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rolling7 said:
WHAT!!! So you don't think he was aware of the rules of etiquette that one does not disrespect the Oval Office? After all it is called the OVAL OFFICE, not the oral office!
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:laugh2: :laugh2:....that's a good one!
 
rolling7 said:
WHAT!!! So you don't think he was aware of the rules of etiquette that one does not disrespect the Oval Office? After all it is called the OVAL OFFICE, not the oral office!
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I don't think we are referring to etiquette when a married man has an affair. So, are you saying if he had engaged in this behavior any where but the Oval Office it would have been much more acceptable? Get real. An affair is an affair, no matter where it occurs. It is not a matter of etiquette.

Seating someone in the wrong place at a state dinner would be a breach of etiquette. Having an extramartial affair is called adultery.

You really need to learn to make fine distinctions.
 
deafskeptic said:
So would you support the firing of any CEO that did a similar thing? It's not the same as the White House but not everyone gets to be a CEO of a major corporation like GE.
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:eek3: You mean specifically making it grounds for firing if an employee has sexual relationships outside their marriages? Or making any breach of contract or law a firing offense, whether it be defaulting on a loan or speeding or what have you? Either way, how could companies possibly monitor such personal behavior?
 
GrendelQ said:
:eek3: You mean specifically making it grounds for firing if an employee has sexual relationships outside their marriages? Or making any breach of contract or law a firing offense, whether it be defaulting on a loan or speeding or what have you? Either way, how could companies possibly monitor such personal behavior?
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I think that was the point Deafskeptic was making. It is another poster that proposing penalties for personal behavior choices.
 
jillio said:
I don't think we are referring to etiquette when a married man has an affair. So, are you saying if he had engaged in this behavior any where but the Oval Office it would have been much more acceptable? Get real. An affair is an affair, no matter where it occurs. It is not a matter of etiquette.

Seating someone in the wrong place at a state dinner would be a breach of etiquette. Having an extramartial affair is called adultery.

You really need to learn to make fine distinctions.
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I could walk into your office and sit on the top of your desk. I would be disrespecting you, of course.
But if I walked into the Oval Office and sat of The Desk that would be a disrespect of the Office itself. The Office holds a special place in the hearts and minds of all Americans (excepting yours).
 
rolling7 said:
I could walk into your office and sit on the top of your desk. I would be disrespecting you, of course.
But if I walked into the Oval Office and sat of The Desk that would be a disrespect of the Office itself. The Office holds a special place in the hearts and minds of all Americans (excepting yours).
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Nope, you would never make it past the screening procedure.

Why would someone sitting on my desk be disrespectful? I wouldn't take it that way at all.

And again, you are trying to bring issues in that are moot.
 
Employment at will. The only protected classes are race, ethnic origin and religion. Employers cannot discriminate on these bases. Gender is only a quasi-suspect class (subhuman?) and is subject to "intermediate scrutiny."
 
GrendelQ said:
:eek3: You mean specifically making it grounds for firing if an employee has sexual relationships outside their marriages? Or making any breach of contract or law a firing offense, whether it be defaulting on a loan or speeding or what have you? Either way, how could companies possibly monitor such personal behavior?
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People get found out.

I would have supported the impeachment of Clinton had he engaged in criminal behavior. I can think of one president who had to resign. His name is Richard Nixon. If I'm not mistaken, the Watergate scandal was criminal in nature.

You seem to be equating criminal behavior with adultery. I would not consider defaulting on a loan a firing offense unless you're in the banking or mortage business. Dunno what their stance is on this.

As for breach of laws, being arrested for drunken driving isn't always a firing offense. I had a co-worker who had to go to jail on the weekends for drunken driving many years ago. On the other hand stealing from your own company is grounds for firing people.
 
sallylou said:
Employment at will. The only protected classes are race, ethnic origin and religion. Employers cannot discriminate on these bases. Gender is only a quasi-suspect class (subhuman?) and is subject to "intermediate scrutiny."
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Yep..
 
Hi DS, I'm thinking adultery is more like breach of contract. I didn't think you were proposing firing CEOs for affairs :) -- just expanding on how that would play out.

deafskeptic said:
People get found out.

I would have supported the impeachment of Clinton had he engaged in criminal behavior. I can think of one president who had to resign. His name is Richard Nixon. If I'm not mistaken, the Watergate scandal was criminal in nature.

You seem to be equating criminal behavior with adultery. I would not consider defaulting on a loan a firing offense unless you're in the banking or mortage business. Dunno what their stance is on this.

As for breach of laws, being arrested for drunken driving isn't always a firing offense. I had a co-worker who had to go to jail on the weekends for drunken driving many years ago. On the other hand stealing from your own company is grounds for firing people.
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Adultery is not breach of contract because there is no contract. Being married is a legal status. I can't tell you how many women have told me that they want a larger share of property based on adultery and they are angry when they find out they may be able to get about an extra ten percent. Divorce is basically nonfault in most jurisdictions.
 
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