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[Jiro]

Right on. It isn't for one person to decide for everyone else whether they're deaf or not.

she's not deciding it for you. it's how she sees it by her own definition.

Yes I can hear and talk but I am deaf. why? because once I take my HA off, I'm stone-deaf. Deafies here thought I'm HOH cuz I can talk/hear

 

[freckles]

When people say they're deaf, I assume they can hear some, however they need real-time support (ie. interpreters, oral translator, or CART) while sitting through an hour long lecture since it is seldom a deaf person is completely stone deaf.

yeah depending on person I meet. seeing HAs on a person doesn't automatically mean they are profoundly deaf either. different from the person if s/he fluent in ASL or mouths while signing and debats how s/he hates HAs, CI or if no HAs on, s/he's not totally hearing even though if this person can speak well and so on..

Is that really what I said? Until you look at my audiogram, I don't think you should tell me whether I can hear with or without my HAs, and whether I'm deaf or not.

yup...because isn't that what HAs are for? to help you hear better. you hear less without them on, yes? much more less or a little. unless you like HAs as body ornaments.

sorry some people are offended by facts. it shouldn't be just deafie or hearie. if you don't want us to assume you're deaf or not, or hearing or not, or HOH or not exactly, expand! not our problem.

 

[KristinaB]

she's not deciding it for you. it's how she sees it by her own definition.

Yes I can hear and talk but I am deaf. why? because once I take my HA off, I'm stone-deaf. Deafies here thought I'm HOH cuz I can talk/hear

Most people anywhere think I am hearing since I speak and don't always sign. (not quite enough knowledge yet). They are flabbergasted to learn that I am total deaf.

 

[AlleyCat]

sorry some people are offended by facts. it shouldn't be just deafie or hearie. if you don't want us to assume you're deaf or not, or hearing or not, expand! not our problem.

Oh, I'm not offended by facts. Your statements are just opinion.

 

[Jiro]

I go by this simple definition -

Deaf = You hear nothing
Deaf = You hear nothing without HA but can hear with HA/CI

HOH = you can hear without HA but use HA to enhance your hearing

HI = any form of hearing damage including deaf and hoh.

but hey - if you're comfortable with calling yourself HI, HOH, Deaf... cool beano. Talking is not an issue here because deafness does not affect your vocal box... only your ears.

 

[posts from hell]

lol people look at it either literal or culturally..

I look at it culturally... I think the literal meanings are full of shit anyways.

I despise "HOH" with a passion.

 

[Jiro]

I despise "HOH" with a passion.

do explain.

 

[Tousi]

I disagree that "deafness does not affect your vocal box" because it does.

 

[Jiro]

I disagree that "deafness does not affect your vocal box" because it does.

well you can scream, yes? or laugh loudly? or make any noise? Nobody said you have to talk clearly in order to use the vocal box. Talking is not a great indicator of your deaf level.

The more lucidly you can talk, the less "deaf" you are?
same thing with English. the worse your English is, the more deaf you are?

There are late-deaf and born-deaf so it's moot. why complicate it? The issue here is listening. not talking. keep it simple.

 

[posts from hell]

do explain.

lost culture is the best way i put it. i feel sorry for these people.

 

[freckles]

Most people anywhere think I am hearing since I speak and don't always sign. (not quite enough knowledge yet). They are flabbergasted to learn that I am total deaf.

exactly. I NEVER speak well or took speech classes (totally deaf since infant) yet some people assume I'm hearing because I move my mouth while signing with hearies and still wouldn't believe that I'm actually stone deaf.

Oh, I'm not offended by facts. Your statements are just opinion.

oh good, glad I didn't. based on your " " and your reaction to my posts. good. and no, my "opinions" (thoughts) often based on facts and/or statistics; culturally or crapliterally as PFH says, was being factual - see jiro lists pretty much the same? and we have polar different opinions on some.

 

[posts from hell]

exactly. I NEVER speak well or took speech classes (totally deaf since infant) yet some people assume I'm hearing because I move my mouth while signing with hearies and still wouldn't believe that I'm actually stone deaf.

oh good, glad I didn't. based on your " " and your reaction to my posts. good. and no, my "opinions" (thoughts) often based on facts and/or statistics; culturally or crapliterally as PFH says, was being factual - see jiro lists pretty much the same? and we have polar different opinions on some.

are you sure you are mentally impaired?

 

[freckles]

I disagree that "deafness does not affect your vocal box" because it does.

tousi, jiro means if we're deaf, that doesn't make us mute! but yeah, your perspective, we don't use it very much and restore it for our break-down days. LOUD.

are you sure you are mentally impaired?

would you like to decide that, culturally or literally?

 

[posts from hell]

tousi, jiro means if we're deaf, that doesn't make us mute! but yeah, your perspective, we don't use it very much and restore it for our break-down days. LOUD.

would you like to decide that, culturally or literally?

im not deciding that, you seem to know your stuff... so im giving you the opportunity to answer

 

[freckles]

im not deciding that, you seem to know your stuff... so im giving you the opportunity to answer

aw..you're no fun.. well, I guess I'm culturally mental-impaired for today. it's funny how people overeacted to that quote.

however, not literally.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Interesting.

 

[DGirl101]

I disagree that "deafness does not affect your vocal box" because it does.

I don't know about the vocal box but I do know that when I was without ANY sound, my speech was affected by my Deafness.

Family and friends all told me that my speech changed, words were slurred or sounded like I mumbled a lot and I never spoke loud enough for people to hear me.

They really noticed that, because once the CI was activated, they said everything changed.

 

[shel90]

she's not deciding it for you. it's how she sees it by her own definition.

Yes I can hear and talk but I am deaf. why? because once I take my HA off, I'm stone-deaf. Deafies here thought I'm HOH cuz I can talk/hear

Same here..even though I was born with a dB loss of 120

 

[rockdrummer]

so here this goes --

deaf = can hear with HAs, can't without.

deaf = can't hear at all, even with HAs.
unless deaf in only one ear = HOH.

hearing = can hear without HAs, speak well.

unless bad hearing loss in one ear = HOH.
right? why so clueless about my quote ... but thanks anyway.

How about deafness is on a sliding scale from HOH to profound. All are considered deaf. I have seen some "Deafer than thou" types that feel people that are HOH or that are aided be it with HA's or CI's should not be considered deaf. Personally I don't agree with that.

Definition of DEAF
1: lacking or deficient in the sense of hearing
Source: Deaf - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[posts from hell]

How about deafness is on a sliding scale from HOH to profound. All are considered deaf. I have seen some "Deafer than thou" types that feel people that are HOH or that are aided be it with HA's or CI's should not be considered deaf. Personally I don't agree with that.

There are terms to define the hearing losses.

And there is a reason why there is a movement to "redefine deaf" ... because people constantly refer to the dictionary meaning of "deaf" which is full of medical views.