Scott Signs Welfare Drug Testing Bill

jillio said:
No doubt. And remember Palin's state proposing that rape victims pay for their own rape kits in the ER? That one went over like a lead balloon too. What is it with this mindset of re-victimizing the victims?
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We all know Palin is a ditz. :laugh2:
 
Babyblue said:
The two can be merged then. :)


I personally see a huge problem with this bill. It will also be more costly than the welfare itself is. Since the children will be removed from homes and placed in the ward of the state and Parents will be put in Rehab, counseling, etc. Rick Scott thinks this will save money. It will cost MORE!

The children are the ones that will starve/suffer the most.
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That's another problem with this law. What do we do with the children of the parents who test positive? What a freakin' mess this is going to be!
 
Oceanbreeze said:
That's another problem with this law. What do we do with the children of the parents who test positive? What a freakin' mess this is going to be!
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No doubt. Since the Child protection services are already overworked and have more cases they can handle. So more the merrier, I reckon!!
 
Oceanbreeze said:
...Also, what about recipients who may be taking opiates legally for pain? That will undoubtedly show up in a test. ADHD sufferers needing meds to help them focus? Drugs like ritalin are considered a controlled substance. Are there any provisions in this bill to prevent people from having their benefits cut unfairly?
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I don't know about this program specifically but in the military and at many workplaces, if the person being tested has a prescription for the drug and presents it and has it recorded prior to testing, then that person is covered for that substance.
 
Reba said:
I don't know about this program specifically but in the military and at many workplaces, if the person being tested has a prescription for the drug and presents it and has it recorded prior to testing, then that person is covered for that substance.
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You would need to verify you have a prescription for that drug. Before you take a drug test they will ask you what kind of drugs or medication you take. If you have a Rx or Doctor verification you are fine.
 
I was experience welfare free Canada is very free lucky lots of prescribe reason lots of my medication I am serious risk I have 20% percent I am puzzled it!
 
Reba said:
I don't know about this program specifically but in the military and at many workplaces, if the person being tested has a prescription for the drug and presents it and has it recorded prior to testing, then that person is covered for that substance.
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I already test on medication prescption I tell you!

dns and blood match on correct to

I think so forget it missing medication,

Rated on depend your blood!
 
What a waste of tax paying dollars. It's enough that we're giving them food stamps, but to add more costs into drug testing? How many will fail versus those who will pass?

So those that passed the test, we just wasted the money on them. I suspect that those that failed the test will be far few and in between. So we're wasting money on honest people.

If we're gonna drug test them, keep them rare to keep the cost down. If a case manager *suspects* that the client is using drugs, then by all means have them tested.

In the last 40 years, the fight against drugs have failed. We've wasted trillions of dollars on a losing battle.

The best way to combat drug dealers and the violence that associates with it? Legalize it. It'll put the drug dealers out of business and the violence with it. Problem solved.

If someone wants to be an idiot to kill themselves on drugs, let them. Nobody can stop someone from being an idiot anyway if they are that determined to kill themselves on drugs.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
What a waste of tax paying dollars. It's enough that we're giving them food stamps, but to add more costs into drug testing? How many will fail versus those who will pass?

So those that passed the test, we just wasted the money on them. I suspect that those that failed the test will be far few and in between. So we're wasting money on honest people.

If we're gonna drug test them, keep them rare to keep the cost down. If a case manager *suspects* that the client is using drugs, then by all means have them tested.

In the last 40 years, the fight against drugs have failed. We've wasted trillions of dollars on a losing battle.

The best way to combat drug dealers and the violence that associates with it? Legalize it. It'll put the drug dealers out of business and the violence with it. Problem solved.

If someone wants to be an idiot to kill themselves on drugs, let them. Nobody can stop someone from being an idiot anyway if they are that determined to kill themselves on drugs.

Yiz
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The drug testing only applies to "new" applicants...and the applicant has to pay the testing fee....if they pass, the fee will be reimbursed....if they fail...(thinking they can "beat the system")...then the state keeps the $$.....and are denied any service for 1 year....

There are so many, many welfare cheaters everywhere...they know how to work the system...I'm pretty sure that the "new" applicants have seen first-hand how the "old applicants" have gotten by with welfare fraud...so of course, they think it's "easy $$"....

I'm curious to see how Scott's bill will come about...see if there are more or lesser "new applicants" applying due to this law.
 
VamPyroX said:
ADHD drugs are not "drugs" that they are really testing for. It's pretty much the same kind of drug test that they have new employee hires do.

I understand that it might be seen as a waste of time, but on a long run... it will help crack down on those drug addicts who are taking government money.

I've seen people who get SSI/SSDI or any other benefits... while spending it on drugs when they can make better use of their time and money on things that will really benefit them.

It's like those homeless people. If they're going to spend the money I give them on beer and weed, then I wouldn't give them money at all.

What's important in life? It's having food and a place to live. If you can't get a place to live, then at least get some food... don't waste it on drugs and alcohol.
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Actually, drugs like Ritalin show up on tox screens as amphetamines. If the person being tested does not have an Rx for the drug, and it is showing in their system, it would count as a dirty screen. I have known parents to take their children's ADHD meds, and also to sell those meds to others. It certainly is not unheard of.

Around here, abuse of Rx opiate type painkillers is a huge problem. These tests also check for the presence of opiates. If you have an Rx from the doctor, then no matter that it shows in your urine. However, you don't have an Rx, then you have just been caught with a dirty urine.

These tactics, however, do not get around the person who has an Rx, but is taking several times the recommended dosage, and supplementing their prescription with meds bought in the street. This type of addict is much more prevalent than the down and out, living under the bridge and drawing assistance addict that people seem to think of.
 
how can people applying for welfare AFFORD to pay for drug testing?!?! Shouldn't the government be the one to pick up the tab?
 
rockin'robin said:
The drug testing only applies to "new" applicants...and the applicant has to pay the testing fee....if they pass, the fee will be reimbursed....if they fail...(thinking they can "beat the system")...then the state keeps the $$.....and are denied any service for 1 year....

There are so many, many welfare cheaters everywhere...they know how to work the system...I'm pretty sure that the "new" applicants have seen first-hand how the "old applicants" have gotten by with welfare fraud...so of course, they think it's "easy $$"....

I'm curious to see how Scott's bill will come about...see if there are more or lesser "new applicants" applying due to this law.
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I am also curious seeing how this will work out. I do want to see the welfare cheaters out. But I just don't see this is the way since children will be affected. I wonder if he can develope a program if a parent is denied that they can go to a soup kitchen or pantry to get food.
 
I was experience past ritain is very ADHD I experience history my bio!
 
Was at the grocery store yesterday behind this lady who had 2 shopping carts full of food. It all got scanned and bagged, and she whips out her Food Stamp debit card and tries to pay for it. It gets denied 3 different times. Her son then says, "Hey mom, didn't you read the letter in the mail. You lost all of the money due to problems and are not allowed to reapply for 5 years." Talk about embarrassment for her. She commented that she would never be able to get them again as she would fail the testing. Kinda not the conversation to be having while in line at the grocery store. She had 5 children ranging in ages from maybe 12 down to 18 months. Hubby is in prison for 15 years for fraud.
 
I think in the state of Florida you can only be on food stamps for a certain time frame. It is a temporary fund. I think it is two years limit... then have to wait a year to reapply. Not sure but I think I saw that somewhere before.
 
netrox said:
how can people applying for welfare AFFORD to pay for drug testing?!?! Shouldn't the government be the one to pick up the tab?
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Yeah, that is the irony of the bill. Re-victimizing the victim.:roll:
 
government allow on medication legal strict to my medication is very authority! that is why reason government is very allow!! my medication! that is why reason!!!
 
rockin'robin said:
The drug testing only applies to "new" applicants...and the applicant has to pay the testing fee....if they pass, the fee will be reimbursed....if they fail...(thinking they can "beat the system")...then the state keeps the $$.....and are denied any service for 1 year....

There are so many, many welfare cheaters everywhere...they know how to work the system...I'm pretty sure that the "new" applicants have seen first-hand how the "old applicants" have gotten by with welfare fraud...so of course, they think it's "easy $$"....

I'm curious to see how Scott's bill will come about...see if there are more or lesser "new applicants" applying due to this law.
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I didn't see where they get reimbursed. However, if that IS true....

Then the success of the law relies on three things:

1) Less applicants = money saved must be greater than money spent on drug tests for those who did pass.
2) The number of people who do not pass the test must be greater the number of people who DO pass the test. This would mean that the cost of drug test would be mostly covered by the drug users who think they can beat the system. They probably would overcharge the cost of the drug test to cover those who do pass.
3) People would not smart enough to try to beat the system by giving them fake pee. If we made people watch them pee to make sure they are really peeing, everyone would get upset.

I can see #1 happening. 35 bucks for one less applicant (who is a drug user). Sounds like a good deal to me!
#2 I don't see that happening. Sure, we will have a few idiots who think they can beat the system but will be a very small percentage.
#3 I don't see that happening. I think people will find ways to give people pee from another time or another person. Not sure how often.

Also, I am assuming the drug tests take account of medication, food, and so on. Perhaps add on an age restriction? Only 16 and older?
 
Over the summer, the public schools here will be serving breakfast and lunch for free/reduced price to children who qualify.

I fail to understand how depriving kids of nutrients resulting in lower cognitive ability helps anyone.
 
sallylou said:
Over the summer, the public schools here will be serving breakfast and lunch for free/reduced price to children who qualify.

I fail to understand how depriving kids of nutrients resulting in lower cognitive ability helps anyone.
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And I agree. The schools here will be doing same.
 
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