Obama: US Launches Military Action Against Libya

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Our Marines go wherever Israel tells them to.
 
Beowulf said:
Our Marines go wherever Israel tells them to.
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Hah. And some think the US has too much control over the IDF. If the IDF really could tell the Marines what to do, our Marines would be in Gaza. :)
 
Hey Jiro...

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

War Powers Act: President can act unilaterally to a..."national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

:dunno:
 
At first, I thought, "How could Obama get into trouble for enforcing a UN resolution?" But then I thought about it some more and realized that logic meant the President could just pick and choose which resolutions he wanted to enforce. Obviously we don't send troops everywhere just because a U.N. resolution is being ignored.

Clinton came under fire for Kosovo and was challenged, but the courts erred on the side of Clinton. So...does this mean the President and Courts overrode the Constitution? :hmm:
 
The President could invoke executive privilege. However, that term in not mentioned in the Constitution. Ach.
 
Executive Privilege. Peh. Isn't that usually invoked to keep information from Congress or Courts?
 
Yep. And the reasons for going to war. :shrugs:
 
But we can't go to war without Congressional approval. :)

He invoked the War Powers Act...yet his actions don't fall under the War Powers Act...I'm just trying to find out what ground he's standing on.
 
Hmmm...can we draft Biden to take Obama's place? I love Biden. I want him to be my dad.
 
TheOracle - excellent questions you brought up! I do agree with you that it is very gray area.
 
TheOracle said:
Hmmm...can we draft Biden to take Obama's place? I love Biden. I want him to be my dad.
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lol

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TheOracle said:
But we can't go to war without Congressional approval. :)

He invoked the War Powers Act...yet his actions don't fall under the War Powers Act...I'm just trying to find out what ground he's standing on.
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if you recall from my previous post - he has until 60 days to get Congressional authorization so he is within War Power Act.
 
Jiro said:
if you recall from my previous post - he has until 60 days to get Congressional authorization so he is within War Power Act.
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But there's no imminent threat. That's what I meant. He'll have to justify his actions by proving there was some imminent threat to the United States.

I'm having a hard time justifying this one. :/

IMHO if it gets to the point where there needs to be a ground invasion of Libya, it will be because Obama put us in that mess.
 
TheOracle said:
Weird. I thought those Marines were on ships.
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The Marines are an amphibious force. That means they "fight our country's battles in the air, on land, and sea."

Marines deploy on Navy ships but they usually TCB from the ships to amphibious craft, their aircraft, small boats, or on foot. They consider the ships to be a means to the end, not the end itself.
 
TheOracle said:
Hey Jiro...

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

War Powers Act: President can act unilaterally to a..."national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

:dunno:
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that's correct. Because of 9/11, Congress passed additional clause to War Power Act - specifically relating to 9/11... which is what you just said (bold print)

TheOracle said:
At first, I thought, "How could Obama get into trouble for enforcing a UN resolution?" But then I thought about it some more and realized that logic meant the President could just pick and choose which resolutions he wanted to enforce. Obviously we don't send troops everywhere just because a U.N. resolution is being ignored.
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How could Obama get in trouble, you asked? Simple... Political Quibbling between 2 parties :roll:

but yes - the President can choose whatever he wants. After all... he's the President and the Commander-in-Chief.

TheOracle said:
Clinton came under fire for Kosovo and was challenged, but the courts erred on the side of Clinton. So...does this mean the President and Courts overrode the Constitution? :hmm:
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no. War Power Act is actually quote broad and kinda vague. It's notoriously difficult to "settle" this over courts.

TheOracle said:
Executive Privilege. Peh. Isn't that usually invoked to keep information from Congress or Courts?
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yep. Bush Administration was notorious for that but I blame Dick Cheney for that. I like Bush but Cheney & his staff pretty much tarnished Bush and everybody else. He's truly a very evil, unethical, immoral person...

funny thing is... during election, Obama preached about transparency. and now... Obama is following same pattern as Bush Administration... he's exercising his Executive privilege to keep more stuff classified. hence my commonly-used phrase... "Don't be naive" :lol:
 
lol oracle. good one.
 
Times change?

After studying the constitutional language governing the use of military force and the debates that the Framers had on the issue, Joe Biden determined that the Founding Fathers had vested the power to authorize even the limited use of military force in the Congress not the president---unless it was necessary for the president to act swiftly to repel an attack on the United States or to rescue U.S. citizens.

Biden derided the opposite position—that the president could use military force without congressional authorization—as a “monarchist” view of presidential power.

That was in 1998, however, when Biden was in the Senate.
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Joe Biden:
 
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