Mystery missile fired off CA coast

To me 2 problems. The trail appears too wide and too dense at the point of origin. and The disruption in the trail looks more like that of a burst rather than disintegration by wind. Usually a trail maintains it shape (although it does become wider and less dense) until after the aircraft is out of view. I very well could be wrong but my guess is still missile or rocket.... With what I think is a burst I am thinking rocket. Dunno though......doubt we will ever know.

You're 35,000 feet lower in seeing the horizontal contrail some 100 to 150 miles away and from where you're standing it'd look like a vertical plume. Again, an optical illusion. Because of the distance alone it'd be hard to discern if an object is moving up vertically or moving horizontally toward you.

As for contrails at the "base" part (you can only see so far across the horizon where it would look like the "bottom"):

If the humidity is high (greater than that needed for ice condensation to occur), the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft (See Figures 2 and 3).Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.
http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/nonroad/aviation/contrails.pdf

I guess the atmosphere's humidity was sufficiently high that created the large contrail where at the "base" was larger because of air turbulence created by the airplane or wind differences that helps spread the contrail even wider.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuvFj0GCJnE]YouTube - Airplane contrail arc over Fairfield Iowa[/ame]

The earlier contrail is seen at the end of this video as it follows the flight path of an airplane's contrail overhead toward it's "origination" and because of the horizontal path across the distance (at end of video) it does look like a vertical take off across the horizon but it's not. It's a horizontal flight.
 
Expert says no doubt it was a missile off the California coast - San Francisco conservative | Examiner.com

"While there is nothing at this time that leads the Department of Defense to believe this is a missile launch, the department and other US government agencies with expertise in aviation and space continue to look into the condensation trail seen and reported off the coast of Southern California on Monday evening," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan told Gertz.


Doug Richardson, is the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, the British-published defense industry authority. Jane’s military publications date back to 1898, and are acknowledged for its expertise in the field. Richardson examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt that what some insist was a contrail from a jet was in fact a missile. Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine.


If someone from Jane's said it was a missile, I have absolutely no doubt that it was a missile.
 
rocket/missle/drone/sub fart

What does a sub launch of a rocket and a missle look like? If launched underwater wouldn't it look different from a warship or land launch?
What if it were china?? They have subs and are pissed at obama
 
What does a sub launch of a rocket and a missle look like? If launched underwater wouldn't it look different from a warship or land launch?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl37UZvFsz0]YouTube - Navy - Trident Missile Launch From a Submarine[/ame]
 
Okay, clearly you know what you are talking about. :lol:
The real Doomsday machine:

Dead Hand - Soviet Doomsday Machine

Dead hand the commonly accepted name for a system developed by the former Soviet Union to allow the country to retaliate against a nation aggressor should a nuclear strike destroy or incapacitate the Soviet leadership. Such a strike is known as a nuclear decapitation.

In nuclear strategy, second strike capability is a country's ability to respond to a nuclear attack with an equally devastating counter attack. To have such an ability is considered vital in nuclear deterrence, as otherwise the other side might be tempted to try to win a nuclear war in one massive first strike against the opponent's nuclear forces and command structure.

Prior to the 1980s, most nuclear weapons were delivered by long-range bomber or ICBM. These early systems were considered too inaccurate and/or slow for a first strike. An opponent with effective radar and satellite surveillance could expect at least 30 minutes warning of an attack, making an effective first-strike impossible.

The issue of a possible pre-emptive surprise attack became prominent with the development of highly accurate short-range missile systems in the 1980s. The following American weapons were considered by the Soviets as possible first strike weapon systems:

* Pershing II IRBM - Single 50Kt warhead, 50m CEP* with a 7-minute flight-time, 1,800km range, designed to strike bunkers, air fields, and ICBM silos in Eastern Europe.
* BGM-109G Cruise Missile - Single 10-200Kt warhead, range 2,500km, CEP 30m.
* MX Missile (Peacekeeper) - 10 MIRVed 300Kt warheads, CEP 120m.
* Trident II SLBM - Up to 14 100/475Kt warheads, CEP 90m.

* CEP - circular error probable; the radius within which a weapon aimed at a given point will land with a 50% confidence; for example, a CEP of 150 m indicates that 50% of the time, the weapon will impact within 150 m of the target.

The purpose of Dead Hand (AKA aka Perimetr) was to maintain a second strike capability, by ensuring that the destruction of the Soviet leadership would not prevent the Soviet military from releasing its weapons.

How did it function?

Perimetr was designed to lie semi-dormant until switched on by a high official in a crisis. It would then would then begin monitoring a network of seismic, radiation, and air pressure sensors for signs of nuclear explosions. If it detected a hit Soviet soil, the system would check to see if the communication links to the war room of the Soviet General Staff remained. If they did, the machine would assume officials were still living who could order the counterattack and itself shut down.

But if the line to the General Staff went dead, then Perimeter would infer that apocalypse had arrived. It would immediately transfer launch authority to whoever was manning the system at that moment deep inside a protected bunker—bypassing all normal layers of command authority. At that point, the ability to destroy the world would fall to whoever was on duty.

Once initiated, the counterattack would be controlled by so-called command missiles. Hidden in hardened silos designed to withstand the massive blast and electromagnetic pulses of a nuclear explosion, these missiles would launch and then radio down coded orders to whatever Soviet weapons had survived the first strike. Soaring over the smouldering, radioactive ruins of the motherland, and with all ground communications destroyed, the command missiles would ensure the destruction of the US.

The US did build versions of these technologies, deploying command missiles in what was called the Emergency Rocket Communications System. It also developed seismic and radiation sensors to monitor for nuclear tests or explosions the world over. But the US never combined it all into a system of zombie retaliation, fearing that accidents or a mistake could lead to Armageddon.

It is not known for sure whether Russia continues to use the system, and it is possible that it is still in place.
.:SonicBomb:. - Dead Hand - Soviet Doomsday Machine

:shock:
 
The most troubling issue to me is the fact that our government looks either clueless or deceptive in its response. Whether it's a plane, missile, or swamp gas, the government and our security looks totally lame in the way it's handling things.

Agreed. There wouldn't be such an uproar if they immediately declared it classified.
 
mystery solved.. it's just a plane

The Pentagon and NASA experts have determined that a billowing contrail seen streaking into the skies above Southern California was likely caused by an airliner and not a missile.

Missile Over California: Pentagon, NASA Experts Say Mystery Plume Was Plane

the international authority on missiles and rockets claimed it was a missile or rocket:

Jane's Missiles and Rockets - Precision guided news and analysis


so ... it is still open for debate:

Military Says Missile-Like Object Wasn't Missile - The Early Show - CBS News

But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]."

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.
 
So far, nothing is official. It's just the "experts" speculating.

For all we know, it could had been Superman.
 
Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

All of the contrails you see up there look like smoke.
 
mystery solved.. it's just a plane

The Pentagon and NASA experts have determined that a billowing contrail seen streaking into the skies above Southern California was likely caused by an airliner and not a missile.

Missile Over California: Pentagon, NASA Experts Say Mystery Plume Was Plane

this quote from your article is not good enough to confirm it as aircraft.
"A missile would look like that," said Bowers, whose 27-year career has included stints as chief or lead engineer on such programs as the SR-71 spyplanes turned over to NASA by the Air Force.

"It could potentially have a contrail that shape," he told the AP. "(But) the motion looks a little suspect to me, and my conclusion would be that, yeah, it's most probably an aircraft."
 
YouTube - Airplane contrail arc over Fairfield Iowa

The earlier contrail is seen at the end of this video as it follows the flight path of an airplane's contrail overhead toward it's "origination" and because of the horizontal path across the distance (at end of video) it does look like a vertical take off across the horizon but it's not. It's a horizontal flight.

since you're so convinced that it's an aircraft... where's the pilot? why isn't he in the news, chuckling and explaining his story?

All I got is somebody saying "oh it's from Flight 808" along with a couple of satellite images, flight schedule, and "optical illusion" theory which reeks of lame bullshit.
 
"since you're so convinced that it's an aircraft... where's the pilot? why isn't he in the news, chuckling and explaining his story?"

Because he flies it many many many times and doesn't think it's anything noteworthy. Besides how does he know it's his plane? There are hundreds of planes leaving or landing at several airports.
 
"since you're so convinced that it's an aircraft... where's the pilot? why isn't he in the news, chuckling and explaining his story?"

Because he flies it many many many times and doesn't think it's anything noteworthy. Besides how does he know it's his plane? There are hundreds of planes leaving or landing at several airports.

exactly, so how does the Pentagon know its a plane?

hint: They don't .... they are just speculating which means it has not been confirmed.
 
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