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I'm not commenting on the argument of this thread. I'm just commenting on the ridiculous predictability of your incessant groupie behavior.

I have made my position on this matter clear many times. The fact is, the method that is easiest for the child should be used, but that shouldn't come at the expense of education. In many cases, this is ASL. Unfortunately, at many schools where ASL is the only method of communication, the quality of education is abysmal. You both know this. We all know it. The good thing is that we also know it is not the language itself that is the culprit.

Oracle, however, is commenting on the issue of availability and opportunity. Not on the merits of either approach. You are are both trying to spin the argument into something else. As usual....
 
TheOracle said:
I do believe in equal access! I think we all do. I was asking what parents should do if they don't have opportunities? It is very easy for the OP to write in her paper, "This is what a parent should do". But if the OP doesn't address the fact that it's impossible for many, then the OP doesn't really accomplish much in her paper. If I were her professor and she turned it in like that, I'd give nothing better than a B. My professors would do the same. That's also why I asked if she was talking about actual methodology or oralism v. ASL. She said she thought that bilingual programs were the best idea. I don't know if you agree or disagree, but it sounded like you thought deaf/asl only was better. I was wondering what parents are supposed to do with limited choices? What if they can't move?



I didn't move right away. I didn't have the choice. I moved later. But I would not have been able to move if I were still working at MHS. It would have been impossible to drive one hour in one direction and then head north for another hour and make it to school by 7:15. :) Also, Judah's school is made possible by a generous donor and a rabbi who is very fond of him. Does it look like I have an extra 14k around here?



Not trying to trainwreck anything, amigo! My point is that this goal isn't realized --- so what about parents who live in the middle of Iowa? Cleveland? Utah? or have unfortunate family situations? I expected everyone to say, "ASL! ASL! MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ASL!" and I heard none of that...just..."Oh, well, sorry it's so inconvenient!"
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I just see a bunch of excuses, I'm sorry.
 
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To everybody arguing in this thread.

Let's get back to the question the OP was asking...
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I have made my position on this matter clear many times. The fact is, the method that is easiest for the child should be used, but that shouldn't come at the expense of education. In many cases, this is ASL. Unfortunately, at many schools where ASL is the only method of communication, the quality of education is abysmal. You both know this. We all know it. The good thing is that we also know it is not the language itself that is the culprit.
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Can you please explain to me why the state of Indiana is currently suppressing the Superintendent of ISD's FOIA rights to gather information to compare the deaf students in 1,500 schools throughout the state vs ISD to see how many students pass the state exams?

The last time he was able to do that he was able to prove ISD beat the mainstream out on amount of students percent wise passing the state test.

Just curious - did you also research that?
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I'm not commenting on the argument of this thread. I'm just commenting on the ridiculous predictability your incessant groupie behavior.

I have made my position on this matter clear many times. The fact is, the method that is easiest for the child should be used, but that shouldn't come at the expense of education. In many cases, this is ASL. Unfortunately, at many schools where ASL is the only method of communication, the quality of education is abysmal. You both know this. We all know it. The good thing is that we also know it is not the language itself that is the culprit.

Oracle, however, is commenting on the issue of availability and opportunity. Not on the merits of either approach. You are are both trying to spin the argument into something else. As usual....
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how confusing.... you say you are not commenting on this... and yet you just did in your 2nd paragraph :dizzy:

moving on - your post just further proved PFH's post #35. Since many mainstream schools' quality of education are abysmal as well... there you go!

The issue of availability and opportunity is always an issue for parents - regardless of their children's hearing status. Now - for deaf schools like the one in California, Indiana, and Maryland.... apparently ASL-approach worked in there.

Again... this thread is about which method works better for deaf students. simple as that. no spinning in here. on the issue of availability and opportunity... feel free to create a thread about it.
 
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Can you please explain to me why the state of Indiana is currently suppressing the Superintendent of ISD's FOIA rights to gather information to compare the deaf students in 1,500 schools throughout the state vs ISD to see how many students pass the state exams?

The last time he was able to do that he was able to prove ISD beat the mainstream out on amount of students percent wise passing the state test.

Just curious - did you also research that?
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Why would I have researched that?

Sources?
 
lanapoo said:
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To everybody arguing in this thread.

Let's get back to the question the OP was asking...
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If it's ASL v. Oral then the answer is ASL.
If it's what type of school is the best, well, we probably have different opinions on that.
She didn't really have a well developed thesis/topic yet. :) It was a little scattered...which is why I said she should have more pointed questions...but yeah. If the OP comes back in here, then this conversation would be productive. *shrug*

I agree that mainstream is rarely the best option, but like I said, some parents don't have many options, so imho if she is going to write a research paper on this, she has to focus on WHY xyz method is the best and then aim to address the problems it addresses and the benefits. I can say, "Oh, this method of ESL works the best" but if I don't give some science behind it, then it does nothing for the paper. There's no research. I know the school I was in last year was NOT the best option for 90 per cent of my students, but that was their ONLY option. Because I know the shortcomings, I was better prepared to teach.
 
Jiro said:
oh this is gold....
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And I have yet to see any sources.

And I'm not sure why he's even bringing it up in the first place.

Edit: I'm not a "groupie" either. Just a bystander with similar opinions.
 
Well, hey, some of us college edjumacated are used to things like "thesis topics", "research papers" and "sources".

:P
 
I already cited the source. Alex can drive his butt 62 miles to see it firsthand. If he actually socialized with key deaf people in Indiana he wouldn't have even thought about asking for sources.

Plus lanapoo jumping in. Comical.
 
posts from hell said:
I already cited the source. Alex can drive his butt 62 miles to see it firsthand. If he actually socialized with key deaf people in Indiana he wouldn't have even thought about asking for sources.

Plus lanapoo jumping in. Comical.
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nah, I just meant that if the girl is writing a research paper, she's going to need something more than a poll to back it up. so jiro saying that my questions are not applicable shows that jiro's own research methodology may be lacking...or nonexistent.

anywho, time to go be domestic and head to the quilt shop. woohoo!
 
Jiro said:
how confusing.... you say you are not commenting on this... and yet you just did in your 2nd paragraph :dizzy:
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In reference to my first post. Get a clue.

moving on - your post just further proved PFH's post #35. Since many mainstream schools' quality of education are abysmal as well... there you go!
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And your point is?

The issue of availability and opportunity is always an issue for parents - regardless of their children's hearing status. Now - for deaf schools like the one in California, Indiana, and Maryland.... apparently ASL-approach worked in there.
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And how many schools where it doesn't work? I think the number is going to be a lot more than three. But again, the reason has little to do with ASL.

BTW, at CSDF, the percentage of students who pass the high school exit exam is 50%. Lots of room for improvement.
 
TheOracle said:
nah, I just meant that if the girl is writing a research paper, she's going to need something more than a poll to back it up. so jiro saying that my questions are not applicable shows that jiro's own research methodology may be lacking...or nonexistent.

anywho, time to go be domestic and head to the quilt shop. woohoo!
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HUH? I replied about Alex's request, and you come out with that? I don't want what you're smoking.
 
posts from hell said:
HUH? I replied about Alex's request, and you come out with that? I don't want what you're smoking.
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but I do... so that I can try to understand how gnat's mind works in order to get the message across :dunno2:
 
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