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[TheOracle]

one should learn a thing or two about deaf issue by actually getting involved in one.

One shouldn't make snap judgments about other people's family situations.

 

[Jiro]

One shouldn't make snap judgments about other people's family situations.

where?

 

[TheOracle]

PFH sounded judgmental. That's it. I totally believe in ASL. F oral ed imho. But that doesn't mean that all parents have the resources to send their kids to DEAF SCHOOLS.

I was asked this very question at FRCC (Front Range Community College) when I was working with students there -"but deaf school so far away, what do i do?!!" with a pity-ful look...I replied "One should re-evaluate how important the education is for their child and act accordingly."

I am very very very hesitant to make judgments about other people's parenting when I don't know their situations. That's all.

 

[Jiro]

PFH sounded judgmental. That's it. I totally believe in ASL. F oral ed imho. But that doesn't mean that all parents have the resources to send their kids to DEAF SCHOOLS.



I am very very very hesitant to make judgments about other people's parenting when I don't know their situations. That's all.

I don't see anything judgmental about it. He simply asked - which one is more important? a child's education or parents' "convenience"? My parents sacrificed their "convenience" to ensure that my brother and I get the best possible education with accommodation.

You're making it this very personal because of your trivial issue with him. This thread is not a place or time for you to quibble about it.

This thread is not about parents having no choice because deaf schools are far away. OP was asking a specific question - "Which form of teaching more preferable? Using sign language or oralism?"

Grendel made a very good input in here about her deaf daughter and I respect her choice and I support her choice. And you? I have no idea what are you talking about in here. It holds NO relevance to this thread. It reeks of your personal agenda with PFH. Cease your quibbling and get over it.

 

[TheOracle]

I don't see anything judgmental about it. He simply asked - which one is more important? a child's education or parents' "convenience"? My parents sacrificed their "convenience" to ensure that my brother and I get the best possible education with accommodation.

You're making it this very personal because of your trivial issue with him. This thread is not a place or time for you to quibble about it.

This thread is not about parents having no choice because deaf schools are far away. OP was asking a specific question - "Which form of teaching more preferable? Using sign language or oralism?"

Grendel made a very good input in here about her deaf daughter and I respect her choice and I support her choice. And you? I have no idea what are you talking about in here. It holds NO relevance to this thread. It reeks of your personal agenda with PFH. Cease your quibbling and get over it.

I didn't say convenience. I said choices. I drove my son 1 hr in the morning to a great school for several months. Was that convenient? Of course not! Now we live down the street. I'm LUCKY I had that option.

There is no quibble with PFH. I don't know why you are trying to make it sound like an ad hominem attack.

The OP asked about teaching methods. I inferred that PFH was saying that anything that isn't a Deaf school like his is second rate. If he meant otherwise, he can say so. I also inferred that he thought all parents had appropriate choices when it came to education. I disagree. I know that to not be a fact. I have worked in metro schools for the last three years.

Perhaps you should cease your inflammatory behavior.

 

[Jiro]

I didn't say convenience. I said choices. I drove my son 1 hr in the morning to a great school for several months. Was that convenient? Of course not! Now we live down the street. I'm LUCKY I had that option.

different words, same shit.

There is no quibble with PFH. I don't know why you are trying to make it sound like an ad hominem attack. The OP asked about teaching methods. I inferred that PFH was saying that anything that isn't a Deaf school like his is second rate. If he meant otherwise, he can say so. I also inferred that he thought all parents had appropriate choices when it came to education. I disagree. I know that to not be a fact. I have worked in metro schools for the last three years.

funny... you're saying I'm trying to make it sound like something else... and yet you are trying to make PFH's post sounds like something else since I don't see anywhere where he said anything that isn't a deaf school is second rate. Please do feel free to point it out for me. I'm not interested in your interpretation of his post. I want the ACTUAL post that he said so.

again.... this thread is about what's the best teaching method for deaf students. PFH and I do know a thing or two about it because we know what worked and what didn't work since we had a firsthand experience all our life.... same for majority of ADers in here. Many of us said oralism fails.

and you? what do you know about it? Do not confuse your ESL agenda with ASL

 

[TheOracle]

Get over yourself. I don't believe in oral only ed. I never did. I do not think that parents who can't send their children to deaf school is a matter of "convenience". To be inconvenienced is different than to not have that option. Twist it how you want to, Jiro. That IS your thing around here. As far as my "ESL" agenda...you know not what ye speak of, kid.

Question: How many children do you have? Yeah. Exactly.

 

[TheOracle]

Since the OP wanted to know opinions on what was appropriate for deaf students, I asked what should be done if a quality deaf school wasn't an option. I have yet to see anyone answer that question.

 

[Jiro]

Since the OP wanted to know opinions on what was appropriate for deaf students, I asked what should be done if a quality deaf school wasn't an option. I have yet to see anyone answer that question.

feel free to make a new thread about it.

 

[posts from hell]

The OP asked about teaching methods. I inferred that PFH was saying that anything that isn't a Deaf school like his is second rate. If he meant otherwise, he can say so. I also inferred that he thought all parents had appropriate choices when it came to education. I disagree. I know that to not be a fact. I have worked in metro schools for the last three years.

You're right, It is not an option. It is a must. Why would you even think of sending your kid (of any gender, sexual preferences, color, creed, religion, mind set, or just about anything!) to a second rate school?

Curious where I have said anything about MY school?
If anything, I said there were schools better than the one I went to. The basis of my standpoint in this thread is just to give children equal access to other children and teachers. How much easier can it get? You even agree with me, then turn around and try to argue!

Also where did I once make judgments towards parents in this very thread? Bordering on a ton of assumption there, my friend.

You even validated my point: You evaluated the situation you were in, and decided that it was not good for your child, so you moved. It is tough, I am not saying it is easy. But I don't see any excuse for giving any kid second rate education and being just giddy about it.

Too bad society is not like that. It is terribly sad. You, me, Jiro's parents, Grendel all share a common goal, why try to trainwreck it?

 

[Jiro]

Get over yourself. I don't believe in oral only ed. I never did. I do not think that parents who can't send their children to deaf school is a matter of "convenience". To be inconvenienced is different than to not have that option. Twist it how you want to, Jiro. That IS your thing around here. As far as my "ESL" agenda...you know not what ye speak of, kid.

Again - this thread is not about deaf schools or parents' choice or convenience. It's about... ""Which form of teaching more preferable? Using sign language or oralism?"

I believe that's the question best suited for deaf people to answer, don't you agree?

Question: How many children do you have? Yeah. Exactly.

2 - my dog and my bike. but neither is pertinent to this thread. neither is your child too.

Question: Do you have a deaf child? Do you teach deaf students? Exactly.

 

[TWA]

Lol, First PFH runs his mouth and gets beat back, then his little sidekick Jiro has to run in and defend his honor. The funny thing is that neither of you have honor.

How many times have we seen this?

What a bunch of jokers.

 

[Jiro]

Lol, First PFH runs his mouth and gets beat back, then his little sidekick Jiro has to run in and defend his honor. The funny thing is that neither of you have honor.

How many times have we seen this?

What a bunch of jokers.

so Alex - since you are deaf... what says you for "which form of teaching more preferable? Using sign language or oralism?"

 

[posts from hell]

Lol, First PFH runs his mouth and gets beat back, then his little sidekick Jiro has to run in and defend his honor. The funny thing is that neither of you have honor.

How many times have we seen this?

What a bunch of jokers.

Oh my. Mr. Thesis in the room. Just curious - is this also saying you're perfectly fine with an oral only approach?

 

[Jiro]

Oh my. Mr. Thesis in the room. Just curious - is this also saying you're perfectly fine with an oral only approach?

my crystal ball says somebody would yak that you are putting words in his mouth

 

[Bottesini]

Shel90, the only qualified TOD around this afternoon, advocates for a combination of the two.

 

[TheOracle]

Curious where I have said anything about MY school?
If anything, I said there were schools better than the one I went to. The basis of my standpoint in this thread is just to give children equal access to other children and teachers. How much easier can it get? You even agree with me, then turn around and try to argue!

I do believe in equal access! I think we all do. I was asking what parents should do if they don't have opportunities? It is very easy for the OP to write in her paper, "This is what a parent should do". But if the OP doesn't address the fact that it's impossible for many, then the OP doesn't really accomplish much in her paper. If I were her professor and she turned it in like that, I'd give nothing better than a B. My professors would do the same. That's also why I asked if she was talking about actual methodology or oralism v. ASL. She said she thought that bilingual programs were the best idea. I don't know if you agree or disagree, but it sounded like you thought deaf/asl only was better. I was wondering what parents are supposed to do with limited choices? What if they can't move?

Also where did I once make judgments towards parents in this very thread? Bordering on a ton of assumption there, my friend.

You even validated my point: You evaluated the situation you were in, and decided that it was not good for your child, so you moved. It is tough, I am not saying it is easy. But I don't see any excuse for giving any kid second rate education and being just giddy about it.

I didn't move right away. I didn't have the choice. I moved later. But I would not have been able to move if I were still working at MHS. It would have been impossible to drive one hour in one direction and then head north for another hour and make it to school by 7:15. Also, Judah's school is made possible by a generous donor and a rabbi who is very fond of him. Does it look like I have an extra 14k around here?

Too bad society is not like that. It is terribly sad. You, me, Jiro's parents, Grendel all share a common goal, why try to trainwreck it?

Not trying to trainwreck anything, amigo! My point is that this goal isn't realized --- so what about parents who live in the middle of Iowa? Cleveland? Utah? or have unfortunate family situations? I expected everyone to say, "ASL! ASL! MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ASL!" and I heard none of that...just..."Oh, well, sorry it's so inconvenient!"



Remember when we were talking on IM like a month ago and I said, hey, you know what's odd? In a different time and place you and I would have been sent to the same "institution". You for being deaf and me for being epileptic.

I'm a linguophobe. I believe in language. I'm pretty clear on that...so...I'm not a parent of a deaf child nor am I deaf, but as an educator and one who researches, I'm going to aim to address the parents who fall in the "don't have those options" category, because I believe that language can and should be accessible to EVERYONE.

sincerely,
a linguist in training
a teacher
a language disorder "sufferer"
and a parent

If the OP would like some studies that show the benefits of early ASL and bilingual ed, I'm happy to send them.

 

[TheOracle]

Again - this thread is not about deaf schools or parents' choice or convenience. It's about... ""Which form of teaching more preferable? Using sign language or oralism?"

And I think we all agreed that it was a poor choice of words. And they aren't mutually exclusive. The OP even said so.

zing zang zung

 

[Jiro]

And I think we all agreed that it was a poor choice of words. And they aren't mutually exclusive. The OP even said so.

zing zang zung

Just checked the beginning of thread. It was a perfectly valid question. It was you who minced the meaning.

 

[Frisky Feline]

I prefer ASL. That's all I can say.