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Steinhauer said:
The Navy promised to send my brother to school if ... and only if, he served on a Nuclear Sub for 8 years.

The recruiter told him a far .... far different story.

Bait and Switch .... Uncle Sam does it.
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um.... it's nobody's fault except himself. He's the one who signed up for it. He's the one who makes a decision for himself.

Bait and Switch? don't be naive.
 
Jiro said:
um.... it's nobody's fault except himself. He's the one who signed up for it. He's the one who makes a decision for himself.

Bait and Switch? don't be naive.
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Not being naive at all. But 19 year olds can be. I know you are probably thinking I am "picking" on you. Not my intention at all. Maybe you should call me on VRS sometime. I know you are passionate about protecting the innocent, but there is a massive political mind game going on every time our country gets involved in someone else's business. It backfires everytime.

We trained Al Quada. Look who we are fighting now. Its a pattern that needs to stop.
 
Steinhauer said:
Not being naive at all. But 19 year olds can be. I know you are probably thinking I am "picking" on you. Not my intention at all. Maybe you should call me on VRS sometime. I know you are passionate about protecting the innocent, but there is a massive political mind game going on every time our country gets involved in someone else's business. It backfires everytime.

We trained Al Quada. Look who we are fighting now. Its a pattern that needs to stop.
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at age 19 years old, I know better enough not to sign any contract without reading and understanding it. c'mon... 19 years old... a grown-up age.
 
Jiro said:
ROTC. or you sign up in exchange of 100% tuition coverage. My friends are in medical schools and everything is paid for by Air Force. One has to serve 7 years and other only 3 years.
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OK; ROTC and GI Bill are two separate programs. ROTC is education before you serve your obligation, and GI Bill is during and after your service. There are also military academies that include obligatory service.
 
Steinhauer said:
The Navy promised to send my brother to school if ... and only if, he served on a Nuclear Sub for 8 years.

The recruiter told him a far .... far different story.

Bait and Switch .... Uncle Sam does it.
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It's not really bait and switch. Even back in the 70's when TCS and I enlisted we knew that "promises" weren't binding because the "needs of the Navy" clauses. Recruiters don't have the authority to make promises.

Are you saying that your brother was promised but didn't get nuke power school?
 
Reba said:
OK; ROTC and GI Bill are two separate programs. ROTC is education before you serve your obligation, and GI Bill is during and after your service. There are also military academies that include obligatory service.
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yes. my friend did both. He joined army after high school... got the GI Bill to graduate from college... then went to medical school... signed up with Air Force... and it's picking up the tab.
 
Reba said:
It's not really bait and switch. Even back in the 70's when TCS and I enlisted we knew that "promises" weren't binding because the "needs of the Navy" clauses. Recruiters don't have the authority to make promises.

Are you saying that your brother was promised but didn't get nuke power school?
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he didn't want to be a nuclear engineer. He wanted to be a photojournalist. He was promised that.

While in boot camp he was told he scored too high on his ASVAB.
 
Steinhauer said:
he didn't want to be a nuclear engineer. He wanted to be a photojournalist. He was promised that.

While in boot camp he was told he scored too high on his ASVAB.
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Promised? Recruiters can't promise anything.

When I first took the test at the recruiting station, I was told that I scored high enough to be eligible for any rating. (The recruiter said it was one of the highest scores he had seen but that was probably malarkey.) Then, during boot camp we took another test before we filled out our requests for school. Again, my scores made me eligible for all ratings (but I could only apply for ratings that were open to women).

So, I applied for journalist, photographer's mate, and aerographer's mate, in that order. I was told that I probably wouldn't get journalist because it was such a closed rating that hardly anyone ever got it, especially women. Surprise! I got it!

Bottom line, it's whatever the needs of the service are at that time.

Nuclear engineer is considered an el primo assignment. It's not easy but it's prestigious. The school is very long, and the payback time is also long.

So, what did your brother do? Did he accept the school?
 
Seems like everywhere I turn, people are in awe of the military. This is Alldeaf where darn few of us can serve in it. I see a lot of wannabes and I shake my head at that.
There, I vented. :P
 
Beowulf said:
Seems like everywhere I turn, people are in awe of the military. This is Alldeaf where darn few of us can serve in it. I see a lot of wannabes and I shake my head at that.
There, I vented. :P
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Feel better now? :giggle:
 
Beowulf said:
Seems like everywhere I turn, people are in awe of the military. This is Alldeaf where darn few of us can serve in it. I see a lot of wannabes and I shake my head at that.
There, I vented. :P
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There's a thread for that, peacenik! :P

(Phillips started it if you need help searching.)
 
Reba said:
It's not really bait and switch. Even back in the 70's when TCS and I enlisted we knew that "promises" weren't binding because the "needs of the Navy" clauses. Recruiters don't have the authority to make promises.

Are you saying that your brother was promised but didn't get nuke power school?
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Navy recruiter told me that after my school I could choose where I served....he said I could even choose Australia and the "every girl there looks likeOlivia Newton John and they are crazy for sailors"

:lol:
 
TXgolfer said:
Navy recruiter told me that after my school I could choose where I served....he said I could even choose Australia and the "every girl there looks likeOlivia Newton John and they are crazy for sailors"

:lol:
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:laugh2:

Before I graduated from my Navy A school, I filled out my dream sheet for my duty station. My two choices were anywhere East Coast (near my mom's family) or anywhere West Coast (near my dad and beaches). I figured those requests were general enough to be easily fulfilled. So, of course, the Navy sent me to Great Lakes, IL, right in the middle of the country not near either coast!
 
Reba said:
So, of course, the Navy sent me to Great Lakes, IL, right in the middle of the country not near either coast!
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Did you see the monument dedicated to me? I was born there. :giggle:
 
Reba said:
Promised? Recruiters can't promise anything.

When I first took the test at the recruiting station, I was told that I scored high enough to be eligible for any rating. (The recruiter said it was one of the highest scores he had seen but that was probably malarkey.) Then, during boot camp we took another test before we filled out our requests for school. Again, my scores made me eligible for all ratings (but I could only apply for ratings that were open to women).

So, I applied for journalist, photographer's mate, and aerographer's mate, in that order. I was told that I probably wouldn't get journalist because it was such a closed rating that hardly anyone ever got it, especially women. Surprise! I got it!

Bottom line, it's whatever the needs of the service are at that time.
Nuclear engineer is considered an el primo assignment. It's not easy but it's prestigious. The school is very long, and the payback time is also long.

So, what did your brother do? Did he accept the school?
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He was told that by everyone who served in the family. I remember an uncle of mine trying to explain to him that very thing (as you explained above).

He had his heart set on being a photojournalist. The recruiter told him that he would be eligible for classes right after bootcamp. While in bootcamp, he was told he had to serve eight years on a nuclear sub before he could take classes to be a photojournalist.

They didn't "technically" lie ... 8 years after boot camp is AFTER boot camp (just not right after).
 
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