterate or ignorant students.
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That is a shame. But we see it happen so often. It looks like she just needs someone that can teach those problem solving skills to her in a way that she connects with.
 
jillio said:
That is a shame. But we see it happen so often. It looks like she just needs someone that can teach those problem solving skills to her in a way that she connects with.
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We try different things with her each year. Each time we repeat a grade, she retains a little more of one thing, but loses another. This all come back to the learning problems she has. I look at it this way, she is happy, she is learning some things, she can do for herself and others up to a point. What more do I really need? All I can do is keep trying and to keep her mind well balanced as I do.

I just feel bad that this school could not figure out how to help some of the other students who had problems not as severe as my daughter. They still passed the kids. One of daughter's friends will be a senior next year and still reads at a 3rd grade level and can't do more than simple math. She is always a low scorer of the Missouri Assessment Placement (MAP) tests, but still is moved along on the path to graduate. This teenager still cannot handle reading a box of mac & cheese and fix it for herself.
 
KristinaB said:
We try different things with her each year. Each time we repeat a grade, she retains a little more of one thing, but loses another. This all come back to the learning problems she has. I look at it this way, she is happy, she is learning some things, she can do for herself and others up to a point. What more do I really need? All I can do is keep trying and to keep her mind well balanced as I do.

I just feel bad that this school could not figure out how to help some of the other students who had problems not as severe as my daughter. They still passed the kids. One of daughter's friends will be a senior next year and still reads at a 3rd grade level and can't do more than simple math. She is always a low scorer of the Missouri Assessment Placement (MAP) tests, but still is moved along on the path to graduate. This teenager still cannot handle reading a box of mac & cheese and fix it for herself.
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Yes, your daughter got the luck of the draw in a mom that has the right attitude. It's the ones that you know are not getting what they need that break your heart.
 
I almost failed third grade because my FM system was taken away and the multiplication tables were taught by memorization and we had to get into groups and repeat them to each other. A lot of the time I couldn't hear what was being said and I had no one-on-one time with any support services.

I didn't do well at all in third grade considering I was on the honor roll in grade 2 all year. Stupid idiots took away the one thing that was helping me and I nearly failed. I just wonder if they passed me out of pity.
 
Dixie said:
I almost failed third grade because my FM system was taken away and the multiplication tables were taught by memorization and we had to get into groups and repeat them to each other. A lot of the time I couldn't hear what was being said and I had no one-on-one time with any support services.

I didn't do well at all in third grade considering I was on the honor roll in grade 2 all year. Stupid idiots took away the one thing that was helping me and I nearly failed. I just wonder if they passed me out of pity.
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Deaf students in a mainstream classroom always fall behind at the critical transition stages. Each transition compounds upon the previous one. That is why we see early gains level out and then fall behind hearing peers in mainstream students.
 
I can't remember a single thing about third grade. Maybe the teacher's name.

Only 30 kids in that study? I don't think that is enough to be conclusive.
 
What I hate about every one of these "studies" is the slant.

Do they EVER slant them to the idea of learning how best to teach children and what best to teach them at what time?

Hell no.

The slant is ALWAYS to "Bring those kids into line who aren't learning what we think they should learn! When we think they should learn it! And the way we think they should learn it!"
 
jillio said:
Deaf students in a mainstream classroom always fall behind at the critical transition stages. Each transition compounds upon the previous one. That is why we see early gains level out and then fall behind hearing peers in mainstream students.
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If nothing else I should have at least gotten one-on-one support services to help me in areas I was falling behind in. Particularly, mathematics. Of course my parents forced me to 'learn' by pinning me down and I had to recite the multiplication tables to them before they let me up. I eventually got so scared that the best I could do was draw a blank. I was later called 'slow' by them. I wasn't as smart, and I was embarrassed out in public often when they would tell people I didn't know my multiplication tables. After that my parents would keep me in remedial math classes hoping it would 'help'.

Later when I was in college and being tutored one on one out side of class the teacher just looked at me and said - "You know your algebra, you know your rules, you've just completely missed the basics and I don't know how that happened." I just said "I don't know either, but it's a long story."

I remember begging my parents to get me a tutor during junior high and they said no because they didn't want to waste their money on a lost cause. I guess by that point to them I was 'unteachable'.

It's just hard knowing that a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and everything else just compounded and the situation wasn't helped, it was just covered up for the longest time. As an adult, I can see where I will be struggling with this for the rest of my life.
 
Dixie said:
If nothing else I should have at least gotten one-on-one support services to help me in areas I was falling behind in. Particularly, mathematics. Of course my parents forced me to 'learn' by pinning me down and I had to recite the multiplication tables to them before they let me up. I eventually got so scared that the best I could do was draw a blank. I was later called 'slow' by them. I wasn't as smart, and I was embarrassed out in public often when they would tell people I didn't know my multiplication tables. After that my parents would keep me in remedial math classes hoping it would 'help'.

Later when I was in college and being tutored one on one out side of class the teacher just looked at me and said - "You know your algebra, you know your rules, you've just completely missed the basics and I don't know how that happened." I just said "I don't know either, but it's a long story."

I remember begging my parents to get me a tutor during junior high and they said no because they didn't want to waste their money on a lost cause. I guess by that point to them I was 'unteachable'.

It's just hard knowing that a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and everything else just compounded and the situation wasn't helped, it was just covered up for the longest time. As an adult, I can see where I will be struggling with this for the rest of my life.
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I don't think there is such a thing as an unteachable student.

There are just teachers who don't know how to connect with the students.

And it is going to get worse because the government is going to make the "prove you are a qualified teacher" game into such a full time job that teachers will be spending all their time learning trigonometry to teach kindergartners how to count from one to ten they won't have time to read up on the psychology of kindergartners.
 
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