accommodations question--is it appropriate...

Glenn said:
No, there is no Coordinator C. They are passing scheduling duties around various staff members. They are taking applications for a half-time position for coordinator.
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Then in that case, its ENTIRELY appropriate that an administrator is asking you these questions....

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posts from hell said:
Then in that case, its ENTIRELY appropriate that an administrator is asking you these questions....

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Since you missed it, read this part again.

I just felt that Coordinator A was asking a lot of questions that I felt he should know the answers to.

For example, if you go to the doctor because your arm hurts. You slipped and fell when hiking on a steep trail. The doctor asks you if you think it is broken or sprained. He asks you if you think it needs an x-ray. Should he use an ace bandage? A sling? A cast? Does it need ice? All this is stuff he ought to know how to answer already. Of course he will need to ask you some questions, but much of this will be known to him from his experience and training. You find yourself wondering if you are going to get competent healthcare from this doctor. Then you wonder why he was hired in the first place. Was it because he didn't know what he was doing and would always follow the lead of his boss regardless if it was good practice or not?
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Coordinator B was doing exactly what the doctor was doing in the example.

You're saying it is "entirely appropriate" for Coordinator B to ask 100 questions and only be able to provide poor services? Why is that appropriate? It is not my job to be the coordinator and tell him what to do. He couldn't do it anyway.

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Here we go again. You're just putting more doubt in your story for me.

The reason why:

You said coordinator A is not there.
You said coordinator B was forced out.

And the question says "Is it appropriate for an administrator to ask you questions?"

Since there is NO coordinator - who the hell is supposed to be responsible for the accommodations - the administrators!!!

Hence the reason I said it was entirely acceptable.

Again, to me you're looking like you're trying to pick on them - for what I don't know. You seem to be intelligent. I have high expectations from my fellow intelligent human beings - they can find ways around problems, instead of holding grudges.
 
posts from hell said:
Here we go again. You're just putting more doubt in your story for me.

The reason why:

You said coordinator A is not there.
You said coordinator B was forced out.

And the question says "Is it appropriate for an administrator to ask you questions?"

Since there is NO coordinator - who the hell is supposed to be responsible for the accommodations - the administrators!!!

Hence the reason I said it was entirely acceptable.

Again, to me you're looking like you're trying to pick on them - for what I don't know. You seem to be intelligent. I have high expectations from my fellow intelligent human beings - they can find ways around problems, instead of holding grudges.
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It's of absolutely no relevance to me what your expectations are.

I'm trying to pick on them? My question of whether it was appropriate was about trying to find out what others' experiences are with their coordinators.

How many coordinators have you had to deal with in a professional capacity in a college or university setting?

I have had experiences with several coordinators in California and Washington.

My experience with with coordinators in general is they ask "some" relevant questions, and make a determination based on what the answers are, their training and experience, and what resources are available. I never said asking some questions was inappropriate.

Coordinator A was asking a lot of questions to the point where I wondered if he was actually qualified. He'd ask things I had never heard from any coordinator ever.

As for your comment about finding ways around the problem, I tried. I'd meet with Coordinator A's supervisor. That was no help. I'd meet with the vice president of student affairs several times. Not much help there. I met with the provost too. No help there. The entire administration seems to believe there are no problems with the way they support deaf students. They seem to believe that all the problems I and several other deaf students had experienced with our accommodations were acceptable. I would have to say that my experiences as a deaf student at CWU were far and away the worst in all the schools I had ever been.

By the way, if you think my low opinion of CWU's support towards deaf students is only held by me, you'd be mistaken. There are several professionals in the deaf community who agree with me. Coordinator B, who was a nationally certified ASL interpreter with 20+ years of experience, is one of many who think CWU's program for deaf students is more appropriate for a vocational school than a 4-year university.

What would I like for CWU to do? I'd like for them to have a deaf program that offers equal access to deaf students in Washington. Equal access can mean many things. One thing it can mean is that the staff have the necessary training and experience, starting with the coordinator and including the interpreters, CART providers, TypeWell transcribers and whatever other forms of accommodations that would be most appropriate for deaf students. Equal access is not happening at CWU for deaf students because those students are assured of getting better accommodations at any 4-year school in this state and even some 2-year schools.

This is not about my "grudge" or my failure to find away around problems with my accommodations at CWU or things like that. It is about ensuring that all deaf students in Washington have the most opportunities to further their education should they decide to. It is about equality for deaf students. You'd think deaf students could chose to not go to CWU, but that limits their choices because CWU has unique programs that other schools in this state don't have.
 
Glenn said:
It's of absolutely no relevance to me what your expectations are.

I'm trying to pick on them? My question of whether it was appropriate was about trying to find out what others' experiences are with their coordinators.
Umm.. Yeah. The reason I say this - I've encountered idiots in EVERY SETTING in life. That cashier at the store down the street, my bank teller, teachers, interpreters, the barista at the local coffee shops, and many more. However I amazingly !somehow! get them to do what I want or need. That is the "finding ways around" I was talking about. It's about self advocacy; reframing the perspective on deafness for me. If you could get me there, I would like to take on the challenge of getting the hardest accommodations to get. I feel I could get it. The point I am making is: as long as you get what you need; who cares about qualifications? As for the other deaf people, teach them to be advocates for their selves.

How many coordinators have you had to deal with in a professional capacity in a college or university setting?
Quite several. In several states as well. Mostly universities, and a lot of hospital and courts. I am an interpreter. Just a friendly reminder.

I have had experiences with several coordinators in California and Washington.
Cool.

My experience with with coordinators in general is they ask "some" relevant questions, and make a determination based on what the answers are, their training and experience, and what resources are available. I never said asking some questions was inappropriate.
Alright.

Coordinator A was asking a lot of questions to the point where I wondered if he was actually qualified. He'd ask things I had never heard from any coordinator ever.
Alright, reading this and absorbing it.

As for your comment about finding ways around the problem, I tried. I'd meet with Coordinator A's supervisor. That was no help. I'd meet with the vice president of student affairs several times. Not much help there. I met with the provost too. No help there. The entire administration seems to believe there are no problems with the way they support deaf students. They seem to believe that all the problems I and several other deaf students had experienced with our accommodations were acceptable. I would have to say that my experiences as a deaf student at CWU were far and away the worst in all the schools I had ever been.
That's what I have known for about 2 years now.

By the way, if you think my low opinion of CWU's support towards deaf students is only held by me, you'd be mistaken. There are several professionals in the deaf community who agree with me. Coordinator B, who was a nationally certified ASL interpreter with 20+ years of experience, is one of many who think CWU's program for deaf students is more appropriate for a vocational school than a 4-year university.
Didn't think it was only held by you.

What would I like for CWU to do? I'd like for them to have a deaf program that offers equal access to deaf students in Washington. Equal access can mean many things. One thing it can mean is that the staff have the necessary training and experience, starting with the coordinator and including the interpreters, CART providers, TypeWell transcribers and whatever other forms of accommodations that would be most appropriate for deaf students. Equal access is not happening at CWU for deaf students because those students are assured of getting better accommodations at any 4-year school in this state and even some 2-year schools.
Ok.

This is not about my "grudge" or my failure to find away around problems with my accommodations at CWU or things like that. It is about ensuring that all deaf students in Washington have the most opportunities to further their education should they decide to. It is about equality for deaf students. You'd think deaf students could chose to not go to CWU, but that limits their choices because CWU has unique programs that other schools in this state don't have.
Okay....
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You started this thread as.... "is it appropriate for an administrator to ask questions...." I answered with a resounding yes. Maybe you don't like my answer but it still stands.

I acknowledge that there is a problem - and I did not even talk about that. This thread is about the question you presented in your first post.

Sometimes I think people make things too hard...

BTW I answered in bold in quote.
 
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